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TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 20:45:17
June 18 2013 20:45 GMT
#41
Nah i got my diploma in maths many years ago.
Copuld be seen as work, or maybe there is also something for "competitions".
(man german law is a jungle lol)
semmeL
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany85 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 20:55:24
June 18 2013 20:46 GMT
#42
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to children/young people designated their age in public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.

Edit: oh also found the english official translation for that german children law in english
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 20:50:33
June 18 2013 20:48 GMT
#43
On June 19 2013 05:40 Daumen wrote:
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On June 19 2013 05:36 TumNarDok wrote:
12 years restriction for WCS KR Source:

http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=301345&cid=0&kind=8


one of 4 german laws regulating the work for teenagers (14-18)

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/jarbschg/__14.html

--
Still unknown though where the Blizzard rules came from, probably from their legal department after revisioning european laws.


Im not sure wether that rule applies to Gaming... this is not about "work", its about Tournaments, isnt it? Not sure about legal stuff, ill ask a friend of mine that studies Law (or are you studying law too, maybe?)

In the US, the prize money would be considered "income" and there are legal restrictions on that when it comes to minors. Law is generally not that cut and dry and judges decided how to apply them. So it is best to take a "better safe that sorry route" and jut assume the law applies to what you are doing.

On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to people complying with FSK requirements in the public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.


That's interesting. We don't have anything like that in the US. The more people look up, the more it seems like someone said "Fuck it, make the age 16 so we don't have to deal with the legal mine field."
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semmeL
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany85 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 20:59:40
June 18 2013 20:57 GMT
#44
something found in the official translation of german children law in english:

"§ 6 Gambling rooms, games of chance
(1)
Children
and
Adolescents
must not be permitted to be present in gambling rooms or
comparable gambling facilities.
(2) Participation of
Children
and
Adolescents
in games with prizes run in the public shall be
restricted to fun-fairs, folklore festivals and comparable events under the condition of low-
value prizes in kind. "

under point (2)

and Data Media Chapter3.. and so on
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
June 18 2013 20:58 GMT
#45
On June 19 2013 05:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 05:40 Daumen wrote:
On June 19 2013 05:36 TumNarDok wrote:
12 years restriction for WCS KR Source:

http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=301345&cid=0&kind=8


one of 4 german laws regulating the work for teenagers (14-18)

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/jarbschg/__14.html

--
Still unknown though where the Blizzard rules came from, probably from their legal department after revisioning european laws.


Im not sure wether that rule applies to Gaming... this is not about "work", its about Tournaments, isnt it? Not sure about legal stuff, ill ask a friend of mine that studies Law (or are you studying law too, maybe?)

In the US, the prize money would be considered "income" and there are legal restrictions on that when it comes to minors. Law is generally not that cut and dry and judges decided how to apply them. So it is best to take a "better safe that sorry route" and jut assume the law applies to what you are doing.

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to people complying with FSK requirements in the public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.


That's interesting. We don't have anything like that in the US. The more people look up, the more it seems like someone said "Fuck it, make the age 16 so we don't have to deal with the legal mine field."


Thats a pretty good desctiption... Minefield, i like that... also applies to the Tax rules in Germany... :D
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TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
June 18 2013 21:00 GMT
#46
On June 19 2013 05:48 Plansix wrote:

That's interesting. We don't have anything like that in the US. The more people look up, the more it seems like someone said "Fuck it, make the age 16 so we don't have to deal with the legal mine field."


Which is what i would do if i ran a gaming platform with 3 million gamers, half of which probably are starting with video games at like .. 11.. 12.

If anyone has expertise in the field then its yep ESL, and Blizzard has aswell, from now 10 years of running WoW.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 21:06:47
June 18 2013 21:06 GMT
#47
On June 19 2013 06:00 TumNarDok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 05:48 Plansix wrote:

That's interesting. We don't have anything like that in the US. The more people look up, the more it seems like someone said "Fuck it, make the age 16 so we don't have to deal with the legal mine field."


Which is what i would do if i ran a gaming platform with 3 million gamers, half of which probably are starting with video games at like .. 11.. 12.

If anyone has expertise in the field then its yep ESL, and Blizzard has aswell, from now 10 years of running WoW.


Oh I am sure there is a member of Blizzards legal department that just shoots down ideas all day. Most the the discussions must go like this:

Blizzard-Esports: We would like have anyone who can play our game sign up for WCS and compete. As long as they can reach a keyboard and mouse, we want them to be able to play.

Blizzard-Legal: I hope you don't want to vacation in Germany, England or Iceland, because they will arrest you when you land. You specifically, because you came up with the idea.

Blizzard-Esports: You know, you could just say its not allowed by law in those countries.

Blizzard-Legal: I did that before and people just tried to find ways around them. Now I just try to scare the shit out of people so they don't try.

It would be a lot like my discussions with our very silly clients.
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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
June 18 2013 21:07 GMT
#48
On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to children/young people designated their age in public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.

Edit: oh also found the english official translation for that german children law in english


SC2 is 12+
semmeL
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany85 Posts
June 18 2013 21:12 GMT
#49
On June 19 2013 06:07 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to children/young people designated their age in public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.

Edit: oh also found the english official translation for that german children law in english


SC2 is 12+


It's 12+ but read the Paragraph i posted above with prize money.
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 21:13:55
June 18 2013 21:13 GMT
#50
On June 19 2013 06:07 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to children/young people designated their age in public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.

Edit: oh also found the english official translation for that german children law in english


SC2 is 12+


It's actually 16+ in some region of Europe

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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
semmeL
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany85 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 21:18:20
June 18 2013 21:14 GMT
#51
On June 19 2013 06:13 Shodaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 06:07 Zocat wrote:
On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to children/young people designated their age in public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.

Edit: oh also found the english official translation for that german children law in english


SC2 is 12+


It's actually 16+ in some region of Europe

Box picture in spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


If its also 16+ in some regions of eruope, dunno with laws and whatever if u allow someone resident in another part of europe to play it in germany and so on... will get complicated i think. Or dont know maybe not.

But i think the part with prize money is also a big part.
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german children law in english
(2) Participation of
Children
and
Adolescents
in games with prizes run in the public shall be
restricted to fun-fairs, folklore festivals and comparable events under the condition of low-
value prizes in kind. "
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
June 18 2013 21:19 GMT
#52
He took an aging potion and tricked Dumbledore's age restriction line.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
June 18 2013 22:07 GMT
#53
On June 19 2013 06:13 Shodaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 06:07 Zocat wrote:
On June 19 2013 05:46 semmeL wrote:
http://www.bmfsfj.de/BMFSFJ/gesetze,did=5350.html

looket that up. "... video games only allowed to give to children/young people designated their age in public..", same applies to new medias (i assume streaming etc would be under these things). So legal problems to show people playing games not their age for the public.

Edit: oh also found the english official translation for that german children law in english


SC2 is 12+


It's actually 16+ in some region of Europe

Box picture in spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



Thanks for your post, I checked my German-Wings of Liberty Box: USK 12
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
June 18 2013 22:09 GMT
#54
Blizzard enforces 12 as an age restriction cause it's a Teen rated game, right?
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