[N] Sicilian Mafia Style

On June 30 2013 20:42 layabout wrote:
As far as i can tell there are 14 people signed up
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of course many may have forgotten but we need another 7!

On July 16 2013 12:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's important that people are transparent about who they choose to PM. If you aren't, you better have a damn good reason not to. The only good reason for being secretive is that it would somehow reveal yourself as a blue or is necessary for your plans to catch scum.

What are we looking for? Odd player choices. PMs are our chance to put direct pressure on people we have suspicions of without going over our post limits. If someone is trying to influence your opinions/manipulate you via PM you need to call them out in thread. If someone uses PMs to buddy to you by telling you they have complete trust that you are town, that's a red alarm. I don't see why town needs to have a PM line with another townie like that. I think discussing the PM dynamics and any plans/thoughts regarding it is a good starting off point for this game.

ALSO - Look out for those who waste their post limits on empty posts/spam then make an excuse later.

For example - "I had some good points to make yesterday but I went over post limit before I wrote my case and....."

On July 16 2013 12:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's important that people are transparent about who they choose to PM. If you aren't, you better have a damn good reason not to. The only good reason for being secretive is that it would somehow reveal yourself as a blue or is necessary for your plans to catch scum.

What are we looking for? Odd player choices. PMs are our chance to put direct pressure on people we have suspicions of without going over our post limits. If someone is trying to influence your opinions/manipulate you via PM you need to call them out in thread. If someone uses PMs to buddy to you by telling you they have complete trust that you are town, that's a red alarm. I don't see why town needs to have a PM line with another townie like that. I think discussing the PM dynamics and any plans/thoughts regarding it is a good starting off point for this game.

ALSO - Look out for those who waste their post limits on empty posts/spam then make an excuse later.

For example - "I had some good points to make yesterday but I went over post limit before I wrote my case and....."

On July 16 2013 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, if someone gets anonymously pardoned the suspicion will obviously be on me. There is no reason i should have claimed as mafia. There is no reason i should have not claimed as town.

On July 16 2013 21:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wtf is this bullshit.
Total fucking retardness.

Malongo, Koshi and kholly, start playing the game.

Kholly, why is DrH scum? Also there is a voting thread.

Malongo, why is MZ being polarizing a scumtell?

Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS.

Ok so scumteam is probably,
VE, sloosh, FT and other dudes. Everyone else that has posted I think is town.
Anyone that has strong disagreements for any of my reads, please explain why.

On July 16 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Does this make me mafia somehow and if it does, how exactly?

So you are voting for DrH because he is telling people to tell the thread who are they masoned with?
If that's true, what do you think of other people who agree with this idea. Me & Hapa mainly?

yamato, why are you not voting for VE if you think he is scum?
MZ, does yamatos "horrible post" make him mafia? What exactly is horrible in that post?

On July 16 2013 22:43 gumshoe wrote:


I played the nuclear mafia game, and the game before with him as town. Both times he got into early conflicts like this by being transparent. Also how is the nuclear mafia game indicative of his scum play? He was town.

In regards to pms, what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? Absolutely nothing, the whole point of pms is that mafia can no longer benefit from certain discussions in any way. Unless scum is being pmed in which case they already know and are already privy to the conversation. How is knowing whose communicating with who more useful for scum then town? If town knows they can co-ordinate a chain, ie I mason D.H then D.H chains oats and oats can pm me through the intermediately (oats mentioned everything one pming him making him the universal intermediatery but thats dumb, and risky). Naturally though the chain requires trust like all things but when done right it allows a certain degree of thread coordination.

The only threat of being open is mafia disrupting pm relationships. This is actually a bit of a problem seeing as we only get one pm, which is why I suggest not mass masoning D.H or someone else, if you must pm an intermediatery you trust.

Other stuff. Tofu: The argument that he pre typed his first post therefore its bad is silly, he ultimately decided to post it. Which is all that really matters, from there just ask yourself, did you find his post helpful? Was it maybe scum trying to comment on setup for easy townie points? Maybe, I personally think his thoughts were helpful (ie the growing risk of the traitor, therefore best to tackle him when he reaches his personal zenith) but if your going to attack him about the post do it for valid reasons.

D.H, Im really going to be wary of people who try to spend alot of there posts early in the day cycle, which Dh has, not being able to fight back is a great excuse and paints the accuser as a villain, im sure at least one or two scum will attempt something of this vien before the games through. His commenting on pming is fine, neither her nor there, its setup stuff to get the ball rolling but the point is hes getting the ball rolling. Which is townie to an extent. What I also really like is that he pressed Tofu and then backed off when he was satisfied with tofus response people please do not leave accusations hanging in the air, they will burn posts and actively hurt town, this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another. I think Dh's behaviour here strikes me as a townie trying to get the most out of as little as possible, so he reads green to me for now.

Thats about it.

On July 16 2013 23:16 gumshoe wrote:


I dont care what game you think your playing but were going to need more than that, transparency between townies still matters, dont breadcrumb unless your willing to spit out whatever your trying to say or pm it to the relevant party. And even despite that hiding behind pms is not townie play and I will press anyone who also feels the need to do the above in a smartass way. You are also implying that only a vote backed by an accusation matters, which is bullshit, scum want to throw as much at the fan as possible without getting any backlash and casually calling people scummy without voting them is a great way to do so. I didn't vote for him is a terrible defence. I will vote for you though until you can explain what you mean in thread or through a pm to me or someone I trust, and back up/ drop your Rayne shitflinging.

##Vote: Kholly

On July 17 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rofl, fu scum. I am now confirmed town.

I am (was) in PM contact with Oats.
gumshoe chose to mason me.

Logs will be provided no later than N1. Both of gumshoe and Oats are town for sure, so is DrH.

On July 16 2013 22:43 gumshoe wrote:


I played the nuclear mafia game, and the game before with him as town. Both times he got into early conflicts like this by being transparent. Also how is the nuclear mafia game indicative of his scum play? He was town.

In regards to pms, what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? Absolutely nothing, the whole point of pms is that mafia can no longer benefit from certain discussions in any way. Unless scum is being pmed in which case they already know and are already privy to the conversation. How is knowing whose communicating with who more useful for scum then town? If town knows they can co-ordinate a chain, ie I mason D.H then D.H chains oats and oats can pm me through the intermediately (oats mentioned everything one pming him making him the universal intermediatery but thats dumb, and risky). Naturally though the chain requires trust like all things but when done right it allows a certain degree of thread coordination.

The only threat of being open is mafia disrupting pm relationships. This is actually a bit of a problem seeing as we only get one pm, which is why I suggest not mass masoning D.H or someone else, if you must pm an intermediatery you trust.

Other stuff. Tofu: The argument that he pre typed his first post therefore its bad is silly, he ultimately decided to post it. Which is all that really matters, from there just ask yourself, did you find his post helpful? Was it maybe scum trying to comment on setup for easy townie points? Maybe, I personally think his thoughts were helpful (ie the growing risk of the traitor, therefore best to tackle him when he reaches his personal zenith) but if your going to attack him about the post do it for valid reasons.

D.H, Im really going to be wary of people who try to spend alot of there posts early in the day cycle, which Dh has, not being able to fight back is a great excuse and paints the accuser as a villain, im sure at least one or two scum will attempt something of this vien before the games through. His commenting on pming is fine, neither her nor there, its setup stuff to get the ball rolling but the point is hes getting the ball rolling. Which is townie to an extent. What I also really like is that he pressed Tofu and then backed off when he was satisfied with tofus response people please do not leave accusations hanging in the air, they will burn posts and actively hurt town, this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another. I think Dh's behaviour here strikes me as a townie trying to get the most out of as little as possible, so he reads green to me for now.

Thats about it.

On July 17 2013 11:55 gumshoe wrote:


Ooooooooh you were responding to me, yeah my bad, I made a mistake early on, didn't bother clarifying, if you wanna vote me for it be my guest, also why won't you mason me?

On July 17 2013 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think in that second quote you attributed one of Rayn's quotes to gumshoe didn't you MZ? Kinda cornfusing because of the quotefail in there, but I think it was Rayn who said that sir.

On July 17 2013 13:27 kushm4sta wrote:
4th post I think
2 completely inconsequential comments:

why is the new meta on this site writing complicated, long shit that you need amazing reading comprehension to even understand?

also 20 posts is way too much. I mean I have no fear to post retarded shit like this because i still have at least 15 more posts which I will never even come close to using today

On July 18 2013 10:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

God, I'm not keeping track of my own posts. Your logic is easier for me to follow in this game and I don't disagree with anything you've said. This lynch reminds me of GMarshal in "the Game" where people just started saying "Hey X is acting kinda different, lynch him!" and not actually paying attention to anything he is saying

On July 16 2013 12:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
During the day, a player may give 5 of their posts to another player in the game. A single player can only receive at most 5 posts per cycle.

The posting restriction will be enforced in a semi strict manner. I'm not going to modkill you immediately, but I will warn first and depending on the second offense it could be a modkill, or a second warning. Obviously going over by one or two posts is not a huge deal but going over by 5-10 posts would be considered exceptionally bad.

On July 18 2013 11:41 Malongo wrote:

Meh he is the second to claim anyways. Old retards, new retards... no difference.

On July 19 2013 05:48 Korynne wrote:
I'm totally listening to that song right now because of you Ace, thanks.

Also wtf yeah gumshoe why were you so harsh? o-O I was merely asking why you were pushing for people to specifically mason you when they didn't know who to mason, instead of their most town read for example. I have no idea why you would react that harshly towards me because of such a simple question. >_<;;

Also I never said Rayn was my scummiest read. I just found his play very weird and wanted to get a better understanding of why he did certain actions because I would not have done so in his position if I was town.

Also please don't be a hypocrite. Telling me that calling townies bad (I said he was either really good scum or a bad townie) when you literally say "as scum or town you are the worst kind of player" and you're the one saying "pretty much extrapolates my being incompetent from a single thing that they personally didn't like or found distasteful." I never said you're incompetent or even remotely hinted at it, I merely asked you a question.

No I don't have a case against you, I was never trying to make one. Why the hell are you putting quotes around something I never /ever/ said?? I NEVER said I didn't like you, I NEVER said you had no mason buddies. What the fuck. I never wasted space posting this, I spend 2 lines asking you a question, and now you flipped your shit at me...

What I'm saying with the VE lynch was that 1. VE did not try to kill himself (duh) he was just picking MZ over Sloosh, 2. knolly probably didn't know that VE changed his vote that late (I didn't see your post when I posted mine and even refreshed after) so I don't think it was to kill VE. Last minute votes are always going to be heavily scrutinized and that's about the stupidest way you could try to kill day vigi as scum. (Personally I'd probably just AFK after the claim so I didn't have to change my vote from VE, or after enough momentum builds on MZ come in and say oh no guys we can't lynch VE #unvote)

Again I don't know why you have so much disdain for me for the 2 lines of text I wrote, as a question, directed to you. D: There's no reason for this kind of language "want me to respond to some idiotic far fetched idea of yours" and assume all this shit when I was just asking a question. Holy shit.

"Other wise give your posts to somebody who actually knows whats going on, cause you clearly dont."
"but please for the love of Palmer stop calling people who you think are townie bad, you damage him and yourself when you do so and you risk more worthless posts."


Are you fucking serious gumshoe? I would like an apology for your hypocritical ass.

And yes, this post is mostly fluff and directed at gumshoe because I am slightly emotionally distraught at this shit. It's been a while since I've played mafia, I come back and some guy calls me completely fucking useless from 3 posts and a question I directed at him. I'm not going to use up 10 posts tonight, so yes I am going to use 10% of my posts to talk to you gumshoe because as a human being you have upset me. >_>

On July 19 2013 07:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
That's beautiful FT, I'm glad some people use their brains.