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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 06 2013 17:30 GMT
#30
/in
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 16 2013 14:48 GMT
#88
/confirm
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 17 2013 18:07 GMT
#194
Sup fellas.

So far the only person acting suspect to me is iampi. I'm not even sure what he's trying to say about DP. That the little funny script he wrote makes him look bad?

@iampi, please explain in more detail what about DPs post looks scummy to you. Keep in mind that some of us weren't in previous games so we may not get some the references he was making.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 17 2013 19:45 GMT
#250
On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum

You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 03:01 GMT
#527
Been following loosely on my phone most of the day. I see that I have some heat on me so I'm gonna catch up now. I'll try to post a defense for myself but I don't think there's really much of a case against me aside from lurking since I dont think I have more then 3 post right now.

stay tuned
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 06:11 GMT
#562
Wow, this is so much activity. The 3 noob games I played did NOT prepare me for this. I'm close to being caught up but I need to sleep so I'm gonna post some thoughts on my top suspect and then read some more tomorrow.

Blazinghand - I don't understand exactly why he changed his tune about vayne. His reason for unvoting him seemed to be the same as his reasoning for voting him. Here's his reasons:
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On May 18 2013 05:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 18 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 18 2013 05:35 Blazinghand wrote:
info comes from town taking stances on things that matter ie voting and scum trying and failing to imitate


What info do we get based on gut feelings? oh thats right astrology readings. I will be sticking to my game of logic and not letting emotions get the best of me. If somebody scumslips day 1 I will be watching intently, but besides that im not gonna bandwagon some poor sap just because a "vet" deems him scum


##unvote
##vote VayneAuthority

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On May 18 2013 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
he's certainly found a very creative way of opting out of the discourse, but I don't buy it at all. VA scum.

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On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is.

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On May 18 2013 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 18 2013 05:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is.


what do you suggest I do then oh great and mighty vet l0l? There's no fucking information to go off of.


yeah lynch this guy



So then after Vayne post some more, BH changes his mind:
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On May 18 2013 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 18 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 18 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 18 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 06:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
lol you havent played in a game with me yet so ill fill you in. I always garner massive day 1 attention because my "shitty" analysis is pretty accurate. Scum want me gone early. There's no WIFOM when were talking a difference in playstyles here.


I was just browsing filters and I found this hilarious. This is a totally useless post, but I really did find this hilarious.


whats the joke so that I may appease to your funny bone more easily chap?


I just saw you throw your newbie game because you were too much of a pussy to follow your instincts.

this does not translate to = scum want me gone early (you were left alive to lylo)

hopefully this doesn't sound like a massive putdown, but... um... yeah. I mean, maybe you're feared on mafiascum, but don't make claims about how you're feared here until you have a legitimate reason to think so.


I threw the game? The other townie came in and voted at the last second for me. Why the fuck would it have mattered? I made it to lylo because I played my part as town perfectly, suspicious enough to stay alive and not bad enough to get lynched.


god is that really your idea of how town plays optimally

:|

##unvote

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On May 18 2013 06:57 Blazinghand wrote:
So, new rule: Vayne is a VI. Ignore him, check him if you are a DT or vig him if you are a vigi, policy lynch him before lylo if he's still alive. There's a possibility he also rolled scum but judging by his last game and this one there's no real way to tell. Not a worthwhile D1 lynch.

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On May 18 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you?


see how could you possibly lynch a guy who legitimately thinks this is an ok post to make? There's no heuristic that could possibly distinguish scum VA from town VA. everyone should unvote this guy

Why did Vaynes earlier posts seem scum, but his later posts seemed bad town? Because they all look pretty much the same to me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 11:51 GMT
#635
On May 18 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote:

Secondly, JJD. I don't like him being excused for being in 'big boy' games. In his newbie games, he was *significantly* lurkier as mafia. He was mafia in the game I hosted, and he spent lots of time posting in the scumQT, and no time posting in the thread. As town he's much more forthcoming. I think he's a pretty decent lynch right now.

[b]

In all the game's I've been in, I'd imagine the majority of my posts came during the week while I was @ work. Don't want to make an excuse but I'm always gonna be a little less active on the weekend. Last game I got lynched day 1 and a big part of the reasoning was because I went inactive for a portion of the day.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 11:59 GMT
#638
On May 18 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing - something I don't like that both WoS and JarJar are doing is complaining about thread activity. That riles me quite a bit. Especially with WoS, given how posty he usually is himself.

Didn't mean to sound like I was complaining about it. Just wanted to point it out since the last noob game I was in had 25 pages TOTAL. It's a big change.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 12:09 GMT
#646
So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it.

HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne.

On May 18 2013 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum

You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now?

The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 13:21 GMT
#655
On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum?


Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it.

Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him.

##vote: blazinghand

(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying)
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 18 2013 13:43 GMT
#661
On May 18 2013 22:25 iamperfection wrote:
i said it would be weird for a scum jarjar to attack a town bh which would lead to you possibly being more likely to be town.

Are you saying that you're reading BH as town? Also, why would attacking a town BH make me more likely to be town then attacking a scum BH?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 03:08 GMT
#944
On May 19 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
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On May 19 2013 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow


##vote jarjardrinks



EBWOP. Was supposed to be jar jar. wave was on my copy/paste from looking at his filter



Are you saying that when you said: "I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow" you meant to say: "I'm going to put my vote on Jar Jar" and it was just a CnP error? Because you're clearly talking about WoS in the next sentence, even quoting him.

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On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
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On May 19 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position.

On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:

- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.


On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".

I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then.


However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group.

On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection


ggyo


On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.

and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion.



This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake.


Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.


I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him.

I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow
His first few posts are complete spam. Then he sheeps on me about s0Lstice's meta game. A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence.

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On May 18 2013 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum

VT claim too, quelle surprise.

ugh this is almost too easy, I'm feeling less good about it now. Whatever vote stays on 'till he gets back and actually contributes.



Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.

##vote jarjardrinks

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 03:48 GMT
#957
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.

##vote jarjardrinks

I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses"

And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 16:09 GMT
#1104
On May 19 2013 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
Looking at JJD's filter, I'm finding it pretty hard to understand why he even voted for Blazing. What's the rationale?

Here's where I point out that BH changed his mind about vayne for basically no reason @ all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=29#562

He jumped on vayne for his (admittedly terrible) views on how to play day 1. But what made him change his mind? And it wasn't just "Oh hmm, maybe he isn't scum". He totally 180'd and started telling people they should stop voting for vayne.

Go back and read from the time BH voted vayne to when he unvoted:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=14#267

There was nothing vayne said in his later posts that are much different in his earlier posts when BH had him pegged as scum. WHat I think happened is that BH realized how scummy it was to jump on Vayne for his terrible play. Like, check out this post from yamato:
On May 18 2013 06:11 yamato77 wrote:
Now, the rest of you jumping at the chance to vote this guy are worrying me. When have you ever seen a scum make a play like this?
The next post BH made was his unvote.

And rereading his filter, Look @ some of his reasons for his votes. He votes for iamp for flaming. He votes you for calling him out on why that's a terrible reasoning. Even saying: "yeah marv definitely scum". Then he votes for stutters pointing out how stutters said he could jump on Vayne lynch. Uh, isn't that exactly what he did?

Seems pretty clear to me that he just keeps throwing shit around hoping something sticks and he doesn't really care who gets lynched.






JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 16:22 GMT
#1106
On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum.
Stop Lying. I'm KNOWN to lurk on the weekends. The last game I played started on the weekend. I was town and got voted off day 1 because of lurking. My activity is always gonna be alot better during the week once I'm sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 16:32 GMT
#1108
On May 20 2013 01:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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On May 20 2013 01:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum.
Stop Lying. I'm KNOWN to lurk on the weekends. The last game I played started on the weekend. I was town and got voted off day 1 because of lurking. My activity is always gonna be alot better during the week once I'm sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours.


I coached your scum game. Marv hosted it. I think we know what we are talking about. any quit with the excuses and make a case on someone that isn't blazinghand.
I like how you turn it around and say I'm making excuses and not calling you out for lying.

You said that I'm known to not lurk as town. I pointed out how my last game I was voted out as town for lurking. So no, you don't know what you're talking about. Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the facts.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 16:53 GMT
#1120
On May 20 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
So what do you make of BH's claim?

Who do you want to kill today if not BH?
Obviously I think he's lying, otherwise I wouldn't still be voting vor him. He claimed after everyone started voting him to try and save himself. I'd assume that's a standard scum play.

If I had to choose for someone else to be lynched, I'd pick grush. Here's a slight case I posted against him: + Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2013 21:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it.

HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne.

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On May 18 2013 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum

You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now?

The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad.

Not quite as sure about him as I am BH, but he's my second choice.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 17:19 GMT
#1126
On May 20 2013 01:55 DarthPunk wrote:


Serious Question. Have you been reading the thread?

Yes

On May 20 2013 01:56 marvellosity wrote:
Not interested in sputnik?

Well, It's not like I can have anything more than a null read on him. Maybe a blue targets him tonight?

The other person on my radar is spicy. Anyone have an opinion on this post I made:
On May 19 2013 12:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On May 19 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On May 19 2013 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow


##vote jarjardrinks



EBWOP. Was supposed to be jar jar. wave was on my copy/paste from looking at his filter



Are you saying that when you said: "I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow" you meant to say: "I'm going to put my vote on Jar Jar" and it was just a CnP error? Because you're clearly talking about WoS in the next sentence, even quoting him.

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On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
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On May 19 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position.

On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:

- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.


On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".

I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then.


However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group.

On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection


ggyo


On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.

and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion.



This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake.


Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.


I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him.

I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow
His first few posts are complete spam. Then he sheeps on me about s0Lstice's meta game. A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence.

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On May 18 2013 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum

VT claim too, quelle surprise.

ugh this is almost too easy, I'm feeling less good about it now. Whatever vote stays on 'till he gets back and actually contributes.



Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.

##vote jarjardrinks


How can he have meant what he said there? A CnP fail doesn't explain it.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 19 2013 19:51 GMT
#1187
##Unvote
##Vote Spicydinosaur


Guess everyone is believing BHs claim. :\

I like a spicy lynch way better then a GK or sputnik lynch.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 20 2013 13:39 GMT
#1590
All caught up.

So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm

FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.

I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town.
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