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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On June 09 2013 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: dude that venn diagram is the single greatest thing i've ever done for tl mafia i'm 100% srs I'm going to respond to every meta-case you write with that image from now until the end of time :3 | ||
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Hapahauli
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##Vote Mayor: ShaioPi | ||
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Hapahauli
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Why do you want to be elected mayor? I like it when people run campaigns, but I detest joke campaigns. On June 09 2013 14:12 Sylencia wrote: Pretty sure you can tell from my track record that I really only roll non-VT when I force myself into a themed game  Also, we won't know what these powers/restrictions are until the election is over so there's no real point trying to work it out. In which case everyone ends up voting themselves as the 'optimal' route? We have quite a few people in for discussion now, but what is there to discuss at the moment.. Obviously none of this is remotely sufficient rationale to vote for you. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Becuase ShaioPi (a.k.a the most lurky, passive, disinterested scum-player ever) is running a mayoral campaign. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I find it hard to believe that you processed everything I said and completely trusted my explanation in a span of 7 minutes. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I'm getting the feeling this will be an easy game. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 09 2013 14:44 jampidampi wrote: I looked at his filters from his two previous scum games. In 7 minutes... really? I understand how someone could draw the conclusion, but it's the timeframe that's quite surprising. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Good times. Good times. | ||
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... Hapa: Can you aid me in not being distracted by this post of yours? When I give early-D1 town-reads, my goal isn't to be 100% accurate and completely ignore analyzing a person for the rest of the game. My primary objective behind giving early-D1 town-reads is to get discussion started and to fish for reactions. I've found that it is the most natural way for me to talk early and start meaningful discussion. That's not to say that my town-reads are completely unjustified. For example, I firmly believe that ShaioPi is town, due to how absurdly different his current mayoral campaign is from any of his scum-games I've ever seen. Likewise, I believe you're town because a) your early-game burst of posting sounds like a townie excited to play, and b) this latest post by you shows a level of critical thinking beyond the capacity of what I evaluate your scum-game to be capable of. As for my read on jampi in particular, this post struck me as absurdly genuine: On June 09 2013 15:00 jampidampi wrote: I have a lot of subconscious reasons to trust you. 1. You were my coach in a newbie 2. You were my hydra partner and we were town 3. I haven't read a scum game of yours Also, cookies It's a very blunt, honest, and complete picture of his thought-process. Scum under pressure would likely fudge some answer about how ShiaoPi's meta is so obvious on a simple readthrough of his past scum-games. Instead, jampi is using a lot of arguments that scum would be incredibly scared of using. Like what scum would admit that they haven't read one of my scum-games before deciding to trust me? Now to emphasize, this does not mean that I'll forget about Jampi for the rest of the game because I think he's confirmed town. Rather, a good portion of the reason I'm making these reads is to make people start actually talking about reads/analysis and to direct my early-game focus. Also, I'm usually pretty accurate with my early-game reads :3 | ||
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Hapahauli
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Voting for the sake of opposition/discussion-starting is OK, however not at the expense of ignoring all the other discussion happening in the thread. Like Shaio's mayoral campaign is a perfectly good topic for discussion. I don't understand why you think an unjustified vote for a person who's not even running a serious campaign would somehow be a better way to start discussion or even pro-town for that matter. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Also a last note about early-game reads... every read someone makes early D1 is completely worthless. Early D1 is only about getting people to talk, and that's it. It is always important re-consider every single one your reads and start from scratch when the D1 lynch gets close. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hard for me to tell what you consider a serious campaign vs a joke campaign. Does someone who does a post like ShiaoPi's count as a serious campaign or not? If so, it's hard for me to take your vote for mayor seriously. Shiao is town, so srs vs. not srs doesn't apply as much because I trust him. I'm also voting him because he's a really strong town-player in his own right. In all honesty, I'm not going to push for myself to be the mayor, I haven't had enough experience to really know how to use these roles well and it'd be more suited to another. Ok, that's all I needed to hear ^^ | ||
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Hapahauli
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Was this vote purely because he mayor voted for someone you didn't want to be mayor? You've mentioned having a mayor vote on someone who isn't seriously running for it to be bad, but does that make him scum? I'd like to see the link in reasoning for that. Because his vote made very little sense, even for his stated objective of creating discussion. @ Jampi On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign. @Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. I am voting him currently, so the latter. @ Vayne I didn't really see any discussion besides you spamming YO U TOWN BRO YA U T00 and shaio giving out cookies. If that's discussion then by all means, continue. I don't even think there is enough people to form a scum team after all the free passes you gave out. Ok, so how is dropping a vote on someone not even running a serious mayoral campaign a better way of creating discussion? Much less one that's completely unjustified and that provides absolutely nothing to discuss? | ||
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Hapahauli
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##Unvote Vayne He's cool. Drawing attention to yourself like that in the early-game with an intentionally terrible unjustified vote is probably not a scum move. Maybe for some other players, but not for Vayne. Also, he seems to take a somewhat condescending attitude in all his games. Though he seems to pick fights for the sake of picking fights in his last mafia, while he's more productive with his arguments in town-games. On June 10 2013 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: hapa read on discussion between me and stutters and me and vayne? Leaning town on Vayne (for reasons mentioned above) Leaning lurker on Stutters Too early to tell about you, since you're capable of burst-posting as town or scum. I think I have some ways to read you, but that'll be later in the day. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Since you're both hesitant about Shaio's candidacy, some questions: 1) What qualities would you consider "ideal" mayoral qualities? 2) If you were to pick anyone in this town to run (regardless of if they want to run or not), who would you vote based on the thread so far? | ||
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Hapahauli
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So are you running for mayor? Even if I thought you were town, you have a history of sub-optimal power-role play, so I would be hesitant voting you even if I thought you were town. Also knowing Shaio's meta, do you really think he's capable of what he's doing as scum? Also, why is he not qualified to be mayor in your eyes? Do you have any other reads/observations so far? | ||
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