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austinmcc
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B: Nobody will buy it. A: Let's make normal nasus look INCREDIBLY shitty, his portrait, his model, all his kills, just really make them all blueish purple and hideous. B: Okay. INFERNAL NASUS SELLING LIKE HOTSCAKES. | ||
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(Remember, the abilities listed here are roughly half of what each Champion is capable of!) I took this to mean that not ALL champion abilities are known.So I think we're safe banning out abilities that are ALWAYS anti-town, but we can't rely on banning out a certain thing meaning that it cannot exist. | ||
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##vote: Yorick Plus NOBODY has fun playing against yorick. | ||
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Karthus is very very likely to stay a stump or a ghost for a cycle after dying. Kinda nice. Soraka maybe has a large heal/all heal? Ahri might have dmg or a forceable redirect (charm). The redirect wouldn't fit hider though. A lot of champs have item/trap checking abilities, but we don't see TONS of items/traps. Maybe teemo can set shrooms on players and they blow up if someone crosses that person on the player list. The only other likely thing for him is the ability to blind/RB a player. Stuff like that. Also, On December 01 2013 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Are we...on opposite teams? Or just fighting for NUMBAH WAN ICHIBAN ADC this game?Austinmcc is my rival acd. Feedcarry time. | ||
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I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan. | ||
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JAT 'n' odin get townie points for asking LSB why bum not "following his plan" is super duper scummy. I don't get why saying you're going to pick some SUPER OBVIOUS role with KP and then not taking it makes you scum. [spoiler] On December 03 2013 07:11 justanothertownie wrote: So you picked Tryndamere because it is a power role? I would have bought it if you said you picked it to confirm it is in the game but you are dead last on the draft list so besides that there is absolutely no reason to pick a scummy role. Where is the scum motivation for what Bum did? I don't see it. If his claim to pick Tryndamere made people look elsewhere that's pro town in my eyes. On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't? LSB I don't want to lynch because he poosh his stuff way way way too hard. + Show Spoiler [Also his confirmation plan is sillypants] + However, his magical "I'ma spin x distance and that will confirm me yayayayaya" is bad idea because (1) nobody cares if he's tryndamere or not (sry, ain't nobody sitting going "HOLY BALLS LSB IS WAY TOO FOCUSED ON TRYNDAMERE AND SAYING HE'S TRYNDAMERE. I BET LIKE HELL HE REALLY ISN'T TRYNDAMERE, I'M TOTES GONNA CATCH HIM WHEN HE CAN'T DO TRYND STUFF); and (2) nothing confirms you as tryndamere (other known roles let people move around the list, other unknown roles probably do as well, and we have no way of confirming how much kp spinning slash actually deals. Therefore, moving and doing some damage just means you have a role that moves and does damage, probably trynd, possibly other things, but again nobody cares and don't spin on townies) Sand looks very townie just based on this - + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote: Picks out a read, gives a thoughtful reason why he disagrees, and I agree with his assessment of Kha'zix being a decently high mafia pick if they go for it. Mainly though it's just coming by reads from thinking about the game as a whole.I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. i THINK this post is townie from bum, like...bum can't be scum because of it, but someone needs to argue with me On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: Asking for a partial partial claim (VTs should claim but only this kind of VT) feels like someone who is actually thinking about why he does/doesn't want people to claim. Also, it seems like PYP games often catch some mafia by hunting down a missing role above a VT. Given that this usually works in town's favor from what I remember, I think this post is town. Yar? I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. Don't want to lynch bum. This post is very townie-minded. Even if the rest of his filter is poopy, this keeps information hidden from scum - On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate. | ||
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I don't think bum is mafia. That post of his on VTs too town. I'd love to lynch rean. Rean's BttB filter has ... real posts in it. Thoughts, reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&user=Rean His filter this game does not have real posts. There are also...strange things: On December 01 2013 05:42 Rean wrote: (Put aside that this post is made while he wants graves to get banned, but has his vote on yorick, who is DEFINITELY GONNA GET BANNED. But he doesn't move a vote off yorick to try and get graves, the guy he's saying should be banned, definitely banned)If we don't ban Graves all investigations might aswell be useless because they could just be framed. KP roles are not good in the hands of scum either but there's more important bans to be made (Graves/Yorick) Says On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote: but hasn't said anything about ANYONE townie or scummy, despite his game plan being to find a townie and sheep em.I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game. ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep. There's just no interaction from today to go off of, despite him saying his goal is to find a townie. I was super duper inactive for the banning stuff, have not read, but out of filters I've seen, his banning phase looks...very funky. It's not just a lack of planning, it's the fact that he says KP roles are bad for mafia and the fact that he really wants graves banned, instead of someone (i dunno who else was up for discussion), and as best I can tell he keeps his vote on Yorick the whole time, who is 100% getting banned, and never bothers to back up his ban graves ban graves schtick with a vote to help ban graves, that could easily be spared off the yorick ban. MZ in another post. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, that's fine. I really hated that he went through post after post after post to argue about your alignment, how many games you've played together, all these things you do as town and why you're town, then also dropped: Yes, but he usually follows it up with in-depth stuff about other players. His push on gtsrs is the only thing I remember outside of his shitfight with Mocsta.  On December 02 2013 17:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Post was just out of place. All these other VE posts about how he's the magical VE-whisperer, and then a post count analysis on D1 ish in a game with a long pregame and just completely ignoring other games. I dunno, this post smelled. Understanding VE 101 by MZ So I have a pretty lengthy history with mislynching VE. As a result I believe I am very good at reading him and am willing to make strong reads based off what I see Let’s go over VE this game. In the first 5 hours he makes 15 posts. They are one liners which don’t do much but let you know he’s following the game and thinking about it. By comparison, it takes VE 3 days to reach 15 posts in the game rayn linked. In the first 5 hours VE makes exactly 1 post. They have the same tone but they lack the same carefree nature that VE’s posts when he’s town have. These 15 posts constitute my early game read on VE and it only got stronger from there. K can we get off my dick now? This shit is a little old especially since we all agree I am right. MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior.I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role. But let's leave gut feelings aside for now and get to some actual scum hunting. Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. Since gtrsrs looks like he's headed for a modkill might as well put my vote somewhere useful ##Unvote ##Vote: LSB On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues. On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role. On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you drunk? Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours. On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB For the love of all that is town Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting On December 03 2013 12:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You said it yourself odin, LSB's actions this game have appeared scum motivated. On December 03 2013 13:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is complete fearmongering and speculation. However: (1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over. (2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever. It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do. | ||
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DELETE THAT BIT. REST IS STILL RELEVANT. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:39 geript wrote: Do you mean Demon's Run D2 or whatever, where I was entirely absent and came in only to vote with made up reasoning based on which wagon I liked?Why does this surge in activity remind me of PTP? Probably cuz I was mostly absent today. Don't believe there was a surge in that game though. You can also check plenty of my town games for relatively absent D1s (Bureaucracy, called out for it in a couple others), and at least one relatively absent D1 into swoosh of activity (Liquid City) | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Nono. He was on my list of people to look into as I was catching up. When I filtered him, his filter looks not great to me except that the people he's calling mafia are people I like other people to call mafia.Austin that statement was so weird...why would you consider lynching someone if you agree with his targets? Who cares if they flip town, if you agree with his targets why would them flipping town change your read on Roffles? My agreement is ... important to me for today, but really it's that if they flip red, he's calling out mafioso on D1, unlikely to be mafia. If they flip town, whether I liked his reads or no, the only thing that I really liked in his filter were reads that turned out to be on townies. I can be wrong. Sometimes. Everyone can be wrong. But if they flip green/blue then all we had in common was that we would have made similar mislynches, and that feels....less good than both making similar scum lynches. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:43 Rean wrote: Yar.Austin, can I ask you something?  | ||
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