Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power

On April 04 2013 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!

So are we trying to come up with some super OP plan to deprive scum of roles/maximize town roles? I haven't played in one of these yet (unbelievably) so I'm pretty excited.

On April 04 2013 21:00 Mocsta wrote:

Im trying to read between the lines here:

Are you advocating that, "Forced" VTs claim their intended role pick?

That way, if we trust the source, we know that the role is in play?

If so,
I think this is a brilliant idea.

On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote:
what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us.

On April 04 2013 21:21 yamato77 wrote:

I've specifically argued against this notion, so if you want to claim that this is the case, you're going to have to try harder than that. Why is denying mafia a role like janitor or admiral ackbar (which significantly impedes town) worse than getting a role that might only help the one player, or might be situational enough to not matter at all?

On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=11#206

As I mentioned prior.

So far, I disagree.

i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game.

To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly.

On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote:

Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor.

I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla.

i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game.
It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim.

On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote:
I dont see a point debating this.

Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference.

On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote:

Are you a knob head or something?

You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2.

I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town.

Forced VT claim: is an attempt to understand whether "key roles" are in the game. The action itself should not be used to establish individuals as confirmed town/scum.

On April 04 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

No one's actually addressed this yet, especially Yamato which I find strange as it's an improvement upon his plan. I'd propose we use it for 2 roles at the most though. Past that, it just becomes too unreliable.

I don't like the VT claiming idea. Players that ended up with a VT role are still important to town in one way: Taking hits that would otherwise land on blues. I don't think the info gained on roles is worth this downside. There might be exceptions in certain situations (such as a player high up in the list claiming VT when he tried to pick a scummy role), but as the norm I'd be against it.

On April 04 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem with this is that town has no way of knowing who is lying and who is telling the truth. Scum know who is lying and who is telling the truth. The information we gain is only reliable for mafia at the start of the game.

It gives mafia more opportunities to fakeclaim, bullshit, or tell the truth if it benefits them the most, and make plans that revolve around those things. And you have no way of figuring out which is it. If mafia is wise and plays it right there is no way town is going to win anything from this compared to mafia.

On April 04 2013 22:48 Restraining Order wrote:

Nothing I have not already said.

On April 04 2013 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That's true rayn, the plan does rely on the players that step up to be town. However it isn't a downside because the alternative is using no plan in which case scum can pick good roles anyway. Using this plan doesn't mean that the players that follow the RNG idea are instantly labeled town for the rest of the game. They'd still be under scrutiny. All it does is make it riskier for scum to pick one or two of the roles we consider the strongest for them.

On April 05 2013 02:20 Vivax wrote:
1st of all: Sharrant requested roles like america to not be picked by town. No, scum can use it before getting lynched, so it doesn't matter if it outs them. Town needs the best of the best of the best, sir.

My idea: We get to an agreement about a few of the towniest mofos based on activity, interest and good ideas, and accept that they will roll the highest possible numbers and nobody who is town must roll the same.

That will leave a mixed pool of null/scum. Scum's main target will be to stop these elected townies from having these roles, so they will try to use the same draft, maybe while another teammate sends in other numbers to try and snatch the role.

That's where the null townies come into play. They will never use the same numbers as the elected townie mofos, forcing scum to waste their picks on taking away good roles from good townies by using the same numbers, leaving a limited amount of scum who will indeed try to roll good shit, and who has to affront a horde of townies who are less likely to take good roles away from each other.

Bad side: People might not give a fuck about the plan, and people might disagree on someone most believe to be town.

On April 05 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:


I dont give a fuck about this plan, because its a really dumb plan.
What do you think about geript's plan?

I think you're reading Assassin wrong. AFAIK, a scum assassin can't say ##Kill austinmcc GREEN. Its either ##Kill: austinmcc ROLENAME, or ##Kill austinmcc RED.