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On June 19 2013 04:49 SinCitta wrote:
Can I have a source on the WCS KR age restriction? I know that there is a GSL age restriction of 12 years. But it is possible that Blizzard unified it to 16 with the introduction of WCS Korea.
In any case, either ESL is lying or there was a severe miscommunication between Blizzard and their regional partners again.
Or ESL is keeping the rules and Xeno was overlooked in NA. We had already figured out that GSL, won't kick a qualified player and seems to have a special case.
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JimmyJRaynor, is that you?
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On June 19 2013 04:54 AgentW wrote:
JimmyJRaynor, is that you?
LoL, really? I hope not. I vowed to avoid arguing with him if at all possible.
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On June 19 2013 04:56 Plansix wrote:LoL, really? I hope not. I vowed to avoid arguing with him if at all possible.
I was joking, but this sounds like something he would be going on.
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On June 19 2013 04:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 04:38 grs wrote:On June 19 2013 04:36 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 04:28 SinCitta wrote:On June 19 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you. I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz? The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions. I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there. Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age. The random person is the ESL Community Manager for SC2 and some posts earlier you find the statement of the ESL Headadmin. They explicitly say that the restriction has not been set by ESL (and yes, I know other ESL events have an age restriction set by ESL themselves) but in this case they were told by Blizzard that there is one. And I couldn't find a complete rulebook for WCS if there is one. Just some rules on blog posts, FAQs and copy-pastes on the tournament system's rule pages. Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing. You are very stubborn in not reading, it is not and has been explianed multiple times now, no matter how much you would like to ignore it. Explain why. Is the WCS KR age restriction not 12 years old? What is the NA age restriction? What is EU? Other people have responded, but you folks just keep linking to the same post over and over like it proves something.
Literally the guy running WCS EU (together with Kennigit now) says:
On April 11 2013 23:15 Shawngood wrote:
The age restriction applies for all WCS regions though.
and the ESL SC2 Community manager says
On April 11 2013 23:19 th3rogue wrote:
Only when necessary. The age restriction for WCS is set by Blizzard for all WCS regions.
Plansix's response:
linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything
Literally a random person on TL says:
On June 19 2013 04:12 Lunchador wrote:
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12.
Plansix's response:
On June 19 2013 04:36 Plansix wrote:
Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing.
So that says something or what?
You refuse to believe the guys running the tournament who are in constant contact with Blizzard on rules and shit that it's supposedly for all regions and not a Germany thing, but you're immediately willing to accept the answer of a random guy on TL because it doesn't contradict your own opinion.
I'm not saying the information posted back then is necessarily still true, but tell me again how you're not stubborn.
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Thanks for digging that up StarVe. I think this has the potential to be a problem. Maybe Maru gets grandfathered in or something? Of note, Xenocider is almost 16 also.
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On June 19 2013 05:01 AgentW wrote:
Thanks for digging that up StarVe. I think this has the potential to be a problem. Maybe Maru gets grandfathered in or something? Of note, Xenocider is almost 16 also.
Thanks, StarVe! 
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On June 19 2013 04:57 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 04:44 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 04:38 grs wrote:On June 19 2013 04:36 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 04:28 SinCitta wrote:On June 19 2013 04:08 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 03:58 SinCitta wrote:On June 19 2013 03:39 Plansix wrote:And that is likely based on local laws and differs from region to region(like everything else). You should look the rules up yourself, rather than demanding people do the work for you. I don't even know which law I have to look for. Youth protection law, minors in TV law (is TwitchTV even considered TV under the German law?), employment laws, gambling laws? There are certainly people that are more qualified for this. Maybe we get a statement from German law student/ESL/Blizzard/EG/mouz? The second quote from my updated post above (here) says pretty unambigiously that the age restriction of 16 should be applied to all WCS regions. I meant why don't you look up the WCS rules for each region and find out. There are somewhere out there. Also, linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything. It's not really that big of a deal. Since a 15 year old couldn't enter without a parents approval in the US, WCS is likely aware of his age. The random person is the ESL Community Manager for SC2 and some posts earlier you find the statement of the ESL Headadmin. They explicitly say that the restriction has not been set by ESL (and yes, I know other ESL events have an age restriction set by ESL themselves) but in this case they were told by Blizzard that there is one. And I couldn't find a complete rulebook for WCS if there is one. Just some rules on blog posts, FAQs and copy-pastes on the tournament system's rule pages. Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing. You are very stubborn in not reading, it is not and has been explianed multiple times now, no matter how much you would like to ignore it. Explain why. Is the WCS KR age restriction not 12 years old? What is the NA age restriction? What is EU? Other people have responded, but you folks just keep linking to the same post over and over like it proves something. Literally the guy running WCS EU (together with Kennigit now) says: Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:15 Shawngood wrote:
The age restriction applies for all WCS regions though.
and the ESL SC2 Community manager says Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:19 th3rogue wrote:
Only when necessary. The age restriction for WCS is set by Blizzard for all WCS regions. Plansix's response: Show nested quote +linking to another post in TL from a random person claiming how the rules work for WCS does not prove anything Literally a random person on TL says: Plansix's response: Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 04:36 Plansix wrote:
Well it has been answer above. The WCS KR is 12 years old and I don't know what NA is, but I bet it allows 15 year olds to play. Its a Germany thing. So that says something or what? You refuse to believe the guys running the tournament who are in constant contact with Blizzard on rules and shit that it's supposedly for all regions and not a Germany thing, but you're immediately willing to accept the answer of a random guy on TL because it doesn't contradict your own opinion. I'm not saying the information posted back then is necessarily still true, but tell me again how you're not stubborn.
Valid point and I do concede that I did take Lunchador on face value, since I knew the Korean age limit was very low(under 14) from a previous discussion on TL about underage players in Korea. In truth, I found the post that is being used in the thread in regards to the age restriction to be a bit broad and does not provide any specific details at to the rule itself.
But I am confused why people even talking about this. Each region and country is going to have its own laws covering minors and that could be the reason why some players cannot play. Even if the WCS rules all say 14 or 16 or 12, the local laws would still apply. It is totally reasonable to believe that each country is going to have its own age limit, since WCS can't make a one size fits all rule for the entire world.
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I'm not sure why you keep talking about individual laws in each country.
I have a hard time imagining countries having laws that would forbid someone under 16 to play in a video game tournament. Why you seem to think that each country has an age limit for playing in a tournament seems beyond silly to me. That just isn't the way it is. I've seen Germany mentioned a couple times, and maybe they do have some crazy anti-fun law, but I think a law like that would be quite rare. This thread is about WCS rules and what they are, nothing else. Nobody is asking what the laws are.
The point is, there shouldn't be exceptions for some players who are too young to compete, while denying others players the same opportunity.
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On June 19 2013 05:11 skipdog172 wrote:
I'm not sure why you keep talking about individual laws in each country.
I have a hard time imagining countries having laws that would forbid someone under 16 to play in a video game tournament. Why you seem to think that each country has an age limit for playing in a tournament seems beyond silly to me. That just isn't the way it is. I've seen Germany mentioned a couple times, and maybe they do have some crazy anti-fun law, but I think a law like that would be quite rare. This thread is about WCS rules and what they are, nothing else. Nobody is asking what the laws are.
The point is, there shouldn't be exceptions for some players who are too young to compete, while denying others players the same opportunity.
A "teenagers can not play in competetive Tournaments including Prize Money. Teenagers that are 16 or older may compete with their Parents permission." rule wont surprise me at all in Germany, actually.
:o
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On June 19 2013 05:22 Daumen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:11 skipdog172 wrote:
I'm not sure why you keep talking about individual laws in each country.
I have a hard time imagining countries having laws that would forbid someone under 16 to play in a video game tournament. Why you seem to think that each country has an age limit for playing in a tournament seems beyond silly to me. That just isn't the way it is. I've seen Germany mentioned a couple times, and maybe they do have some crazy anti-fun law, but I think a law like that would be quite rare. This thread is about WCS rules and what they are, nothing else. Nobody is asking what the laws are.
The point is, there shouldn't be exceptions for some players who are too young to compete, while denying others players the same opportunity. A "teenagers can not play in competetive Tournaments including Prize Money. Teenagers that are 16 or older may compete with their Parents permission." rule wont surprise me at all in Germany, actually. :o
Wow, the German government must really hate  HeRoMaRinE then, changing the law in response of WCS 2012.
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On June 19 2013 05:22 Daumen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:11 skipdog172 wrote:
I'm not sure why you keep talking about individual laws in each country.
I have a hard time imagining countries having laws that would forbid someone under 16 to play in a video game tournament. Why you seem to think that each country has an age limit for playing in a tournament seems beyond silly to me. That just isn't the way it is. I've seen Germany mentioned a couple times, and maybe they do have some crazy anti-fun law, but I think a law like that would be quite rare. This thread is about WCS rules and what they are, nothing else. Nobody is asking what the laws are.
The point is, there shouldn't be exceptions for some players who are too young to compete, while denying others players the same opportunity. A "teenagers can not play in competetive Tournaments including Prize Money. Teenagers that are 16 or older may compete with their Parents permission." rule wont surprise me at all in Germany, actually. :o
Can you provide a citation or link for that? People might need it. I don't know why people would think there are no laws governing minors competing for cash.
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On June 19 2013 05:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:22 Daumen wrote:On June 19 2013 05:11 skipdog172 wrote:
I'm not sure why you keep talking about individual laws in each country.
I have a hard time imagining countries having laws that would forbid someone under 16 to play in a video game tournament. Why you seem to think that each country has an age limit for playing in a tournament seems beyond silly to me. That just isn't the way it is. I've seen Germany mentioned a couple times, and maybe they do have some crazy anti-fun law, but I think a law like that would be quite rare. This thread is about WCS rules and what they are, nothing else. Nobody is asking what the laws are.
The point is, there shouldn't be exceptions for some players who are too young to compete, while denying others players the same opportunity. A "teenagers can not play in competetive Tournaments including Prize Money. Teenagers that are 16 or older may compete with their Parents permission." rule wont surprise me at all in Germany, actually. :o Can you provide a citation or link for that? People might need it. I don't know why people would think there are no laws governing minors competing for cash.
He said it wont surprise him to see something like that in our rules. But he doesnt say that he knows it is that way. I dont think that something with prize money under age of bla is there. Else u won't have some Teenagers already playing for football clubs or something at low ages and already getting paid. U just need someone who holds the money until u get to a certain age. Dunno if Gaming goes against some other laws that cause age problems or not.
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On June 19 2013 04:37 Race is Terran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 04:12 Lunchador wrote:
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12. I think all the regions have their own rules when it comes to this. cant have them 11 year old prodigies wiping the floor against current named gosus
Don't forget that SC2 has been rated T (Teen) by the ESRB. It says: "Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older". Blizzard (or god knows who :D) has to draw a line somewhere.
Would be weird to have only a bunch of 9-year-old being the progamers of a 18+ rated game :D
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On June 19 2013 05:30 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 04:37 Race is Terran wrote:On June 19 2013 04:12 Lunchador wrote:
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12. I think all the regions have their own rules when it comes to this. cant have them 11 year old prodigies wiping the floor against current named gosus Don't forget that SC2 has been rated T (Teen) by the ESRB. It says: "Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older". Blizzard (or god knows who :D) has to draw a line somewhere.
The rating (T) doesnt mean u are not allowed to play it before. It's just a measurement for the parents who maybe are not so informed and only a general guideline. U don't have to follow it, atleast in our country.
Something else with games on index or 18.
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On June 19 2013 05:32 semmeL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:30 ZenithM wrote:On June 19 2013 04:37 Race is Terran wrote:On June 19 2013 04:12 Lunchador wrote:
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12. I think all the regions have their own rules when it comes to this. cant have them 11 year old prodigies wiping the floor against current named gosus Don't forget that SC2 has been rated T (Teen) by the ESRB. It says: "Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older". Blizzard (or god knows who :D) has to draw a line somewhere. The rating (T) doesnt mean u are not allowed to play it before. It's just a measurement for the parents who maybe are not so informed and only a general guideline. U don't have to follow it, atleast in our country. Something else with games on index or 18.
Yeah but I mean, if Blizzard did enforce an age restriction like that for the WCS, they could easily justify that as a lower bound at least.
I know the ratings don't really matter otherwise.
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On June 19 2013 05:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:22 Daumen wrote:On June 19 2013 05:11 skipdog172 wrote:
I'm not sure why you keep talking about individual laws in each country.
I have a hard time imagining countries having laws that would forbid someone under 16 to play in a video game tournament. Why you seem to think that each country has an age limit for playing in a tournament seems beyond silly to me. That just isn't the way it is. I've seen Germany mentioned a couple times, and maybe they do have some crazy anti-fun law, but I think a law like that would be quite rare. This thread is about WCS rules and what they are, nothing else. Nobody is asking what the laws are.
The point is, there shouldn't be exceptions for some players who are too young to compete, while denying others players the same opportunity. A "teenagers can not play in competetive Tournaments including Prize Money. Teenagers that are 16 or older may compete with their Parents permission." rule wont surprise me at all in Germany, actually. :o Can you provide a citation or link for that? People might need it. I don't know why people would think there are no laws governing minors competing for cash.
I just tried to say that the "crazy anti-fun laws" that skipdog172 mentioned, arent as unimaginable in germany as he thinks they are, I didnt say that they were true.
I actually checked the JuSchG (Jugendschutzgesetz, hard to translate, Laws to protect Children?) here. They dont mention Tournaments though, I tried looking it up because I thought the ESL were having the Age restriction because of our Rules(NOT SAY THAT THEY DO, I JUST THOUGHT THAT). They mention Lottery and Gambling, yet they wont apply here afair(as far as I can read).
Before you ask, they should be allowed to, since there are Teenage Athletes, right? Not necessarily, keep in mind that E-Sports are not legally Sports in Germany.
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On June 19 2013 05:35 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 05:32 semmeL wrote:On June 19 2013 05:30 ZenithM wrote:On June 19 2013 04:37 Race is Terran wrote:On June 19 2013 04:12 Lunchador wrote:
Age restriction for WCS Korea is 12. I think all the regions have their own rules when it comes to this. cant have them 11 year old prodigies wiping the floor against current named gosus Don't forget that SC2 has been rated T (Teen) by the ESRB. It says: "Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older". Blizzard (or god knows who :D) has to draw a line somewhere. The rating (T) doesnt mean u are not allowed to play it before. It's just a measurement for the parents who maybe are not so informed and only a general guideline. U don't have to follow it, atleast in our country. Something else with games on index or 18. Yeah but I mean, if Blizzard did enforce an age restriction like that for the WCS, they could easily justify that as a lower bound at least. I know the ratings don't really matter otherwise.
Yeah, could be some legal issues with showing people playing, who are underage, on stream with so many viewers.
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Im not sure wether that rule applies to Gaming... this is not about "work", its about Tournaments, isnt it? Not sure about legal stuff, ill ask a friend of mine that studies Law (or are you studying law too, maybe?)
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