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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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On February 04 2014 08:45 suki wrote: Apparently. also you have to take on a 'spam 40 posts a cycle' meta. How does this make you feel? motivated. And its not like there is anything from stopping me from literally posting 1 2 3 4 ... ... ... etc 40 if I were actually scared koshi (or anyone else) would follow through with it. Is there anyone who is legitimately advocating for letting people lurk? I understand that its largely inevitable (hell, im one of the poster children) but we should still be making a reasonable effort to pressure people and get thoughts when they are around. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline". How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible. How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now? | ||
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On February 05 2014 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway everyone should lynch hopeless because he started this game significantly differently from the past 2 town games he has been in. playing different. must be scum. Oats, forgive me when I scoff at that post. (I havent really read shit, starting now) | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:18 jaybrundage wrote: Wow so your actively lurking instead of posting something with content. ##Vote Hopeless1der im still reading. go away. | ||
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[excuses] I got sidetracked watching the creationism debate. Sue me. [/excuses] | ||
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I don't see how my answer is in any way going to be alignment indicative for this game. No comment. | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:53 Alakaslam wrote: As scum I am 10x more sensible then as town. Peese out till I wake back up I'm working nights Oats, analyze this post and tell me what alignment slam is. | ||
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I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through. I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference. @Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that? | ||
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As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted? | ||
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On February 05 2014 15:18 suki wrote: On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good. kk first thing when I wake up. @cakeman, you were reluctant to vote jay earlier (when you were saying koshi is scum). What changed? | ||
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tl;dr 1) Initial read on Koshi is scum. Diverts into hypothetical "koshi laid a trap". Doesnt address actual read on Koshi. Read changes to Koshi is town for no apparent reason. 2) Terrible progression of his scumread on me. Blatantly sheeping thread sentiment and then pushes my lynch with vague statements. When pressed to expand on his reads he dodges for a fair amount of time then finally comes up with something that in my opinion should not give someone such a strong scumread. I'd call it a forced case onto an easy mislynch target. Full Case spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like koshi's policy shit though, it makes it easy for scum just to avoid it and lynch a townie that doesnt give a shit Koshi's policy is bad On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy. Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone. Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. There's 2 things here: 1) Koshi's policy is so bad that he is scum 2) Koshi's badness was actually bait FOR the scumteam (i.e. Koshi totes town) Now it seems that 1 follows 2 because Koshi didn't follow up on his bad policy. Because of his "shitposting" after his first post. There's a bunch of no-context one-liners in Oats' filter where he goes back and forth with Koshi. This starts on Page 12, the majority is on page 13. On February 04 2014 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote: 1 good post doesnt make the rest not shitposts. Do you have a conclusion about what people said about your policy? Since you apparently did it to create discussion, you must have some kind of idea what you think about the people that commented on it either positively or negatively. Its important to realize that this is in the context of responding to Koshi saying his policy was not useless. This isnt a contradiction to earlier yet. On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. Okay now I think Oats has stuffed his foot into his mouth. Read his emphasis here and compare with the second post I've quoted where Oats explicitly states that Koshi STARTED off bad and continued to post poorly. [b]Oats has completely flipflopped on story where his initial read on Koshi goes from A - "Koshi is/was scum" into B - "Koshi was laying a trap" On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one.  I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play. Oats is right, he never said the policy was good. He also never really came around to the fact that Koshi was likely town either. How did Oats arrive at the conclusion that Koshi was town?] I don't see the progression in his reads. I see him commenting on his initial reactions a lot and saying how he thought Koshi could be laying a trap at first. HOWEVER, since Koshi didn't follow up, he was convinced Koshi was scum. --->Where did this reasoning change or go away? Oats is content to just bandwagon on to me because thread sentiment will let him. He doesn't need to stick his neck out. I wouldn't mind the switch onto me except that he avoids fleshing out his read of Koshi at the same time. Suki's case / Oats' internal response: Oatsmaster wrote: This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point. I believe I've sufficiently rehashed this point above where I show that Oats is stuck in his hypothetical "Koshi is town" story and doesnt address his ACTUAL read on Koshi ever. When he unvoted Koshi it was 1-line of "oh I never said that, you guys are silly" type of feeling. Totally non-committal scum posting. Oatsmaster wrote: I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.] Balla has already made the point that Oats' fishing for reads was scummy. Joking after the fact doesn't change that. This point in suki's case is bad. The context around this point is good evidence for why Oats is scum. Oatsmaster wrote: So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case. Okay, so at this point I believe (and correct me if I am wrong please) Oats has established a read of "Koshi is town and was laying a trap". Does Oats have a townread on Koshi? (at the time of his unvote) If so, why? Finally there is Oats' actual push against me: First, with absolutely no mention of me before this point On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch. Woah there champ. Suki pointed out how this was a little over the top. There is no context, no explanation, just "LYNCH THIS FUCKER!!11!" On February 05 2014 08:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote Koshi ##Vote hopeless I never said Koshi's policy to catch scum was a good one. I dont get it though, the cases against me just seem to be summarizing my play. Still no actual reasons. On February 05 2014 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway everyone should lynch hopeless because he started this game significantly differently from the past 2 town games he has been in. In this post, Oats eventually and after repeated prodding from Balla refers to my entrance meta of being light hearted and joking around early on. I dont think that is a good enough reason to call me out for being a "useless piece of shit". And it takes him sooo loonnnggg to make this point, Balla was pulling teeth. On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him? Oats' accuses Balla of Chainsawing me. I disagree. Draw your conclusions based on if you think this is a reasonable point for Oats to argue OR if it seems like he is stalling and trying to pawn off the responsibility to someone else. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On February 06 2014 00:44 Koshi wrote: What is your read on me? On February 05 2014 08:18 Koshi wrote: Because I do not get this worked up about a read as scum. I dont post this much as scum. I dont react this fast as scum. It is literally impossible for me to be scum atm. The part about him being scum.is.because he is not trying to read me. In bed atm sleeping. rings pretty true to me after SMB. On February 05 2014 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: what. Balla called cake townie, I called him null, pretty much everyone in the game thinks hopeless should die so there is that.... I asked LM the questions first and I think he is town. This is blatant sheeping Oats. Asking beforehand makes it even more blatant. You can't deny the statement that your filter shows you sheeping thread sentiment. Furthermore, my point is more related to how you approached pushing my lynch. Oats can you explain your read on Koshi based on his posting at the time of your unvote? | ||
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