Golden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia

Up through P6

Koshi says policy is "lynch scum". joking? meaningful? what does this mean. says that grack is not a troll. votes SnB for saying "ok but how will you make sure the rest of town doesn't lynch not scum" in response to policy post. wtf?

SnB notes PS is coaching a newbie game and asks about it. This is actually pretty next-level and tells me he is town. why is PS and Koshi voting SnB for trying to figure out who PS is? SnB noticing PS in a newbie game and making this connection... means he is probably town. This kind of extra level of thinking is something a town who is honestly trying to figure things out would do.

Grack is policy lynching kush. I am okay with this-- kush is illegible. TL towns don't policy lynch nearly enough.

P7

Koshi's thing about SnB's word choice is stupid. his word choice being different could be because he has a different alignment, but could be do to any other number of variables, including being presented with a novel "policy"

Kush is trolling and I feel stronger about grack's policy vote on kush. His aggression towards kush seems a little over the top but it's okay.

Vayne comes in and is actually making a lot of sense. I'm glad he was here at this time.

Papasmurf swapping votes to VA seems pretty obviously a knee-jerk reaction. Judging from his word choice, high post count, and the way he moves his votes in response to innocuous statements, he is probably BH. I know you think this kind of thing is real pressure BH/PS, but it's really not. all it does is make your vote meaningless. I revise my read in papasmurf from scummish to townish if he is really BH-- this is how BH plays as town.

Vayne's post #137 further reinforces my idea that he is town. His questions are good but don't take into account who papasmurf is.

I don't like SnB's #138 though. His responses aren't really meaningful and dont' promote discussion, but it looks like he's contributing. If SnB is scum, I'd be more convinced by hist post #138 than by the other posts he's made before that.

P8

Papasmurf is being typical blazinghand in his argument with VA. VA equivocating in post #143 sounds like backtracking, but when you've got PS/BH on you for every little turn of phrase, posts like that get made. Still, a point against him.

What is Koshi saying here?

SnB's post here isn't scummy but it's not very well-thought-out. why ask all these questions in one post? of course you don't find someone defending you worrying, because he's DEFENDING you. VA's defense is reasonable and people's attacks on SNB prior to P7 second half are unreasonable, but VA has definitely defended SnB on relatively shakey grounds with SnB only had two votes on him. Who is SnB to say that VA wasn't "trying to be right" as so many scum do? What we have here is SnB 'wants' VA to be town, because he doesn't like the idea of being defended by scum. Not saying it's true/false, but SnB what you're doing here is stating a conclusion then looking for evidence to back it up, rather than the other way around.

PS/BH with the classic "dumb or scum" statement.

P9

VA's "my two cents" and "lol" strike me as odd in 162. Would you say that as town? off-handedly, sure. I like VA for town still. I could see him diffusing tension after this, though. I have questions for him.

WoS's inactivity claim strikes me as very convenient. This should be considered a mark against him regardless of circumstances.

GK's entrance is solid. It's the kind of question someone who just caught up reading would ask-- he's actually reading the thread for sure.


So, now that I'm caught up, a few statements and questions

P10

GK's question of grack is reasonable

grack's response is also seems reasonable

wow, I really like GK's followup analysis/summary in post #183. I hadn't realized this sort of contradiction in grack's reasoning. After all, it does seem weird for VA to have a strong townread so suddenly, but he did give a reason. the natural point to turn on thwn would be to engage that reason in discussion/analysis.

WoS's followup looks town-motivated to me. I don't like that he calls SnB's unusually strong effort not-townie. SnB seems like a somewhat obvious town to me at least in terms of how he's thinking. If his usual level of effort is less than this, and he stepped it up, he should be town. WoS could really not know what to think of this, but i dont' see why this would not be a towntell for SnB. I haven't been paying an appropriate amount of attention to grack, and WoS's read looks like a solid one to me. He is jumping the gun by voting on small evidence, but perhaps that is his style-- all ##vote and no ##fos. I will be interested to see his target's regracktion to this attack. A standard call-out of a /confirmer and a name-claimer, nothing too special at the end there. Overall, I am less interested in a WoS lynch today after this post. If he will be posting like this regularly he is worth keeping around.

His statement on Kush intrigues me. I am not familiar with Kush's meta other than that many players consider him bad/trollish.

I don't understand VA's non-3p read. That's not a useful read to make at all. 8(

Ah, here we see debears smurf-slipping, as mentioned to me. Papa_smurf, what a chump!

VA is backtracking and equivocating again. This is not what I would expect a town player to do. his response to the debears smurfslip is immediate suspicion based on... lying?

P11

It looks like now there is a discussion about Aperture mafia and these players interacted there. PS/DB's read on VA's early strong read (something that scum would do, say, on a townie to collect towncred) is supposed to not make sense given that PS/DB played with VA in Aperture.


I'm not sure why PS/DB backs off from VA here.

P11 thoughts

Kush do you play on mafiascum? I don't recognize your SN. This is not on-topic though, and is part of the reason why you are a good policy lynch today.

P12

pandain seems like a buddying dude but otherwise reasonable. I like that he agrees with my catch on SnB reading up on papasmurf coaching. That being said, I don't

consider this to be alignment-indicative. I consider his thing stating zealous seeming town then being "a lurker" isn't necessarily contradictory. He's just wrong. I'm

sure scum get rolenames to claim. Overall this isn't a very interesting entry post by him, but the one thing I like is he isn't sure about my alignment. It would be

easy for him to just call me town (or call me scum), but he is somewhat suspicious because of what i've revealed about my talents. This is a guy who doesn't want to be

misled.

Kush martyring. yeah, policy him. claiming that he's not gonna do anything D1. Definitely policy him. Like, honestly, what did you expect? We can't allow play like

this.

Pandain being on lurkers as a matter of policy is annoying but fine. not worth a D1 lynch based on that. Grack's case seems interesting but take a look at his

reasoning. Pandain's post didn't analyze, but it's still fairly early in the game. His reasoning on SnB being town might be bad, but why doesn't that apply to my

reasoning? Pandain not coming to a conclusion on me is based on his estimation of my skills. This is not a towntell, but it is not a scumtell either. His statements

about policy lynches on grack, kush, and lurkers could be considered scummy, but honestly the entirety of grack's "case" in post 228 is fluff. It looks like Grack is

taking a stance just to take a stance, and jumping on a guy who just happened to post. It looks like legitimate analysis, but it is not.

For this post, I upgrade Grack from "not worth lynching D1" to "potentially worth lynching D1" and a ##Fos Grack.

Papa_smurf gets points for his principled stand against the SnB town-read for out of game reasons. I disagree with him, but from his point of view, his own post out of

the game thread seems "obvious" to notice. He misunderstands that SnB didn't say "look, PS is a smurf" and therefore SnB is town, SnB was looking into PS/DB's posting

history to try to figure things out. SnB wouldn't be just hanging out in a newbie game, see? He didn't accidentally run into PS's out-of-game post. He searched for it.

He looked for it. If SnB was coaching or hosting that game, then it would be a null tell. But the fact that he legitimately went out of his way and did research on PS

tells us that he is trying to figure things out. Scum wouldn't care at all. Now, scum might be good enough at pretending to care, sure, yada yada yada. But it's still

much more likely that SnB is town based on this. PS/DB here is wrong but in the way that a town player would be wrong.

Here in post 232 I think Grack's interacting with PS is weird. PS is being normal, but look at what Grack says here. He doesn't try to convince PS/DB about his case.

He's not collaboratively building a case or tryign to explain things. He's just being like "do you think panda is scum, what did i misinterpret." Your mindset as a

town player, when interacting with someone you nominally assume to be scum (and PS is active enough to assume to be scum), is to convince him, not to butt heads with

him. Post 233 by PS/DB shows imo how a townie thinks. He explains his thoguht process. P234 he breaks down his understanding of pandain's thoughts and what he thinks

is scummy. Contrast that with grack's previous posts (not trying to explain thought process). Grack eventually tries to explain a little in #236 but honestly this is

not very convincing. What he says after the "koshi has awaken" post is a little better. Still, I'd say after this interaction I'm leaning scummer on grack and towner

on PS/DB just based on how they're talking. One is trying to explain a thought process, and the other (grack) had to be backed into explaining things. It's not a hard

read, but it's something.

P13

I like this first post from grack a little better. He's trying to involve koshi. that being said, I don't consider it inherently townie. getting a read out of koshi on

this (and he has already provided one on pandain) isn't something scum wouldn't do. I see koshi disagrees with me on pandain's motives for putting some suspicion on

me, but we can reasonably disagree on that.

@rayn. I strongly think papa_smurf is town. his activity and his interacting with grack... it looks like he's trying to figure things out and he is being

transparent with his thought process. There is 0 chance we should lynch PS/DB today.

Rayn has an interesting critique of my initial posts. However, for the most part I suspect rayn wouldn't dislike anything I said if I just didn't include my notes in

my posts. I can't say much in response to what he doesn't like about my posts here other than that he's overreacting. If he doesn't understand my questions, that's

unfortunate for him. Probably the only damning thing that can be said about my initial posts, that rayn touches on but fails to focus on, is that I dont' call anyone

scum, FoS, or vote. I don't take a strong stance. Stuff like "breaking up townies plans" as he said in post 257 is a bunch of horsecock. Rayn is attacking me for very

weird reasons. As a result, I feel suspicous of him. That being said, this is somewhat reduced by the fact that he's chosen to attack me, a smurf and an unknown

player. scum might be more hesitant to attack me. I just really don't like the way he chose to attack me. As a line of attack, it doesn't make sense from a town

perspectiive. Why not focus on my lack of stance-taking, the obvious thing? Why jump through hoops about me "breaking up town plans"? I'm not ready to vote him, but at

this moment I will ##FoS Rayn.

P14

Koshi's list is meaningless. needs better explanation. Rayn points this out, but no town points for such an obvious point-out. The FoS stands.

WoS for "general uselessness'

I don't understand rayn's comparison between me and pandain. I see he brings up the reads thing, which means he was clearly aware of it but did not emphasise it in his

previous follow-up posts.

I don't understand what's going on in koshi's post #271. Rayn's response regarding the comparison between me and Pandain still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If

he's saying "Pandain is scummy", how does that make me scummy? If he's saying my posting is worse than Pandain's, why not just objectively point out how bad my posting

is to Koshi? Sure, Koshi seems to have a scumread on Pandain and not me, but a good amount of what Pandain did was rehash points what I made, which is different than

making those posts to begin with.

Again, I don't like how Koshi responds to people. #274 in my opinion doesn't appropriately answer rayn's questions, even if rayn's questions are assinine.

Zealos entering and just giving a nullread on kush is worthless. Therefore: ##FoS Zealos. The fact that this is his contribution at this stage in the game is

not appropriate.

Blubbdavid also appears at this moment. I like his posting on Koshi. No FoS or strong statement of scumitude other than an implied ##IGMEOY. A fluffly entrance. I keep

him on my consideration for D1 policy. addendum: the vote is fine but the transition to grack, although it is a useful one (since grack is acting scummy) takes power

away from the vote in the same post. is BD really trying to pressure or lynch Koshi when he's pivoting at the same time? Not FoS territory but I don't like it.

P15

Koshi seems even weirder on me for stating he thinks my post is scummy, then in post #248 stating he didn't ever do so. A town player generally remembers when he has

had his mind changed on a piece of evidence. Although town can forget what they think, it's more common for scum who don't actually think it but pretend to think it,

to forget. As a rule of policy I will not be on Koshi today vote-wise (he's actually active... he will give himself away in the event of being scum) but at this point

I will say that i will ##IGMEOY Koshi.

BD's post of three scumreads, Koshi, Grack, and Kush, aligns with my own suspicions at this point. in post #291 he calls grack out very reasonably. The associative

tells between unflipped players are dumb, though. I am unwilling to lynch BD today, just based on post 291, evne with his weird entrance. three good reads, though he

should admit his reasoning for wanting to lynch kush is policy.

Rayn's post #300 is essentially correct. GK called out grack's equivocation, and was spot on the money for it. A cookie to Rayn for this, and I'll downgrade my scumread on him. He's not worth lynching today, when he's interacting so much. ##unFoS Rayn ##IGMEOY Rayn

P 16

At this point, I realize I've spent an hour writing notes on 2 pages, and somehow in the past 20 hours there have been 20 pages posted. I'm going to be a bit briefer in my notes now, since I need to cook dinner and I want to post this before I do that.

Koshi's capitulation is a nullread.

Kush scumslips here about scum being given fakeclaims. At this point I suggest we policy lynch Kush.

##vote kushm4sta

we all know he could easily be scum and despite what people say, there's no way to read him. He's not contributing. This is our least valuable lynch. We lynch him today and end the suffering.

Grack is wrong about what to do about kush. Why does he assume we have a vigilante? we sholud just lynch kush and be done with it. Grack's defense of me makes even lsess sense. I'm unuseful, but... he wants me to consolidate? I put my notes in spoilers and made my questions and statements on the bottom. I only made 2 posts, for chrissake. Has grack even read my posts?

Snoman's attack on blubb and discussion of names is worthless. ##igmeoy: sn0_man

rayn pressuring grack. good.

P 17

rayn directing entering players towards his case. this is townie. definitely don't lynch today.

Why doesn't grack want to read my two posts?

Rayn states pandain is scummy and i am scummier, then says pandain is "golden" for criticizing me... but does pandain really think that? no. Come on rayn.

@VA That's not a reasonable reason to not give a read on koshi. You can't just not give a read on someone because you were wrong before. If you're so reliably wrong, just think the opposite of what you want to think. Why are you so hesitant to give a read on him? also people arguing doesn't mean differing alignments ##igmeoy VA. Almost an FoS. What is this BS.

Snowman gets a point for defending me, loses a point for criticizing glorious gifs. no change on my status on him.


Va's case only follows after being called out. No credit. Grack jumping on board doesn't make me happy either.

Rayn is asking the right questions. More points to him. He's not scum. ##unigmeoy rayn

P 18
snoman hopping onboard the BD wagon is bad also. this is clearly a mislynch wagon. you're lynching a guy for giving reads that were fine. come on fellas

good defesne from BD

P20
at this point, still no comment on the kush scumslip. he slips under the radar like this

Grack calling vig shots that should be policy lynches.

snoman says kush is lynchable in general... instead of right now? why? If we lynch kush, we do it D1. he's right that as scum I'm more likely to slip up with this than any other style. Still, not my place to comment on this.

P21

PS/DB an explanation of kush scum/town meta would be ncie rather than saying it exists and leaving it like that.

god rayn get off my ass, it's not happening.

I don't care about rayn's fakeclaiming history. we lynch liars.

SnB needs to take a stance. I downgrade him to "null" for that post #417

P22

PS that's probably not a scumslip from rayn. that's just arrogance.

bds' arguments were fine. We can't figure kush out. he's not worth anything, he doesn't contribute, we just lynch him today and be done with it

P23

@VA I can also do so much. I will be around to interact now though

P24
@Koshi the least active overall, or between me and Panda?

Pandain clearly knows that grack's lgoic is flawed. Grack highly lynchable for it. I think we'll hear more from him though, kush is a more worthy D1 lynch. if kush isn't a viable option I am willing to vote grack.

AGain, sorry guys, I'm only availle during certain time blocks

P25

Pandain I feel is in part defending me here because his post mirrored mine. I am willing to concede that htis could be a scum attempt at buddying. That being said, he's in the thread and posting. this makes him not worth a D1 lynch. I should take a moment to explain my lynch philosophy here. We don't lynch people whose alignments will be clear by lilo. we lynch scummy people and people who won't prove themselves townie. Pandain at least is in the thick of things and posting. We can't afford to go into Lylo with "lylobilities" (think liabilities but for lylo) still alive. pandain loses some points as a result.

rayn needs to explain his scumread on pandain.

"too busy to make a good case" doesn't cut it. policy on onegus and sheeping on blubb doesn't cut it. ##igmeoy pandain, again, don't lynch him today

P26 is his irl name really isaac

P27
Rayn's list is bad. Zealos is an acceptable policy.

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blue hunting is scum motivated, but is abjectly openly do it really scum motivated? get your shit together guys.

+ Show Spoiler +


I really have to go now, I will be back in about an hour and a half. you guys post too much

SnB, why did you not respond to my questions

we should lync kush, he will never be readable.


##vote kushm4sta
##FoS Zealos, ##FoS Grack
##igmeoy pandain, VA, sn0_man, Koshi

I know this shit is a mess. I'm sorry. I will be back.