Hey all, here is a little map I made a while back but never really released officially. I submitted it to TLMC #2, but I didn't know if anyone liked it or not until monk said it was in his top 25. Anyway, one of the knocks on the map was the feeling that the third base is too hard for protoss. I had debated that in my mind, but thought that the third being tucked away was enough to make up for that. Anyway, what do you guys think? Should the 3rd be tweaked to be easier?

Verdant Mountain

Overview:
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Antares777

United States1971 Posts

June 13 2013 01:06 GMT

The middle low ground expansions look very difficult to hold from either spawn. The two thirds are set up nicely so there is one safer choice and one more aggressive one. Beyond that, however, the line between your bases and your opponent's bases becomes confusing. There expansion pattern is a bit unclear to me.

The obstructions in the high ground areas on both sides of the map are going to add to tactical gameplay in a good way. However, the pools might need to be shrunk a little bit. Test games should determine whether or not those areas are too choked or not.

The aesthetics are nice--you can easily distinguish between the three terrain levels and there is a clear theme for the map. The lava off to the side is a nice addition, especially since it isn't overkill. People tend to not like too much lava, and this seems to be a good amount.

Meerel

Germany713 Posts

June 13 2013 01:38 GMT

i like the water, nice setting you got there. besides that the third is still too open, just block the second entrance with that rdm rock that lays right next to it.

(which you just removed^^)

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

June 13 2013 01:43 GMT

Fwiw, Morrow ranked this very highly.

Qwyn

United States2779 Posts

June 13 2013 02:00 GMT

Aesthetics are really well done - maximum use of the tileset. Really good use of space, too - everything looks quite clean.

TheHuman

7 Posts

June 13 2013 02:47 GMT

After you take a 4th, getting another base looks a bit difficult. Other than that the map looks good.

lorestarcraft

United States1049 Posts

June 13 2013 03:14 GMT

On June 13 2013 10:38 Meerel wrote:
i like the water, nice setting you got there. besides that the third is still too open, just block the second entrance with that rdm rock that lays right next to it.

(which you just removed^^)

Ah, yeah, that was actually over a litte "mini-base" that I later removed for TLMC. I will play with the thirds.

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

June 13 2013 08:29 GMT

Really like the aesthetics.

I think PvZ would be fine taking the lowground 3rd. It's pretty narrow. It's comparably to belshir vestige in distance to natural and intervening openness and paths. You can also warp in from the main base and use pylon power to start a cannon if need be.

My only problem is actually the potential 4th 1/7 oclock base. Seems maybe a little easy expanding in that direction and close/protected by the center 5th. If the 1/7 was moved more to the corner and maybe had a more isolate entrance it'd be possible to take that base for either player in either expansion pattern which I think would be really cool on this map. Overall small complaint though.

What about ditching the tower?

Fatam

1986 Posts

June 13 2013 08:38 GMT

I think the thirds as they appear now are pretty cool. I could see you maybe narrowing that lowground choke slightly or adding rocks as mereel said. Since even w/ a narrow choke that third would be somewhat dangerous w/ the highground there. But the concept is good I think.

I also think ambiguous expansion patterns can be cool. I don't know why, but a lot of players/mapmakers/etc. seem to think they should always be able to expand in a straight line on any map, and/or there should be a clear 6 bases on each side of the map and that "their" expos shouldn't realistically be takeable by the opponent. I think maps should make you struggle, and players should battle for positioning (or sometimes even expos) :-P

But maybe I'm living in an idealist bubble lol

edit - path posted @ same time

I think that 4th isn't too bad, considering you definitely have to cover a good 25-30 more squares to the left or right to defend it. Plus the 5th seems pretty tough.