EPT[N] Sicilian Mafia Style
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On July 06 2013 17:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Me and Ver just recently wrapped up our stuff, I definitely have time now. We will post something in the next day or two clarifying some points brought up earlier and announcing a start date. As of now, sign ups are open and the game will commence as soon as we have the requisite number of people. Sexy! I am really thrilled to start another game. | ||
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On the other hand, I really like this game, I don't see why I cant play 6 hours mafia a day instead of 6 hours DotA and SC2. So if I am allowed, Ver, I would like to still play in this game. I will die somewhere anyway eventually. | ||
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Why would big plays be bad? If somebody believes he can catch scum, he should try it and explain later. People are going to do stupid shit anyway; why not do stupid things on purpose with the purpose to find scum. So I frown on that point, sounds like a reason to say in the future "I said big plays are bad, now let me tunnel you' "I said lying is bad, now let me tunnel you" Just like his opening post, a lot of things can be done to create conversation and to bait people. Big plays and lying is a part of that. I think that everybody here knows that lying brings big risks for your own health. On July 16 2013 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think there is something you should all know. I am a pardoner. I tried to think how i could use my power in combination with PM's to it's full benefit and came into conclusion there is no way not to claim will help town. The pardoning can be done vai PM's to the hosts, i don't need to announce it in thread. There is nothing good coming out from me using it, only confusion and distraction, so i will not use my power ever. This makes me think scum have one too. This post is so scummy. Is rayn saying that he will not use his power to save somebody that is in his eyes 100% town? Or 90% town, or 80% town? Never? Isn't it a great tool to once just pardon a guy that you think is town. While scum might have taken risks to make the lynch happen. Endgame this could have been so powerful. Why did rayn share this with us? If you don't use it. keep quiet about it. Maybe you find a reason in the future. By claiming that you have it I got a feeling you want to use it later anyway to get some town kred. I really don't get why you claim that. #vote raynpelikoneet (unless I am missing something here?) I also got a couple questions, they might seem noob but I just want to verify: 1) Can we post PMs our mason made? This would mean that you can give more than 5 posts to your mason right? He just communicates through PM to you, and you copy paste in chat. Is this allowed? I see a chatlog posted and I am surprised. 2) In a normal game communication outside the thread is not allowed right? Even if you are 2 brothers playing the game you can't talk to each other about the game. Pure in theory. | ||
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So I have been staring at this thread for over 3 hours now, 2 hours yesterday and now and hour before typing this, and I have come to the conclusion that I can't bring an extra perspective on a lot of these accusations between people. I understand what I am reading, but I can't analyze it further and give it even more meaning. Like this whole discussion between DH and Tofu, I read everything, even the logs from Rayn, and I can't even get a small feeling in my head/gut if somebody is scum. So I am going to give up on trying to get a gut feeling while reading stuff, I will just read it and move on. Instead I am going to keep giving my view on things. It would be great if people I target don't ignore what I say even though it sounds simple/dumb, otherwise I am just going to keep being lost. You can reply to me while making gigantic posts about other people obviously, don't waste a post on me alone. About Oatsmaster You comment on my first post being useless, however, you have made useless post yourself. I wonder why you do that if you feel so strongly about wasting posts. + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: oh god this type of player. On July 17 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: gumshoe is scum. Confirmed KILL. @ VisceraEyes After reading your log I don’t like that first post you made. You ask people to Mason you, but you imply that it would be dumb to do so because there are better choices. I just don’t like that entire paragraph, then following it up with another paragraph why you should be very safe using your Mason ability Your first part is you saying that you will number your posts because you want to remind yourself that you can’t spam. Which is great, because each time that you write your postcount on the bottom you can reread what you post and evaluate if it is good enough. But look at your posts: You vote for DH because his first 12 posts are bad. Do you know you are on 9/18 now? How do your posts make you feel? You also claim that you fakevoted for DH to bait out response, and when kholly does, he goes straight to the top of your scumlist for that reason only. Between that you made 2 posts one being a pretty useless inactive list and in the other one you defended yourself for making that inactive list. After that you defend yourself for putting Wiggles on your scumlist, You donated 2 posts to DH (he already had gotten 3), you clarified something and finally you commented on Chez making an appearance. So.. VE you are quite useless, and since you voted Malongo for that reason I think you should feel pretty bad about yourself. @Gumshoe: Why are you so active in this game? I am referring to your play in the Nuclear game. You got killed in the lynch of day 3. Because you only cared to post one time over a timespan of 144 hours. I am bitter about that. @Malongo: Let’s ignore the filter list for the people in this game that you made, even though it’s handy for people without TL+ .Thus ignore the referral post to it that you made. Hmm, better also ignore the 5 post you gave to DH while he already received 8 and 5 is the maximum. Oh and saying that Echelon tree outed in a post instead of PM to the host is not very useful, lets also ignore that. We are left with you voting MZ for a “reason”. Ahye, and you speaking Finnish. I am going to leave it at this for the moment. Any suggestion on who to Mason? I would like somebody that can chat during European times and that can help me a bit around. | ||
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In his first post VE says he wants to be Masoned, which I see as a town sign, but because he adds so many reasons to actually not mason him. I find it suspicious. I also find it suspicious that he makes posts that generate posts to reply on. 1a) Give a list of inactives 1b) Make an apology post about it (you know someone was going to call you out on it) 2a) Fake claim HZ 2b) Say that you fakeclaimed HZ to bait scum, but people that react to it on nr1 scumlist (ezpz scumreading) 3a) but wiggles on scumlist wirthout to much reasoning 3b) defend your wiggles on scumlist (looks a bit like 1b) I wouldn't find it too strange in a normal game, but in this limited post game it stands out to other people. My case on Malongo is just saying Malongo his posting behaviour is really bad. Really really bad. This time I have not ##voted yet because of the fiasco with rayn. I want some feedback first. Thx. | ||
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Reason: I don't have much to say and I hope he is able to keep me from the lynchtable on Day 1 by making posts that make others look worse than me. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:19 gumshoe wrote: So your mad at me for playing more townie? I can go ahead and lurk again if you like, I was not as interested in the last game because I was coming off a crushing loss in Basterd mafia, if you want an example of my actual town play read that game, that and I didnt get any nukes, bad of me yes, but not at all a good reason to call me scum. Townie play is townie play. Why are you threatening me with lurking? Do you know I am town? Maybe I couldn't care less if you lurked... | ||
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Reason: I am now on 8/14 and will go to bed in an hour. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: why is gumshoe voting for viscera in here but actually voting for firmtofu in the voting thread? The posts are at almost the same time. ##Vote slOosh On July 18 2013 03:09 HiroPro wrote: VE do you even realize that Malongo has never posted anything about sloosh? In other news, I'm like 95% certain that sloosh is mafia. I don't understand this. Why are you guys after Sloosh? | ||
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VE just made a big post and I believe he proved that he is willing to keep doing that in future days. Malongo isn't doing anything and I am afraid he might up being a lurker for the rest of this game. Or keep doing these stupid posts. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:35 slOosh wrote: What has VE accomplished with his big post? He drops his main scum read that he has had all day, to follow general thread sentiment. How is his big post in any means a useful contribution? Nothing, but at least he posted something. What has Malongo done? Who will be easier to read, the guy that posts or the guy that doesn't post. I need a good reason not to vote Malongo. | ||
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Would you say that you are playing different from the Nuclear game? If so, what is different? | ||
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#vote Malongo | ||
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@ VA: I saw you made a case on me. ---> I made a good case on VE for that time being. I think everybody would agree with that? I was the first to make a case vs VE so you can’t say I was sheeping. Obviously people are going to see the same things… However, your case vs me was out of the blue. I give you that. Ace, FirmTofu (I pasted those 2 guys red but it's a very weak read, a little bit higher than the othe VE voters because I know these 2) Ace, you were scum in the nuclear game, and I am getting the same vibe from you now. Why do you say that you will sheep DH (which is a town read for me) and then go kill a vigilante that DH didn't vote on. On July 18 2013 11:45 Ace wrote: I see him say "I am America". How did this get taken as a serious claim? Are people putting words in VE's mouth? If he did in fact claim my vote will stay. Otherwise I'm just unvoting. This is a silly post. My bet, you knew that you didn't have to unvote while making the post. But meh, you played lackluster in the nuke game. Maybe you still are. FirmTofu, I am somewhat surprised that you are not the raving madman from the nuclear game. The nuclear game was/is my first real game and you stood out for your aggressive pursuing. While your 180 on VE was surprising. Especially your defensive stand on him, I haven’t seen that side from you. That’s why I asked that question to you yesterday, I actually wanted to vote for you. But decided not to because you were pissing off DH so much that I think he will take a good look at you know. Anyway, I see you more as an attacker than a defender. While yesterday you were defending. Maybe too many scums on VE train already? That’s my take on current events. I think my Day 2 will be closesly following the guys that voted VE and FirmTofu. | ||
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On July 19 2013 21:22 gumshoe wrote: Loooooooool I did my job XD. Glhf everyone, I can gg in peace. I didn't see that you actually saved somebody. grtz wp gg! | ||
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Oatsmaster: Voted for VE 1 minute after the voting thread was created and never took his vote off VE. (wtf) But that being said, Oats left for bed before VE made his (15/15) post and before VE claimed America. On July 20 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + [17:07:52] <Oatsmaster> can you look through gumshoe's filter and see if he breadcrumbed anything about his defence? [17:07:00] <Oatsmaster> cause that guy is confirmed town [17:07:17] <raynpelik0neet> what do you mean by "his defence"? [17:07:30] <Oatsmaster> like bodyguard shit [17:07:33] <Oatsmaster> i think its marv [17:07:35] <Oatsmaster> but I dunno [17:07:27] <raynpelik0neet> what, i don't follow [17:07:33] <raynpelik0neet> can you walk me through it [17:07:40] <Oatsmaster> gumshoe is a bodyguard [17:07:43] <raynpelik0neet> yeah and died [17:07:53] <Oatsmaster> he protected someone which means he gets killed if the dude he is protecting is shot [17:07:05] <Oatsmaster> which means the dude he is protecting is confirmed town [18:11] <raynpelik0neet> Oats [18:12] <raynpelik0neet> how do you know gumshoe actually protected someone? Usually BG's do not get notification as they die. How would gumshoe know he protected someone succesfully? Do you know mafia hit someone else than gumshoe? [18:15] <Oatsmaster> lol easy game [18:15] <Oatsmaster> cause he said he did his job [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> .. [18:15] <Oatsmaster> ? [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> why would he know about a succesful protection? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> ah [18:16] <Oatsmaster> true [18:16] <Oatsmaster> but i dunno why gumshoe and not like 3 other dudes more townie [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> because blue? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> anyway it doesnt really matter [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> ofc it does [18:16] <Oatsmaster> cause I dunno who he protected [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> you said mafia hit someone else [18:17] <Oatsmaster> it matters if we know [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> when gumshoe can't know that [18:17] <Oatsmaster> we dont know [18:17] <Oatsmaster> oh the extra info [18:17] <Oatsmaster> right [18:17] <Oatsmaster> i would know who is confirmed town then wouldnt i [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> you kinda said [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> marv is [18:24] <Oatsmaster> i did [18:25] <Oatsmaster> but now I dont [18:25] <Oatsmaster> because no actual evidence [18:25] <Oatsmaster> just speculation Oats was sure gumshoe protected marv. Oats can't know if gumshoe in fact protected anyone and was not hit instead (remember, he was kinda known to be blue) unless he knows he protected someone. And suddenly it's not marv anymore. rofl. Oats is mafia. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster When gumshoe said that he did his job I also immediately thought that he actually saved somebody. I don't think this is such a gigantic slip that you guys claim that it is. Isn't there a bigger chance that Gumshoe actually defended a bigger thread than himself? SloOsh: I have masoned Vivax. I will probably mason somebody else during the next night. I say this because I have discussed SloOsh with Vivax, as SloOsh was the scumwagon to him. Vivax asked me to read sloosh and I replied: + Show Spoiler + [11:52] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:53] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:54] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:54] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. A lot of his posting on Day 1 can have been to protect himself, he remember him trying to convince me to vote for VE. What makes Sloosh look bad is that he completely ignored the America claim from VE, he should have commented on that tbh. My read on SloOsh is what it is, I think that you should ask Vivax if you want a better read on SloOsh. Yamato: With him being on the VE train, I suspect at least 1 more to have joined after him. Maybe in the end, the remove the America claim, maybe a bit sooner to protect Sloosh. Ace: Playing completely different than in the Nuclear game, he was calm and not caring in Nuclear, while he is being chaotic and cynical in here.. Does this means he isn't scum here? No. Can I read him? No. Does my gut says he is scum? No. strongandbig: I read Vivax his arguments about SnB and I nod my head while doing so, it are the standard reasons that somebody reads in guides and applicable to SnB his posts. But I am not convinced yet. I do think SnB is following this thread way better than what he let us believe in his opening post. Same deal as with Sloosh, I wouldn't lynch him because he could be useful to town. I have not the read on SnB to condemn him scum. kholly: Chez did 2 things this game so far: 1) Focus on Gumshoe saying that he has only 1 Mason. 2) Give a sarcastic(?) list of scums. So after putting a lot of work in this post, I come to the conclusion that I don't have anything. I do know that you guys don't like lists that don't say shit and just fill up the thread. But sadly enough this is all I have, VA can have a fieldday again on me. Just going to put my vote towards uselessness: ##vote: kholly | ||
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