EPTno clue if I played 3 or 4 newbie games it's been a long time either way. If you need another player I have the time though ^^
If it's only 3 I'll /in though
Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI
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no clue if I played 3 or 4 newbie games it's been a long time either way. If you need another player I have the time though ^^ If it's only 3 I'll /in though | ||
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On August 07 2013 00:49 cDgCorazon wrote: Hi OE. Long time no see =) Yeah you've played in 4 newbies already (33,34,35,38) so you can only replace. Thanks Cora! ^^ and yeah it has been awhile  been too busy to try to commit to any games lately  Here's hoping you don't actually need me to replace anybody lol | ||
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Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. | ||
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On August 18 2013 07:49 Holyflare wrote: I like how you ignore everything I've said the entirety of the game just to focus on the person I put my vote on. It was my girlfriends birthday today (went out yesterday for it/party today) so I left my vote on the safest person so far. If he posted once and voted he'd be still in the game and I would NOT be alright with that, I would 100% not be alright with wasting 2 days just so we could fucking waste another day talking about him and wasting the day on him. That's a pretty massive issue.... the objective isn't to find the safest person to vote for and then do it as town..... Your reason of not wanting to get rid of somebody who might contribute doesn't work in this case. Xzavier had literally not made a single post, was very likely to be modkilled and you had stronger feelings against another player but you kept your vote on him because it was safer? Am I reading that right? Safer for what? Town on D1 doesn't need to worry about what the safe vote is. if you wanted to be safe why didn't you just ##Vote:No-Lynch instead of putting it on somebody who wouldn't defend himself. I'm fairly certain I just got that last part wrong, would a mod be kind enough to tell me/us what the correct format is to vote for a no-lynch? Thanks! | ||
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On August 18 2013 07:54 Holyflare wrote: I also find it funny that you jump on everyone voting Xzavier when everyones alternative was squibbles who also would get modkilled, totally legit reasoning... not Squibbles said two things, I have the gift of knowing that he was town and therefore I can tell you he was either a very new, or bored townie. His two posts also indicate that and while I was reading the game before being subbed in for him my read on him was town. Why are you deflecting the subject? Squibbles didn't get voted on, if he had this wouldn't be as bad as it is. At least you could argue Squibbles had said he would contribute but never did. | ||
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On August 18 2013 08:31 Holyflare wrote: I also thought he was town from what he has posted (if you actually read anything I posted, it seems you haven't). I am also not deflecting, the point you raised was that you shouldn't vote for a 0 poster, squibbles was a 2 poster with a no vote that also got modkilled, the REST of the town was on him right until the final minutes where they bandwagoned iVLosK! and then subsequently Xzavier. There was some suspicious shit there though and I'll leave it till the day before I discuss it. Not making the same mistake as my last game. you are mistaking me asking you questions for me making a case against you. I don't need to start quoting your filter to bring up how weird your vote was and your logic behind it. However the soft town claim bothers me quite a bit especially with how the game has played out so far. Why I think Holy is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 03:19 Holyflare wrote: Here's the run down so far, yeh it's early but /care Stuffz going down: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote: Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said. Here we have squibbles pointing out what I find to be obvious but what many of us failed to say. He didn't need to backtrack but he did because this is an important point, it isn't beating a dead horse and implies that he'd like further discussion if this arises in the future, I like this guy. Also agrees with not posting bs spam. +++++ Would like to hear more when he's back from work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deus started a bit wishy washy but I'm assuming he is being more aprehensive over the last game where he started with full on aggression against reps. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote: If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy. I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game. Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum. I'm liking this post, yet, it seems this game he is going all out aggressive on lurkers. Lurkers annoy me yes but he hasn't really added anything yet in terms of proper content other than elaborating his policy when asked which increases my suspicions of people that are rating him as a town player for now ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not sure about this lonemeow guy, he has the town mentality sure with stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 15:26 LoneMeow wrote: Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player. On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest. however he hasn't had to talk about other people so I cannot give a good read on him whatsoever yet. If you read this lonemeow I want your full impressions on iVLosK! and Slam. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What I am REALLY quizzical about are why people are riding iVLosK!'s dick so fucking hard, he implies he hate's wishy washy bull shit but has provided absolutely 0 content in his posts so far: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote: No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon. This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points. I spare thee, and await further posts. This is his only thing that has any merit and it's a line about him agreeing with a post.... like seriously I question the people that lean town on this guy... Stupid obvious shit 1: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 07:41 iVLosK! wrote: I would argue that the rap was very aggressive. Krizz Kaliko does not fuck around. Stupid obvious shit 2: + Show Spoiler + Stupid obvious shit 3: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote: Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy. For a guy that states he hates people that talk about "stupid obvious shit" he sure is hypocritical. He's also just devolved into talking about lynching lurkers in his last post, again, no content. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Slam... is slam, but this game he's seemed to get his shit somewhat together: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote: Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it. Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...) HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys. "Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2) Fellows, pleeeze!! Confused about his town read on iVLosK obviously and mentioning me over everyone else seems a bit quizzical too as I didn't post much. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff. I like this post but by this nature he should also assume that ivlosk is now scummy (after reading my post/his filter), he has a habit of being swayed easily by people who are expressing pro town interests which you all need to watch out for too. Obviously the game is early and you can't read too much into what he is saying so press him lots <3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JAT hasn't really added anything other than his dislike of fakeclaims, can't read into him at all so would like to hear more from him too, will push him on people when he is around. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content. I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game. /spoiler] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will push people for reads and things if they are around when I post this First off we have this large post which looks impressive at first, then after reading it you realize it doesn't say a whole lot other than the first few posts of nearly everybody gives him a town vibe. This is behavior of somebody who wants to look like they are contributing without actually putting anything of worth into a very large post very early into the game when there isn't really much information to go on. Tries to get on the good side of multiple people and not disturb things too much. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote: JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 07:29 Holyflare wrote: So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT? Another scummy move is to constantly keep asking people what they think about the others and not answering or very briefly answering questions directed at yourself. This way again it looks like you are contributing when in reality it is the others doing most of the talking. Also I happen to like LosK's pointless talk as it is part of the reason I have a slight town read on him. He seems very comfortable to talk about nothing in particular which sets most scum on edge and can sometimes make him a target for others to try and attack because of it. Which you later do. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote: I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 21:26 Holyflare wrote: ##Vote xzavier for now as a placeholder until something more obvious comes forward Not a townie vote or mindset to have. As mentioned before No-Lynch is always an option. Town does not look for the "safe" or "easy" votes. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 23:48 Holyflare wrote: If he posts at 6.59 he will not be modkilled, hence the placeholder vote, it can be moved anytime I feel like it onto someone more suspicious. It is also madatory to vote for someone otherwise you will also probably be warned/modkilled, if I was to suddenly become inundated with things to do later at least my vote would be on a worthy person. It is more suspicious that people have not voted at all with only 3 hours left to go. This is also a plurality lynch meaning that the person with the most votes, not majority will be voted off. Do you really want to vote off the guy that has at least said something rather than the person that has said nothing? + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 00:17 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote: D' Oh. I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too. Wasn't this the post where you said you were using it to build a 'case'? You agreed with JAT that relying on modkills would be bad so why have you gone 180 on squibbles when you originally liked his first post? (here: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote: No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon. This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points. I spare thee, and await further posts. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 23:55 iVLosK! wrote: A last second vote from Xzavier would be tantamount to admitting he is scum. If he does, we just lynch him D2. I would much prefer to allow him to be modkilled and we can see what his replacement has to say. I much prefer reps or sqibbles for the lynch and will vote squibbles because multiple players have stated that reps is always like this. ##Vote: Squibbles You do NOT want to accidently vote off a town member if they have contributed, even 1 or 2 posts, compared to somebody who has done none for now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I honestly do not understand how people can think you are acting town when you flip flop all over the place on almost every post you make: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote: Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy. Nothing has been noted in your posts since then that implies you'd even think about modkills or squibbles voting, you just seem to be bandwagoning with no valid reason for the easy lynch. Clearly you've had a problem with LosK all game, yet you continue to keep your vote on Xzavier, I can only assume it is to be "safe". Lastly please don't soft claim town with a "I'm not going to post my thoughts at night, cause I might get NK'd!" after playing like shit and tunneling LosK for most of the day for play that I and a few others consider to be town aligned. It's bullshit. My town reads are still JAT and LosK, I think if Koshi continues to play exactly as he has been I feel pretty comfortable calling him town as well. I think he's right with saying scum was on the Xzavier lynch. I'm also leaning towards town on Lonemeow as I've really liked some of his posts, in particular these: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 17:53 LoneMeow wrote: So do you think he's scum? Why so non-committal? Your filter is worrying, low activity and I get a feel that you're just trying to find a target to latch on rather than trying to find scum. + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 01:29 LoneMeow wrote: When I dropped my vote on Squibbles I was fully expecting him to speak up before the deadline as he had said he's reading the thread during EU daytime. Now that it looks like he might be modkilled/replaced just like Xzavier I'm fully prepared to switch. I'm fully prepared to switch to iVLosK! - as I've stated he seems to be suspiciously timid compared to his style in XLII and the point about not bringing much content that Holyflare brings up has merit. Also, now that you're here, can I have a few reads from you? To me this looks like a town motivated mind set. He's actively watching what people are doing and how they are reacting to things and trying to see the town/scum reasoning behind each action. Actually by quoting these I realize Slam also voted on Xzavier as a place holder at first. wtf. Sheep placeholder at that, scummy as hell. Add that to how much his vote jumped around and he makes me pretty nervous I think Deus looks pretty scummy as well and also mentioned he wanted a "safe" place to put his vote. After looking through his filter carefully though I no longer think he's the scummiest out of all three. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: I agree with your reasoning itself, Omni. Deus and Alakaslam look quite scummy with their voting behaviour. I am not so sure about IVLosk being town - I don't think his careless posting is enough to give him a town read especially because he is a veteran mafia player. You raise some interesting points about HolyFlare. I will read him again (he was null to me before your case). please by all means pick my case apart as well, I wasn't able to say this because I was so late in joining this game but I believe not only does Koshi's death prove he was on the right track, but that in order to correctly pick the scum off the Xzavier lynch we need to go through each others cases and almost play devils advocate on how certain points might be considered town rather than scum. Admittedly at least in my case I find it very difficult to find town motivation behind a players actions after I think they are scum. I'll have to take another look at LosK then as well. He's messing around a lot which makes it very difficult for me to read him. I just don't think scum would be so openly ballsy as he is being lol | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Please take a very careful look at him and compare his play to NMM XLII. Either he's town trolling very hard (why would he do that?) or scum trying to play some weird mind games. I'll take a look at his filter from that game, thanks | ||
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"A common misconception in a majority lynch system is that no-lynch is bad due to the notion that flips are the only source of information. While flips are useful in confirming information, there are many cases where it is clear that town is bandwagoning a player and will lead to a mislynch. In most cases, a bandwagon lynch on a townie is not going to produce any useful information. Without serious competition for a lynch target, the mafia don’t have any incentive to either jump on or stay off the bandwagon. Unless there is insurmountable evidence that the target is mafia, a quick bandwagon usually suggests that the player is town. Don’t be afraid to no-lynch in this situation. Going with the flow and agreeing to bandwagon a townie stifles discussion and allows the mafia to coast through the day without giving up any information. It is better to force the discussion and risk a no-lynch than to go along with an obvious town bandwagon." While this is plurality lynch the logic still applies. Why do you think no-lynch is bad? We'd still have another townie if you had done it, what a terrible thing to have right? Instead you lynched a guy who made 0 posts. what you NEVER do is lynch a guy with 0 posts. He either makes a last minute vote and gets himself killed D2 or is modkilled. Also you were around with plenty of time to change your vote. You made your big post on him after you voted on Xzavier so enough with that bullshit, you simply chose not to move your vote. but fine newb townie is what it seems you're going for and I can kind of see it. I can agree that Slam looks worse than you at this point anyway. | ||
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It was also that while I was just an observer in this game JAT was using the better terminology. looking for a "better" target rather than "easier" ect. I've found a lot of small scum slips in newbie games eventually come out in the wording that a lot of people tend to miss. That being said a lot of townies also do that crap -.- He also (although should be obvious to most of us) advises people to stop talking/making association cases before we lynch scum or even see the alignment of any players. I really liked his posting while watching the game and he has continued to not trigger any warning flags for me to consider him to be scum. He's the greenest townie we've got imo other than the two confirmed. Just like I said about you Lone I believe he's looking at things with a pretty townie mindset. if I had to give my list of town/scum now, it's a bit different in order than before. Xzavier Koshi JAT Lone LosK Holy Deus Slam | ||
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The biggest issue I have with LosK being scum and either Deus / Slam being his scum buddy in this scenario is why would you bus your scum buddy D1 for absolutely no reason? I don't think a scum vote on LosK makes much sense either if LosK is scum. | ||
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The voting from both of them (slam and Deus) are terrible. Slam isn't going to be here for 24 hours meaning we won't be able to get him to answer anything till the last half of D2 if that. Deus has been extremely quiet for a long time now as well and as was just pointed out his posting filter is full of hypocrisy and is from what others have said nearly the exact opposite of how he normally plays town. instead of trying to put together connections that don't exist yet I believe we should ONLY be looking at Slam and Deus for lynch candidates today. I still believe LosK to be town, and tbh my case against Holy is largely centered on his vote on Xzavier which clearly some townie made the mistake of voting for. I'm not ruling out the case of scum Holy but I do believe given everything that has happened so far we are more likely to lynch scum by going after Deus and Slam. | ||
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[bold]##Vote: DeusXmachina[/bold] His filter is worse than Slam's, He made the same terrible vote, and he's not playing like his standard town play as said by other people. Unless anything massive happens in the next 48 hours the only other person I'd consider voting for right now would be Slam. I'll be going through his filter and trying to make a case on him as well but the case made by JAT is very compelling. | ||
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##Vote: DeusXmachina sometimes I'm just so dumb. | ||
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All of the association cases against him are useless till we know Slam/Deus's alignment. Also from what I quickly read it looks like Deus didn't actually address anything in JAT's case and tried to brush it off and then redirect suspicion at others. I'd be fine with him trying to give his scum reads if he actually tried to clear up his mess and explain his own posts. Also Deus from how I read it, the inconsistency isn't the constantly changing reads town has, the inconsistency is you saying one thing, and then doing another immediately after with no reason behind it. Did you even care who you voted for D1? I can't tell. Also cases don't need to be long and lengthy, having a short case with a ton of incriminating posts doesn't make it weak. How about you actually talk about those posts instead. I'm going to grab some lunch / late breakfast and then get back to the questions directed at me | ||
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On August 20 2013 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: I expect more of you. In this post you only repeat what has been said earlier (by me). The most important question for me is: Why do you think scum Deus or slam voted like that if you think iVLosk is town? Why should they make themselves look bad if they could just stay on the active townie instead of the completely useless one? I'm back, I think one if not both of them scum slipped in the worst way possible. Scum make mistakes and it is our job to find those mistakes and lynch them for it. In my first game scum literally said "this is my first game as mafia" and because I didn't push that lynch hard enough we ended up lynching a townie who tried to defend him. I see the vote on Xzavier by Slam and Deus as pretty much the same thing. "Oops I'm not used to playing as scum and I panicked" LosK's alignment doesn't fucking matter until we know which one of Deus or Slam is scum. If they both are we win the game but if it's only one of them and the other sheeped him or tried to make it look like a sheep vote THEN we can discuss LosK being scum. I've mentioned it before but trying to figure out LosK's alignment from this is pointless right now. On August 19 2013 07:57 OmniEulogy wrote: instead of trying to put together connections that don't exist yet I believe we should ONLY be looking at Slam and Deus for lynch candidates today. | ||
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