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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
June 18 2013 18:29 GMT
#1
I thought that Blizzard enforces an age restriction of 16 years on WCS AM/EU. According to Liquipedia (T)Xenocider is 15 and he won't turn 16 until August. Why can he take part in WCS? Has the age restriction been lifted? Or does it only apply to WCS EU? (T)HeRoMaRinE couldn't participate in WCS EU because of the age restriction and he is at least Challenger League material :|

I don't want to get anyone disqualified, but it's unfair that it is different in different regions. WCS KR never had this restriction. Can this restriction be lifted for the other region if it still exists?
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 18 2013 18:30 GMT
#2
I thought it was due to some German law, IIRC?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 18 2013 18:35 GMT
#3
All laws are local. I don't know of any US law that bars Xenocider from competing, but I am sure there is some country out there that it would be illegal.

This likely isn't a WCS thing or something they could control.
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 18:38:34
June 18 2013 18:36 GMT
#4
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

On April 11 2013 23:19 th3rogue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:14 Baum wrote:
The ESL always had age restrictions for their leagues.


Only when necessary. The age restriction for WCS is set by Blizzard for all WCS regions.



On April 12 2013 00:07 th3rogue wrote:
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On April 11 2013 23:46 opterown wrote:
wait a minute, if there is an age restriction, is maru too young for code S? lol

According to what we have been told, yes. It's possible that exceptions have been made for him/WCS Korea for this season, as WCS Korea "took over" the running GSL

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 18 2013 18:39 GMT
#5
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 18 2013 18:42 GMT
#6
I'm not sure where you heard this rule. I just know that ESL, the league that runs WCS EU, has always had this age restriction. That might be where the misconception comes from.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 18 2013 18:50 GMT
#7
This makes me feel old and I'm only 18 TT

I'd be surprised if there wasn't an exception for players like Maru and Xenocider.
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Mormel
Profile Joined February 2012
Netherlands57 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 18:55:09
June 18 2013 18:54 GMT
#8
MaruPrime is also 15 and he's playing in the WCS
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 19:01:05
June 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#9
On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.


I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz?

The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 18 2013 19:08 GMT
#10
On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.


I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz?

The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions.

I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there.

Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age.
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Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
June 18 2013 19:12 GMT
#11
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12. I think all the regions have their own rules when it comes to this.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 18 2013 19:13 GMT
#12
On June 19 2013 03:54 Mormel wrote:
MaruPrime is also 15 and he's playing in the WCS

Maru also wasn't allowed to play at one of the recent IEMs due to his age after qualifying (he misinterpreted the age restriction and used his Korean age). Maru's in Code S, and no one's kicking him out. Heromarine can't play because he's too young according to some German law or ESL position. Pretty cut and dry.
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
June 18 2013 19:24 GMT
#13
On June 19 2013 03:42 monk wrote:
I'm not sure where you heard this rule. I just know that ESL, the league that runs WCS EU, has always had this age restriction. That might be where the misconception comes from.


Well that put a pin in it. Yep, pretty sure it's just an ESL thing.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
June 18 2013 19:27 GMT
#14
So many people having a hard time reading. Just read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417754#4 instead of hitting the reply-button in seconds.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
June 18 2013 19:28 GMT
#15
On June 19 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.


I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz?

The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions.

I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there.

Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age.


The random person is the ESL Community Manager for SC2 and some posts earlier you find the statement of the ESL Headadmin. They explicitly say that the restriction has not been set by ESL (and yes, I know other ESL events have an age restriction set by ESL themselves) but in this case they were told by Blizzard that there is one.

And I couldn't find a complete rulebook for WCS if there is one. Just some rules on blog posts, FAQs and copy-pastes on the tournament system's rule pages.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 18 2013 19:36 GMT
#16
On June 19 2013 04:28 SinCitta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.


I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz?

The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions.

I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there.

Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age.


The random person is the ESL Community Manager for SC2 and some posts earlier you find the statement of the ESL Headadmin. They explicitly say that the restriction has not been set by ESL (and yes, I know other ESL events have an age restriction set by ESL themselves) but in this case they were told by Blizzard that there is one.

And I couldn't find a complete rulebook for WCS if there is one. Just some rules on blog posts, FAQs and copy-pastes on the tournament system's rule pages.

Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
June 18 2013 19:37 GMT
#17
On June 19 2013 04:12 Lunchador wrote:
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12. I think all the regions have their own rules when it comes to this.

cant have them 11 year old prodigies wiping the floor against current named gosus
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
June 18 2013 19:38 GMT
#18
On June 19 2013 04:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 04:28 SinCitta wrote:
On June 19 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.


I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz?

The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions.

I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there.

Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age.


The random person is the ESL Community Manager for SC2 and some posts earlier you find the statement of the ESL Headadmin. They explicitly say that the restriction has not been set by ESL (and yes, I know other ESL events have an age restriction set by ESL themselves) but in this case they were told by Blizzard that there is one.

And I couldn't find a complete rulebook for WCS if there is one. Just some rules on blog posts, FAQs and copy-pastes on the tournament system's rule pages.

Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing.

You are very stubborn in not reading, it is not and has been explianed multiple times now, no matter how much you would like to ignore it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 18 2013 19:44 GMT
#19
On June 19 2013 04:38 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 04:36 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 04:28 SinCitta wrote:
On June 19 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:
On June 19 2013 03:36 SinCitta wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407359#11

And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you.


I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz?

The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions.

I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there.

Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age.


The random person is the ESL Community Manager for SC2 and some posts earlier you find the statement of the ESL Headadmin. They explicitly say that the restriction has not been set by ESL (and yes, I know other ESL events have an age restriction set by ESL themselves) but in this case they were told by Blizzard that there is one.

And I couldn't find a complete rulebook for WCS if there is one. Just some rules on blog posts, FAQs and copy-pastes on the tournament system's rule pages.

Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing.

You are very stubborn in not reading, it is not and has been explianed multiple times now, no matter how much you would like to ignore it.


Explain why. Is the WCS KR age restriction not 12 years old? What is the NA age restriction? What is EU? Other people have responded, but you folks just keep linking to the same post over and over like it proves something.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
June 18 2013 19:49 GMT
#20
Can I have a source on the WCS KR age restriction? I know that there is a GSL age restriction of 12 years. But it is possible that Blizzard unified it to 16 with the introduction of WCS Korea.

In any case, either ESL is lying or there was a severe miscommunication between Blizzard and their regional partners again.
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