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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 10 2013 03:59 GMT
#83
/in
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 17:21 GMT
#135
/confirm
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 18:58 GMT
#154
if you have a gun you should shoot darthpunk. there is no reason to claim self-aware miller in this setup.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 19:05 GMT
#157
On May 13 2013 04:01 prplhz wrote:
Yea okay HiroPro.

How the hell do you know anything about the setup? This is N0 and it's a closed setup.


all you need to know is that it's closed. this isn't some sort of c9++ setup where you can use role counts to determine what's true and not.

there's simply no reason to claim miller as town. you shouldn't be concerned about getting checked, you should be playing so as to not be checked.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 19:18 GMT
#162
On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote:
@HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them.

@ObviousOne Are you serious?


No this is just wrong. It only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 19:26 GMT
#164
this has nothing to do with mechanics. and incidentally disregarding mechanics in a themed setup is just dumb. if you actually know what you're doing, you can find mafia. tons of themed games have caught mafia using mechanics.

if I had shown to you that his role wasn't possible then it would be mechanics. but this is simply behavior. there is no reason to claim as town.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 20:52 GMT
#219
obviousone smells bad. I wouldn't mind killing him either.

The post where he backtracks on DarthPunk and says "oh, he's suspicious since he's not here right now" seems out of place and looks more like a post from mafia trying to play both sides of the argument. also, if he doesn't put a lot of stock in early claims, why does he even care that darthpunk isn't around after claiming?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 17:59 GMT
#487
BH, do you actually believe that WaveofShadow is trying to blend in with his posts? Is there a reason that you haven't mentioned players like shirokami or prplhz?

Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 18:30 GMT
#497
yo, let's lynch obviousone. if you haven't do so go back and look at his views on darthpunk, especially the point where he shifts from calling the claim meaningless to attacking him.

Look at the amount of times where he calls out a person for inactivity without actually bringing up something specific that he wants to ask them. It looks like someone trying to be seen as promoting discussion without actually doing anything.

the last list post where he said three people that would be good lynches looks like a straight fluff post. there's almost nothing in that post that's actually relevant to this game (most of it is just a lazy attempt at "meta") and what little is there isn't even true. He doesn't even say anything about oatsmaster beyond "i'm not sure how to tell if he's mafia. i'll look at his games later".

also note the way that obviousone responds to any accusations or suspicion which actually have reasons behind them (not just "oh you scum"). in almost all cases he responds with some irrelevant comment and tries to brush it away. in general this is something that mafia are much more likely to do instead of trying to explain their own actions further.

##Vote ObviousOne
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 19:08 GMT
#524
viscera, what do you think of blazinghand right now?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 22:13 GMT
#596
I'm not interested in lynching waveofshadow. partly for the reason that rainman mentioned earlier about n0, but his post about whether chaoser had played with RoL also seemed very genuine. to put it simply, complaining about the state of the thread is often seen as a sign of mafia. the fact that instead of immediately jumping to that conclusion, he tried to figure out whether chaoser was used to a different style of play (without directly asking that) suggests that he's actually trying to figure out things.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 13 2013 22:22 GMT
#599
shirokami seems like a good lynch also.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 14 2013 19:58 GMT
#792
viscera, do you actually think that you can get vayne lynched today?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 14 2013 20:29 GMT
#819
On May 15 2013 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
(I am also aware I was not asked.)
Hai Hiro! Need moar from you imo. Thoughts on Oats plox?

BH you didn't respond to me earlier btw. I'm serious about what I said though I figured at least I'd get a rise out of you if you weren't going to even consider it.


my general opinion of oatsmaster is that he posts a lot, doesn't really read much, and just does whatever he feels like. because of this, i just ignore him.

i don't find your initial reason for thinking he's mafia all that strong. the very first post he made kind of suggests why he would throw out a vote on you like that. it's not a very good plan, but it's a reason.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 14 2013 20:34 GMT
#822
s&b, how do you feel about lynching obviousone?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 14 2013 21:42 GMT
#851
if he doesn't want to play but won't get modkilled/replaced then just kill him.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 14 2013 21:47 GMT
#860
On May 15 2013 06:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 06:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum?


also not voting for him because of this


if he's a fool then he's a fool. but there probably hasn't been a fool on TL as a role in a closed setup for years and even if he was it almost certainly wouldn't end the game.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 14 2013 21:51 GMT
#868
there's no point in killing sinani since he's either going to be modkilled or replaced at the end of this day.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 15 2013 00:43 GMT
#943
I don't see a lynch happening today and I won't be voting for either wave or vayne. might be around later to see if something changes.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 15 2013 01:44 GMT
#994
I'm only going to talk about this once, so read carefully. if you still choose to lynch me after reading this, then whatever I don't even care.

i don't know why people still care about activity with me. i haven't been an active poster with large amounts of time to play since the end of last summer and I don't know why people still insist on it as being some kind of sign that I'm mafia.

prplhz has some kind of meta read on me. It's bad and lazy. Rockband wasn't a game where I tunneled prplhz, I spent the beginng of day 1 going after Palmar (mafia)/hapahauli(town) and then later shifted onto austinmcc (town) at the end of the day. The game prplhz is thinking about is looney lynching, where the voting system had a nccaa-style bracket and I decided to talk mostly about 1 of the 4 matchups (where prplhz was present). but hey who gives a shit right? must be the same thing.

now is focusing on 1 player during day 1 something that I exclusively do as town or as mafia? no it's not; i do it as both alignments depending on the circumstances. in fruity mafia where I was town, I spent of most of my d1 time talking about yamato (mafia) and trying to get him lynched. why? because it was a low-content day 1, where I had very limited time and with a substantial amount of resistance against the yamato lynch and multiple wagons going nowhere. guess what kind of situation this game has? why not mention a bunch of other people who i think could be mafia? because there's not enough to actually get a lynch on them d1 and it only derails the thread further.

now of course prplhz only thinks about the game that's 7 or 8 months old instead of taking the time to actually read through any of my recent play. i played in personality 2 as mafia and fruity as town fairly recently, but of course that's not even worth considering.

the sad fact of the matter is prplhz is probably town, just simply not willing or lacking the time to actually read the thread and instead spending his time making half-baked meta cases. the only reason i didn't yell at him is because i know that if he's town ace has probably marked some colorful comment on it down in his notes on the game and picturing what it is makes me laugh.

i don't play mafia the way that a lot of other people on this forum do. do i sometime acquiesce to other people's playstyles and do stuff like post lists? yea, sometimes I do if I get annoyed or lazy. but the fact of the matter is I don't see any good reason to lynch someone who is probably town just for the sake of getting a lynch. there's nothing wrong with a no-lynch on day 1 if there has actually been some kind of discussion about who to lynch.
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