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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 17 2013 15:19 GMT
#31
I think this will suit better for me than the PYP game, and the start date sounds good.
Now that i actually have time to play;

/in
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 17 2013 17:44 GMT
#38
On June 18 2013 02:31 HiroPro wrote:
PTP doesn't have a set number of players. I believe deconduo is starting that game in two days with however many signups he has.

The only reason I have that rule is so that people who aren't really interested in any of the other games in signups have a game to play in and because people tend to not put in full effort when they're part of multiple games.


Well i originally joined PYP for the reason i thought no other game was going to start. That game does not really interest me that much, as i think i am really bad at making a role that is interesting and fun to play with. Also that game has more players than this one and i would prefer a smaller game.

At least I'm okay if you decide i'm not allowed to play, but i would really like to. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 17 2013 17:45 GMT
#39
EBWOP: PTP, not PYP.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 08:31 GMT
#314
##Vote: yamato77
He said he has a good portion of town reads and some worri-some. When asked about it they apparently were all null-reads besides OO.

Hapa why are you so eager to believe yamato's explanation because it's full of shit?
Coag, do you have anything to comment on other than your desire to lynch marv?

I'm inclined to think Oats is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 08:41 GMT
#316
On June 21 2013 16:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
well my point is that as scum I feel he wouldve been way more helpful than so far as town cause he doesnt care about being lynched as town but he cares as scum.

This was about ShiaoPi. I don't agree with this Oats. In LXI ShiaoPi was definitely not helpful at any time and was caught with Clarity on N1. Only think that saved him from being lynched quicker was his weird "i'm lost" behaviour on D3.

Where do you base this feel of yours Oats?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 08:42 GMT
#317
EBWOP: sorry, his behaviour on D2.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 08:45 GMT
#319
Was he scum or town? And why would you use meta based on only one game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 08:58 GMT
#323
On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read?

It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not?

What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it?

On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.

Do you remember from top of your head which game that was?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:09 GMT
#326
How about commenting the yamato question DP?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:11 GMT
#327
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:23 GMT
#331
Oats, is your town-read on ShiaoPi based on meta or not?

Here's what i've gathered so far regarding that:
You are saying ShiaoPi would care about not being lynched more as scum than as town. Reading his filter from I swear mini half-supports your argument (he was "trying to scumhunt" and was active). It does not fully support your argument (see later why). However, what happened in LXI is not suppoting this. And then this; ShiaoPi has not played town apparently after last
September. Now, dear Oats, why are you making a meta-case on someone based on their first post, which is flip-floppy, say that you only look at their recent games. Because you can't do a meta-case like you described. You yourself debunked your argument and now you are using that as an argument to NOT look into his games that are not recent.

You got some explaining to do here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:29 GMT
#334
On June 21 2013 18:19 DarthPunk wrote:
About Yamato. His explanation just came across as genuine. Like he was backtracking and stuff but it seemed natural. And reasonably townie. Obviously Yamato leaving as soon as he ceased to be under pressure looks bad and he definitely needs to be looked at if he doesn't step up his game tomorrow.

Did his explanations not seem genuine to you?

Like I don't get how you could be so confident he is scum.

No, his explanation did not seem genuine to me. He said he has town-reads and worrisome reads. When asked about that, thay were actually the following:

"Some people that are not worth looking into yet, as they will prove their towniness/scumminess later"
"Some people that are worth looking into now because they are hard to read or he has no idea how they play"
"A town-read on OO because ballsy read on Oats" i think this is weak reasoning.

Can you explain to me how this looks genuine? Because to me this looks just like what yamato did in Red, where he made a shitty case on D1 and backpedalled from it with bullshit reasons and was figured out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:30 GMT
#335
marv, thoughts on yamato, hapa and DP.

go!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:37 GMT
#338
Do you buy yamato's explanation on his "reads"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:45 GMT
#346
So the correct way to play scum apparently is to say "everyone is town" and when you are asked about it they are "all null besides that one guy"? Is this really what you are saying marv?

Do you think yamato is that bad as town and absolutely wouldn't do that as scum? It's kind of an easy way to say "there is nothing to comment on now, i wanna be friends with you all".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:46 GMT
#347
On June 21 2013 18:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote:
On June 21 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv,
how do you get the conclusion that yamato is over-confident from him saying he has no clue who is SCUM and only who is town?



Also why is shiao pi scum?


Because yamato is handing out townreads like candy, as if he can read that many people that quickly.

Shiao is mafia for that horrible, lazy comment on yamato, with no followup.

you know, he didnt really say everyone was town, he said that DP and coag didnt look like town.
Dont you think his reasons for calling DP scum bullshit?

Actually yamato said "there are a lot of players i have a town read on".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 09:55 GMT
#353
marv, the bottom line here is that they were not town-reads in the first place. They were null-reads besides OO.
I know yamato is over-confident as town, why can't he mask that play as scum? I understand it might not be the case here but i'm worried about people taking his words at face-value (in case he is actually town).

I want him to explain himself, why would you call someone town who you think is actually null?

I want people to explain why they are taking yamato's bullshit reads at face value when he "corrects" them.

Do you, marv, take everything at face value when someone just says they "made a mistake"? Or is it only yamato?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 10:10 GMT
#357
What Oats just said. Marv, can you back up this meta-read on yamato somehow? I'll give you a hint, look at LXI & Red and you'll find out what's different in town!yamato's arrogance compared to scum!yamato. I'll give you another hint, you can't.

yamato is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 10:24 GMT
#364
On June 21 2013 19:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv and rayn, what do you guys think of ange?

Her questions seem a bit out of the place. She says Coag needs investigating but is questioning other people. I liked her question about your ShiaoPi read though as that's exactly what i thought at that time. I don't get how she questions your "bad reasoning for reads" and then says you "have reasoned your reads well enough" after with little to no questioning about them.

She's worth looking into and atm i would label her more likely to be scum than town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 21 2013 10:32 GMT
#367
Why can't you marv understand that this is not what yamato is saying. He is sayiong "the whole town is fine besides X and Y" and when asked about it he is saying "actually the whole town is null, including X and Y, besides Z".

I think that's very different what you just said here.
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