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It's been a while. Also GMarshal is red now? When did that happen. | ||
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Setting predefined picks for the draft order tends to work out well for town. In fact it is a large reason for mafia getting caught out in the last two PYP games I played. However it is massively un-fun, and I feel goes against the spirit of the game. Its also the reason I got rid of the whole drafting phase in the PTP games I hosted. If the majority want to go along with a pre-defined pick order, I'll co-operate. But given that there are almost three times more roles than players, why not have a free for all and play the game like its supposed to be played? | ||
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On April 04 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: oh deconduo too. So you arent in favor of directing picks even though it wins the game right? Pretty much. This is not a new opinion, I've said the same in every PYP game I've played. On April 04 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: What is good out of the PYP games that you played previously and want to implement/do in this game since it is also a PYP game? Good question actually. If you take the drafting part out of the equation, the game plays out pretty much the same as any insane type setup. Apart from that, you can start deducing roles from vanilla claims, flips and actions taken. Some roles will be pretty obvious once they are used, such as janitor, PoD etc. Once you know that a role is in the game you can start working out who has it, and if they've used it in a pro or anti-town manner. On April 04 2013 23:56 yamato77 wrote: You removed the draft order because of how you feel the game should be played. BC, then, made an obvious decision to NOT do that. Don't you think he has a reason for doing that? Should we just ignore possible advantages gained from setup just because we feel like it goes "against the spirit of the game"? If BC felt that way, why did he include the draft order? If he doesn't feel that way, why are you not trying your hardest to win? If it isn't against the rules, isn't it presumed by the host that it might happen? You can try your hardest to win without taking advantage of what you consider to be faults in the system. As I said, if people prefer to play to win no matter what, I'll go along with them. I'm just stating my objection in the hopes that other people will feel the same was as I do. If cheesing every game gave you the best chance to win, would you still do it? | ||
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On April 05 2013 00:14 yamato77 wrote: You define it as cheesing. BC did not. There's no reason to needlessly eliminate strategies that are beneficial to your wincon if they are perfectly within the rules, and should have been considered in the balancing of the game. That's why the Koreans were so good at "cheese" early on in SC2, because while the westerners were being idealistic in their play, the Koreans played to win, and did. If mafia can't figure out how to combat this strategy within this setup, then they deserve to lose, because I have specifically talked about counterplay. I think you've misunderstood me. I'm objecting to it because its not fun, not because its unfair to the mafia. That's completely aside from the point I'm making. If I felt it was anti-town I would still be against it. Cheesing is good to throw in every once in a while to mix things up, but if you did it every game it would be boring as fuck. I feel the same way about the picking strats. Why not let everyone pick what they want for once, instead of forcing everyone to pick based on the position they get in the draft. | ||
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On April 05 2013 00:20 yamato77 wrote: Do you want mafia getting all of the ridiculous OP roles and auto-winning the game? I don't. So I plan against that happening. That can only happen if all the mafia get the top positions in the draft. And even then, it wouldn't even be close to giving them an auto win. | ||
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On April 05 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Im dumb and stupid  Spell it out for me please Troll Caller vs Legit Caller. | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:18 austinmcc wrote: I am suggesting that town don't use KP. There will be corner cases - DT checks, possibly to keep any heavy lurkers we have out of the lynch discussion later on by shooting them a couple days in, etc. But in general, I don't think town should be firing off KP because, imo, the more quick deaths the better for scum this game. A longer game in which people have roles, we have checks, we have confirmations of role uses and whatnot, is going to favor town. It simply gets more and more difficult to hide that you chose a mafia-favored role or used your role in a mafia-ish manner. So the longer the game goes, better for town, therefore the less KP thrown around, better for town. If someone really wants to hero it up with KP, there's the magical compulsive scum-only vigi in the game. There's the assassin. I think it's BETTER for town to take the normal KP roles and not use them, because of the above paragraph, but if the only thing you're going to do this game is grab a KP role, flop your e-peen on the table, and shoot scum, then use one of those two roles. That way you don't hit townies and we don't need to discuss policy lynching people who shoot townies. This sums up my thoughts on town KP pretty well. On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea. What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. Why are you not reading the thread  On April 06 2013 03:07 yamato77 wrote: I thought you weren't reading the thread, Palmy? Why so scum, bro? Shitty post On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Pre-Dawn Lynch Preference of Wrath Yay, back to reading the thread. No better response than this? Pretty standard scum tactic to try and belittle a case against them rather than actually make a defense against. On April 06 2013 10:15 Restraining Order wrote: More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish. Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore. See PYP: Insane as to why this is a shitty tactic and no intelligent mafia would try it again. On April 06 2013 10:51 Bill Murray wrote: Are we reading the same game... Palmar needs to shoot half of this town Yes. Everyone that didn't pick 8 I think. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:39 geript wrote: Deconduo... do you have any actually important opinions? Not really. Sno is probably scum, but he's probably getting day-vigged 30 seconds into day 1 so it doesn't really matter much either way. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:43 Bill Murray wrote: DECONDUO WHAT ARE YOUR READS ON WHO ARE WHAT? I like austin's post that I quoted above. I don't think a mafia would push so hard to stop town being stupid. I think artanis is probably town as well. Caller is being Caller, but I think he is town Caller. Palmar is afk, but that's normal. He's still keeping up with the thread a bit so he's probably town, he doesn't even do that much when he's scum. Sno is probably scum cos his posts are terrible, and he got 1,1 unopposed. VE's play has been a bit out of sorts, but he seems to be back to normal now. My read on you is always wrong so I'm not even going to try. So many other new players that I don't know. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know why sn0 getting 1,1 unopposed makes him anything. Enlighten me. My bad. I though scum picked [1,1] in pretty much every single game, but I was remembering previous games wrongly. I went back and checked and its only a few games where scum picked [1,1] I still think sno has been pretty scummy tho | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 06 2013 11:51 deconduo wrote: [QUOTE]On April 06 2013 11:43 Bill Murray wrote: DECONDUO WHAT ARE YOUR READS ON WHO ARE WHAT?[/QUOTE] Palmar is afk, but that's normal. FoS Deconduo[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 05 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote: I always suck at PYP games because I find the role discussion so boring I skip it.[/QUOTE] PTP 1: 3 posts before Day 1 PTP 2: 8 posts before Day 1 PYP Redux: 7 posts before Day 1 PYP Boardwalk: 18 posts before Day 1 Unless you're saying he's less afk than normal, I don't know why you think I'm wrong. | ||
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On April 05 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote: I always suck at PYP games because I find the role discussion so boring I skip it. PTP 1: 3 posts before Day 1 PTP 2: 8 posts before Day 1 PYP Redux: 7 posts before Day 1 PYP Boardwalk: 18 posts before Day 1 Unless you're saying he's less afk than normal, I don't know why you think I'm wrong. | ||
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On April 07 2013 10:11 gonzaw wrote: Countdown: 1 Okay, a couple of things: 1) Some of you have "voted" apparently but haven't posted in the voting thread (here) Don't be lazy guys 2) In my next post I'll post my main scumread, make a case against him, etc. Hopefully it can get something more out of you guys (in terms of content), as well as hopefully netting us one scum 3) Wow, BM is putting quite a lot of effort it seems, at least much more than what I remember (specially in contrast with other games of his, like LIII). That's pleasantly surprising  4) Although kind Ignore this post since it's just filler to ramp up the number of my posts >_> Your trully, gonzaw the One I swear that voting thread didn't exist 30 seconds ago. Also what's with the countdown? | ||
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