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justanothertownie
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justanothertownie
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On November 30 2013 00:19 supersoft wrote: 4 am will be impossible for me to be around though... Same here. | ||
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On December 01 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can we have 6 votes on Graves aswell and then 6 on Nocturne? Then everyone else can vote for those three however they like. That would be my bans. Also i am picking [1][1]. I prolly won't get the first spot as Mocsta is apparently afk and said before the game he will do the same, but w/e. I suggest the following based on my townreads: [2][1] geript [3][1] OdinOfPergo [4][1] supersoft [5][1] JonnyLaw [6][1] Oatsmaster That's my plan. Everyone else can pick w/e, because they are not town enough or scummy. VE, Oats and Kurumi have dedicated the game into "let's bitch on rayn" but i don't care, let them do whatever they want. ^^ Good catch on Rean Oats, i didn't realize he was not new, as he hasn't played in a long time. Rayn, your plan makes sense but I am not convinced by your townreads to be honest. And even if guys like oats are town I would like other town players to get the really good roles (no offense). Will have to think about that some more. On December 01 2013 02:36 Kurumi wrote: We don't give out our pick numbers until we know the draft results. It worked last PYP and I am going to do same here. Can you explain that to me? I don't understand the plan. On December 01 2013 03:04 Kurumi wrote: I am going to find the fastest way to kill rayn, just throwing it out. He's aggressive, being all around dick for the sake of being a dick and tries to shove his "great plan" based on his own reads on all of town. I might even pick 1,1 just out of spite. This is really anti town. Rayn is always a dick and especially so as town. And this is very true btw.: On November 30 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you have not read anything. check. The problem with assigning vets to top picks is that we should assign townies to top picks. Anything else is idiotic. On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum. I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan. Really? Risen? Come on... So, I think Yorick should definitely be banned. Graves is an ok choice too (because low placed scum can almost safely pick him - no town would take this role). I liked Migs post. My vote for the third would be Evelynn. Any problems with that? | ||
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On December 01 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh yeah i think there is a fair chance that JAT is scum. He made a MQ post, he has never done so as town. That's like picking up posts and calling them out without saying if someone is scum or not, just "good post", "bad post", "bad post" etc etc. Wow, 1) I make posts like this all the time (what does MQ stand for btw?). 2) The goal today (at least for me) is to find the right heroes to ban. I am not primarily looking for scum before we can lynch someone. So, since Evelynn seems unrealistic - Urgot is fine too. ##Unvote ##Vote: Urgot | ||
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On December 02 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: So rayn;'s plan, claim 1/1, then dont pick 1/1 and YOU KNOW that town is gonna pick 1/1 but scum wants roles more than town so they aint gonna pick 1/1 Why would rayn not pick 1/1? Doesn't make any sense to me. Also how would he KNOW town would pick it? | ||
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On December 02 2013 03:00 supersoft wrote: I don't get this either. But I don't see a scummotivation behind this... Maybe there isn't. But if Rayn is town scum might take him down with one of their members. | ||
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On December 02 2013 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote: You are telling me you never entertained the idea of picking 1/1? Yes. | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:54 geript wrote: not to mention that we'd also have to 100% have people committed to "check if it's taken" picks. People won't do that. Why? I thought people just have to claim what they took. Obviously telling everyone what to pick won't work. I think this mass claim is a very good idea. The high ranked players have to start it though and time is running out. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On December 02 2013 09:03 austinmcc wrote: Mass claiming requires everybody to cooperate, and has no way of determining whether mafia didn't cooperate with something or stubborn/fun-seeking townies didn't. Look at crap like people always wanting inventor, or wanting a specific champ this time around (there have been a couple "i'm picking my favorite champs"). Also, it's close to deadline and you won't get everyone to post/agree. I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan. As long as everyone claims townies can't fuck other townies over because who is first to pick a champion gets it and everyone after that would be an idiot to do so too. Idiots get VT I see no problem with that. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos. Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia. Well, so how about people just claim what champion they pick? No need to reveal hidden abilities afterwards. I don't understand the problem. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote: I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment. However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt Wait. Did you just say claiming now is stupid but claiming when the roles are out is necessary? THIS is really stupid. Now it is good to claim because the more people claim the more roles town gets. Scum might get more too but there are less of them. Claiming afterwards does not help in this regard but the points raised against claiming are still valid. Did I misunderstand you? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm pretty sure you won't get that role from your spot. But you can always try! His spot is quite decent. | ||
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Me too. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would not call #19 "quite decent spot". ^^ Mixed it up with the signup list. Doh. | ||
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On December 02 2013 10:24 LSB wrote: I am very confused by this post. I think we should role claim after we get our roles. I haven't commented about claiming before we get our roles Hm, ok. I thought you were against claiming our picks right now. Still think claiming roles when they are out makes way less sense. | ||
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justanothertownie
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I got a role. A boring one. So don't give me some VT item. My numbers were [17][20] in case there are still people wondering about that (no clue how this is of any relevance tbh). I am against massclaiming right now and still think LSBs posts before deadline were really weird. To Mocsta: I did not assume rayn was town. He just made sense then. NOW I am assuming he is town for the time being because he clearly is trying to get town on the right track. I will get some sleep now because I did not do so at all last night - will be back in the evening. | ||
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On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote: Responses to things pointed at me On not banning mafia roles: Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role. Sure it makes things harder for the town, but if the mafia dares try to use their role, they are painting an easy target on their back. Honestly I'd be okay with not having one or two flips for a guaranteed mafia kill. It would have been really easy to point out who took what role after a mass role claim. However I wasn't here for the ban phase and that is already over so I'm not going to comment on that Of course I'm going to pick that role when I (as well as BC) singled it out as a power role. I am surprised that I actually got the role even though I am dead last pick. Speaking of Which What's up with this Bum? I would like a roleclaim please (Bumatlarge) as well as what you picked if you were VT. Or you can claim you went Tryndamere and we can both confirm our roles tonight. I don't understand supersoft's argument so I won't respond to it unless someone can explain it to me. Reposting the claim list I admit that I skimmed so I might have missed additional claims. Can someone tell me if there are any discrepancies Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Big Bad Wolf VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] Mig [12][1] - Urgot? JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba Fiora? Kenpachi[8][15] - VT? Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna? justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere So you picked Tryndamere because it is a power role? I would have bought it if you said you picked it to confirm it is in the game but you are dead last on the draft list so besides that there is absolutely no reason to pick a scummy role. On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote: Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible. ##Vote: Bumatlarge Where is the scum motivation for what Bum did? I don't see it. If his claim to pick Tryndamere made people look elsewhere that's pro town in my eyes. On December 03 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I dont like passive so much this game we have no reliable means of clearing lurkers. Well we have a shitton of roles. Even VTs can do damage. On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote: During the game I played with you I thought you were towns tons of times. Reads can change thru out the game. But you played scum very well and proceeded to trick everyone and win the game as scum. I thought i had played another game with you but i was wrong. Regardless my whole post was to say you play a very good scum and I if you play townie-like there is a still a very strong chance you can be scum. So im gonna FOS you like a sonovabitch. Also you have me a scum read I read later on. Please Marv tell me why I would create a terrible case on you a townie vet. As mafia and draw my self into the spotlight. It wasn't even a case ffs. It was a gut read. You say Im bullshitting. But how is a gut read bullshitting it just is a feeling. If your not dead in a day or 2 your prolly mafia regardless of how your playing. Roffles I have never played with you. Your reasoning is shit because I don't play town how others would or optimally. I am unique or as some would say lynchbait. Oh no you say you shouldn't call your self lynchbait thats anti town. Well actually referring to my self as lynch bait is a null tell. I do it as scum or town. If you wanna make a case on me go read some of my games and understand my meta. Cause if you use simple basic guidelines for town, your gonna mislynch a townie. My reasoning for going after Marv is because I played a good scum game and I'm very wary of him cause he won the game for his team. Would scum go after a Vet like Marv let alone my scum play. I basically lurk super hard as scum I wouldn't go after someone like Marv because that would draw unwanted attention. Regardless read my meta or drop the case, cause its shit. Yeah, tell us another time how great marv is and how much you fear his scumplay (what's the point?). You still did not give a single reason for a scumread on him. We don't lynch people because they are good as scum. On December 03 2013 00:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: I feel it. I know people aren't looking at him because he is usually aggressive (apparently), but his filter feels like just aggression to a whole bunch of different people. Then there are a few odd things: Two directly contradictory posts. There hasn't been a whole lot to look at since. ------------------------------------- Rayn - I still don't understand where half of your reads are coming from. Like, I see a little brief reasoning for some of them, but you're seeing things I'm not or you're drawing from past experiences and using gut reads off of very little. There are things I disagree with in your townie lists. I put my target on you D0 because of this. That said, however - you have kept activity up and you seem to be working hard to do things right. I'm willing to acknowledge when I may have made a mistake. ------------------------------------- Concerning gtr - I agree with most of the negative points made against him. However, I have also been in the position of really wanting a power role, and being bummed and unmotivated when I didn't get one. I can especially see this as the case when there are so many cool powers to grab. I would want to see/hear more from him in general. ------------------------------------- Case against me - It's a fine case I guess, but it's wrong. I explained my early pinpointing of rayn above. You focus on my aggression, but don't blink at geript's? Again, maybe this is because he is known for it, but his was more widespread. Mine was really just focused at rayn. I did not change my opinion of speculating roles. Roffles implied that we really put in some time and nail down all the champs' extra abilities to try and strategize around it. I was pointing out that the DT roles were likely not all banned out and was considering some of the possible ones that could still be in - I thought it was relevant because scum was making an opaque push at getting rid of DTs. ------------------------------------ sorry I guess... I've been scum like, 2 or 3 times ever. Could you explain in more detail with which townread of rayn you disagree? All you are saying is "you can't have that much townreads". I will be around for a few hours so if anyone wants to discuss anything go ahead. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. | ||
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