EPTI'm just here to lynch Wave.
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Are you using a particular Mafia setup (e.g. C9++) or can we expect Drunk Mason Paranoid Gun Owner Day Vigilante Lovers with Bulletproof? | ||
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I'm expecting everything except a setup where everyone is a Serial Killer. | ||
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Wave is obviously scum. I know this because he's Wave and he's terrible at League of Legends. We should therefore lynch Wave. + Show Spoiler + <3 Wave | ||
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That was my way of saying, "Holy crap the game has started without me. I'm alive, but busy at the moment. HI WAVE!" Seriously I'm still in the middle of a wedding planning meeting with the future in-laws and if anyone asks me why I'm typing super fast I won't have a decent excuse. | ||
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On October 28 2013 11:50 Promethelax wrote: So I get that this is a theme game but everyone is just trying to get their powers charged up. Allow me to say: STOP! unless you have a town read on someone don't power them up. For serious. Why should we help scum this early in the game? Yer all dumb. Lets treat this like a normal game for a little while, get some scum reads and do this right. Random powering up of other people is, in my opinion, policy lynchable, discuss. This was honestly bothering me as well. People have been throwing hashtags left and right without a thought or care as to the consequences, and up until this post the only person who thought twice about it was Pandain (and even then only in the case of raynpelikoneet). It's not that Koshi, [UoN]Sentinel, marvellosity, or Oatsmaster are particularly suspicious at the moment, but it's pretty silly to just blindly power them up. It's also mildly irresponsible of them to immediately reveal that they have potentially useful powers, though at this point I expect everyone has something and it's likely not all powers are created equal. Based on the hashtags, it's pretty obvious that the powers are connected to their given celebrities. Someone a little more clever than I am and more experienced in mafia could probably make reasonably accurate guesses as to what their powers do My best guess is Refudiate (Sarah Palin) is going to be some form of role block. | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:55 Promethelax wrote: Seuss, no more role fishing without purpose. What do you think about oats and why? Rayn, I'll take you at your word that your power usage isn't alignment indicative at the moment. I'm sure you can figure out what I was getting at. I still like pandain for the moment based on his try Harding. I do t have meta on him so I get to read him on his play, a nice early try hard adds so e green points for now. Cotton candy, if you are so anxious to type why not say something useful. Early reads? Sorry, I was just really surprised at how much people were throwing on the table day 1. It's kinda like all the major town roles soft-claimed in a giant explosion of nonsense. Normally this would be a stupid thing to do, but then this game setup is pretty wonky. Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is. So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:12 Promethelax wrote: Oats communicates poorly. That's his thing. Okay so how about Rayn? What do you think of him and why? I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there. In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before. So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote: I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. I... I think you're talking to me here (I the resting seus, what does it mean?). It's really hard to read marvellosity at the moment because all he's done so far is power someone else up, ask people to twerk him, and then ask people not to twerk him. He's a part of the whole powersplosion mess, which I don't like, but there just isn't enough at the moment to get a good read on him. On October 28 2013 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you elaborate on how, at this point of the game, this makes anyone scum? What am i supposed to explain in my posts? Some non-existent reads with little justification? Or what? If you don't understand my thought process you should probably ask me about it. Okay. I didn't say it made you scum, just that I got a slight scum read. It's not like I went "QED rayn scum" and slammed a vote in your face. Your post that most stood out to me was this one: On October 28 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea if anyone here is mafia yet. How exactly am i buddying marv? And how do you even know i used a power on him? I'll be honest and say this could be a perfectly reasonable position, and you could argue that Pandain might be trying to trap you, but it's still a short answer that doesn't say anything. The second question is also pretty bleh. It's obvious to any observer that you used a power on marvellosity and immediately unused it. Up until this point you didn't even try and pan it off as anything other than an "oops", and suddenly you're being all coy about it. Questioning basic assumptions isn't the scummiest thing in the world, but in this case you just looked flippant and shady. I'd be interested to hear more on that point. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow wow wow buddy. I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl. Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers. Well he asked you a specific question with specific conditions attached. Those sorts of questions can get you stuck in the assumptions of the person who asked it, and sometimes get you in trouble. That's not necessarily what he was trying to do, but I brought it up because it's a reasonable possibility. I don't know how you can look at these posts and think anything other than "rayn used a power": On October 28 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Delegate marvellosity Because i am the fucking Baws! On October 28 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh and fuck. FUCK! Undelegate marvellosity and fuck me.. :E On October 28 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Undelegate marvellosity On October 28 2013 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: You will know. You will also know that i am an idiot and fucked up. :E On October 28 2013 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a reason why i used my power and as i said i fucked up somehow (you do not need to know how). Pandain is making assumptions that are based on absolutely nothing because he has no idea what my power is and he has no idea why i used my power on who i used it on. It's a fair point to say that Pandain doesn't 100% know for absolute certain you actually used a power, and even if he does he has no way to know what it did. That doesn't make your question/response any less evasive. I mean, you'd have to be one hell of a liar to pull a prank that convincing. | ||
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On October 28 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote: You see this followup doesn't make sense. If Seuss is surprised/disappointed at how people were coming out and claiming asap, why then exacerbate the situation by making multiple comments with relation to guessing what these roles and powers were? If you're concerened about people claiming early, why then guess at powers and even ask other people to guess at powers? Boo. I'm an analyst. At the heart of my approach to mafia is finding all the puzzle pieces and putting them together. You can go back to the recent newbie mini mafia game and look through my coach QT with WaveOfShadow and see that it's exactly what I was doing there as well. When I'm given information I try to make sense of it and fit it into the puzzle. Perhaps it was a little egotistical of me, but the purpose of my post was largely admonishment. I wasn't asking others to guess at powers, but pointing out that revealing powers for no reason was stupid because people could guess at them. A bunch of people pulled out their powers immediately, several of whom (including you!) had to backtrack because apparently now wasn't the appropriate or best time for it. That, and the flurry of thoughtless power ups, is what got me in a tizzy. You've let the mafia know you have powers at a point in the game where you apparently don't even want to use them. I don't see how that's good town play. I wouldn't be so mad/confused if I knew you all had good reasons for bringing out your powers, and if I could be certain all of the powers coming into play are town powers. | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:34 marvellosity wrote: I have powers to use night 1 that I can only use with people's cooperation on Day 1. Your 'admonishment' is totally out of place when you do not know the circumstances with which people are talking about their roles. Given that it was made *extremely* obvious by how people posted in the thread that their roles required the cooperation of other people to work (my twerk, sentinel, prome, one or two others i forget probably), your entire angle is totally out of place. I can also tell you free of charge that you can't possibly hope to guess what my powers are based on what I've asked people to type or what people can probably guess my role name is. But no, don't consider this, just criticise... Like, your last sentence... What's the alternative? If both town and mafia need cooperation to use their powers, then they're going to try to achieve said cooperation. Bitching about it is ridiculous. Sorry for bitching. You have to keep in mind that I don't know what you know. I don't know how your power works beyond requiring cooperation. So when you come into the thread asking people to twerk for you, and then randomly ask people to stop, it looks like you're second guessing yourself. So if you're getting cooperation to use your power night 1 then that's reasonable. I thought you had the sudden epiphany that you didn't want to use your power today, which has a lot to do with why I was frustrated with you. Since my opinion is apparently in the minority I'll drop the subject and move on to hunting scum, but I thought I'd explain my thought process to you rather than just letting your inquiries remain unresolved. | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai marv. I can talk about Prome for just a little bit atm if you'd like, but I'm nor sure how long I'll be around so we won't be able to pick each other's brains as per usual. What exactly were you saving up regarding your townread of him to tell me? Oh and regarding Seuss (monte it's so weird to call you that) he seems pretty town to me. Like he said I coached him and his behaviour falls pretty in line with his last newbie, as well as what you determined to be him rolefishing. I give him the WaveofShadow newbie stamp of approval for now, though I would really like to hear some reads from him, as I know he is pretty capable of good analysis with way less to work with than has been posted in this thread. Yay stamp of approval. Now that I'm not distracted by marv here are my current thoughts. Promethelax: Probably town. When I, an unknown entity, entered the thread his first response was to solicit my opinion in a neutral way, and keep drawing more information from me regarding my mindset. This was good, pro-town play, as it lets him and everyone else get the chance to form a read on me. In general I'd call him inquisitive, he likes poking where there's gaps in information. He's been a bit more confrontational with some of the other posters, but confrontational isn't inherently anti-town. Without him we'd probably know a lot less right now. I can get why people would find his "I can't meta Pandain" and apparent lack of scum reads concerning, but on the whole I think he's clearly town. strongandbig: No idea, but unless he starts posting a crapton before the voting deadline I think we're better off pursuing someone else. We stand to learn absolutely nothing by lynching him, though applying pressure might help loosen his tongue. Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like. You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:32 Promethelax wrote: Suess. I consolidated all my scum reads, and the reasons for them in one post. So yeah. Read the thread. In fact the only reason for you to think about SnB would be the post in which I mention him as a possible scum read since litterally no one else has mentioned him. So you know I posted that post. What gives? I mentioned strongandbig previously as well, before you did in fact. He was still on my mind and since people asked for my reads I included it. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:38 Koshi wrote: Then do ##Update Koshi What is holding you back? As a matter of principle I'm holding off on powering anyone up, despite marv's admonishing me. You also are pretty light on your posts, so while I think you're town now that may change and I don't want to make a snap decision I'll regret later. | ||
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