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On September 27 2013 05:48 VisceraEyes wrote: God damn this stinks of insincerity and contrivance. But whatever I'll deal with you later sir. then what are you dealing with now | ||
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i read some pages looks like bh rng'd koshi? | ||
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On September 28 2013 03:18 Blazinghand wrote: And if you think I'm trying to push an RNG lynch you really don't understand what I've been saying about it these past pages at all. The point is, people who like an RNG lynch might just be trying not to contribute or whatever. So we ACTUALLY RNG a person, and now it's not "RNG lynch", it's "RNG Koshi lynch" and people have to actually take stances. okay so i think that this is sort of true, but (one) point of random lynch is that random lynch does a better job of finding scum than the collective analysis of the town looking at day 1 filters. if that's what you're getting at then everyone should just vote koshi completely regardless of the value of his filter. however, if you're getting at the "scum don't like random lynch because they are afraid it will decrease their ability to control the lynch and keep it from landing on them" then you can only get the effects of that from proposing a random lynch without specifying a target and getting people to agree before they know what the target is. so what you're doing here is neither of those? | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote: Given this, I really don't understand this: You wouldn't be asking this question unless you thought there was something fishy about yamato's townread on me. But because what I'm saying makes sense, according to yourself, I would think that grounds enough for thinking I'm town. Do you think yamato should have further reservations? Do you think it's suspicious that he doesn't? i dont like this post. rayn clearly indicated that palmar making sense was not alignment indicative. but palmar is trying to twist/recast that reasoning into rayn having had a townread on him. either intentional, in which case scummy, or unintentional, in which case this really doesn't fit with the brooks-no-nonsense-or-illogicalness palmar we know and love. then there's another thing. Palmar is voting for yamato right now, but he's made cases for why at least two other people (grack and hiro) are actively scummy. (his "pattern finding"). whereas he's said pretty much nothing about yamato. what's the point of putting emphasis on pattern finding if you're not going to actually use it to kill scum. Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it: On September 28 2013 00:05 Palmar wrote: Whatever. Re: WoS case. Did you unlearn how to make and push cases since we last played together? If you throw a random vote with little reasoning or an unconvincing case behind it in the middle of something else going on, it's so pointless you might as well not do it. And I didn't say you were scum. I said you were inconsistent. This could be due to numerous other reasons, bad, lazy, don't care etc. Are you scum? On September 28 2013 00:44 Palmar wrote: Oh VE is back, sweet, I don't have to do anything then. We killing yamato? I'm in. ##Unvote ##Vote yamato77 And the last thing: On September 27 2013 05:24 Palmar wrote: I'm member of one of the mafia teams. I'm requesting one person from the other team PM me, or if that's not allowed, just claim in the thread so we can work together. Who else thinks it's weird that palmar posted this, then didn't say anything in terms of analysis of what came out of it? Like, someone even asked him to say something about vayne based on it, and he didn't mention it at all. My impression of palmar from his opening shenanigans in other games is that he likes to get something from them. When he proposes a random lynch or other stupid policy, he has a very specific set of goals in mind as town for information he wants to get from the shenanigans and peoples' reactions to them. This game, I don't see that. Yes, I do think palmar is cocky enough to claim scum as scum. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: BH lied - he's always been in favor of a Koshi lynch and now that he himself has implemented it (fairly, as he's attested) he's backing off of it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi I can't wait to see some actual content from the guy - it will be interesting to see how his lies intertwine. why does this make you vote koshi instead of bh | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you are totally right in this post. On the other hand, we don't need to lynch Palmar on D1, even if he is scum. He can net us more scum, and the other scumteam needs to shoot him if me make him do so. :D That's basically what i am trying to do. um wat you think he's scum but you don't want to kill him? .... | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you have some sort of reason for thinking this? Because it seems to me like that would draw a lot of attention to the player, and therefor would be something scum would NOT love to do. Can you walk me through it plz? Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. | ||
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Investigation. | ||
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Cheesecake: voting koshi because yolo randomlynch Palmar: voting koshi no reasoning given Grack: says earlier in his filter that random lynch is good because it makes scum uncomfortable and leads to good analysis, but later votes koshi because koshi probably scum. Wos: voting koshi for rng lynch because TL towns suck. VE: had a scum read on yammo but switched to rng lynch when bh stopped pushing it after randoming koshi. I don't get the logic here. Tofu: voting koshi because rng lynch gives good odds of hitting scum? Shiao: voted koshi first after grack but says he's against rng lynvh but in favor of koshi lynch (where's the case) | ||
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1. Chairman Ray, ShiaoPi and Grack are likely scum. They all joined in the randomlynch on koshi but were all reluctant or afraid to own it. The entire point of a random lunch is that if you are doing it you lunch it's target regardless of analysis. - ray's long post analyzing koshi but not mentioning the rng lynch just really strikes me as scummy. The point of a random lynch is to circumvent analysis on your first target, giving better odds of hitting scum, and make analysis easier on your second target because of how people reacted to the peoposed random lunch. - grack is also super scummy from the way he shifted from "I'm pro random lunc" before it was targeted to "koshi is scum" after if was targeted without still defending random lynch. Unwilling to stick up for / defend his views when it comes down to it. - shiaopi - little harder to analyze because he posted so little before his vote. However the whole concept of "I'm against rng lunch but pro koshi lynch" is not necessarily scummy I guess if you have a strong read on the player (strong enough that you want townies who don't agree with your scum read to vote him anyway because you're so sure you're right and they're wrong. I don't see any evidence in shiaopi's filter that his scum read is strong or even exists on koshi before he voted for him. So voting for him after/becaus he was random lynch targeted but saying you don't suppose the random lynch but having a randomly showing up scum read seems really scummy to me. | ||
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