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ObviousOne
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On March 25 2013 04:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote: /in Coward | ||
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ObviousOne
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On March 25 2013 06:16 iamperfection wrote: I have to out Bye for now PerfectOne. | ||
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ObviousOne
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Since some of us are strangers I think we should get to know one another a little better. Let's introduce ourselves to each other! List three things, only let two of them true! 1. I have a list of my games in my profile. 2. I have played newbie games on TL. 3. I have read my role PM. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim. I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason. (An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent. Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think? | ||
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On March 26 2013 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait wait wait what? How do you propose we catch this 'scum' who hasnt read his role pm? If you say that he acts like a townie, what differentiates him from the other townies? How does him having no KP make it easier? Wtf acro. I read my role PM before I started writing my last post. Just so you know. That seems to be a sticking point and you can put it to rest. First post was just for fun. If you don't recognize the flavor: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:25 Chezinu wrote: Hello everyone. Before we began, I think it is important for everyone to get to know one another. As an ice breaker, I would like everyone to state their name and post three things about themselves which may not be known to the others people here. Two are true and one is not. I will start. My name is Chezinu I have read my role I never played a newbie game I am not The Scribe! | ||
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On March 26 2013 15:13 Acrofales wrote: USE YOUR BRAIN FOR ONCE. IN. A. MAFIA. GAME. EVER. PLEASE. We lynch scum. We lynch another scum. We lynch another scum. KP stops. Golly, I wonder who could be the last scum? Maybe that dude who still hasn't read his role PM and therefore doesn't know he should be sending in nightly hits! Also, if he does read his role PM in time to send in the NKs and you reach 2-1 lylo with someone who looked townie all game and someone who has looked townie, but claimed not to read his role PM, LYNCH THE FUCKING GUY WHO HASN'T READ HIS ROLE PM UNTIL LATE IN THE GAME. If town has people left who failed to look properly townie alive after a minimum of 5 lynches, in which 3 scum were nailed, then I don't know what to tell you. Townies failed miserably. lol | ||
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On March 26 2013 15:15 Keirathi wrote: Acro/OO: Thoughts on Grack? Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote: For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum. I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.) This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so. Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote: No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird. Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? | ||
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On March 26 2013 15:49 Keirathi wrote: Honestly, no.  Your whole post is kind of ramble-y. No thoughts on my case?They say it don't be like it is, but it do. I don't know about your case. I probably only skimmed it once. Need sleep as well. Remind me later. | ||
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On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit. Whatever your bullshit question was got buried. CBA to find it until I get to a desktop computer. But you're wrong about me being mafia. I don't feel bad about not answering your case because I feel no need to defend myself from you. I'd rather discuss Grack since he is using me as an opportunity to sheep town sentiment on a player who (and you're going to love this) always looks scummy D1 (me!) | ||
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On March 27 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum. Oh. That's cool. Carry on then. You don't have to try to convince me I'm scum. While you're here, summarize your feelings about Grack for me, 'kay? | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar: I don't like the Grack case as much as i do like the OO one. Both fall into the same category of being non-commital but on top of that OO gives people some catches. If someone bases a case on me influenced by OO's post he can't be held accountable for it but he actually was the one who gave the thought out in the first place. I don't like wishy-washyness but even more i dislike wishy-washyness that leaves an open door for stupid townies to push a mislynch which you in fact caused in the first place. So this is saying the Grack is more town than me but doesn't say If you think he's town or mafia. Are you still trying to discredit me based on making one post before reading my role PM? Is Grack town or scum? | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote: What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? You just don't have a handle on how I play. Marv understands me better. This is how I do. When I talk about something, it's typically because it's either worth replying to or the person I'm talking about is a scum-read of mine or someone I'm interested in getting a better read on myself. There's no reason to talk about townies except in passing and/or when referring to cases. I thought Kei was scummy yesterday but he's looking better today and I have dropped it. I'm hedging my bets on Grack being scum - responded to Palmar's pressure by giving Palmar a town read instead of an alternate lynch proposition - no substantial positions taken outside of calling Nisani's train of thought scummy - a lot of posts but little of any intent - seems to have known better than discuss my meaningless intro post but continues to talk about it for several posts instead of simply shutting down the conversation as pointless | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:14 Keirathi wrote: His case against me wasn't an association case. I mean, the top part of the post was some association bullshit, but the rest of it was just some (badly done) meta comparison to my last game. :o The top part was my read on Rayn (which stemmed from thinking the sentence could have come from a scum mindset) ending up as likely town and followed into getting a read on you based on your interaction. There was no intentional association except for the caveat at the end of the post before the last line. Sorry if it came off that way. | ||
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Is Oats town or scum to you? | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think that Grack is scum. This post in particular He actually read the cases, didnt back down and say that he wont do it again or whatever. Especially this point, He knows that OO's attack is bullshit and calls him out for it. I strongly believe that Grack is town Except the part where I hadn't read the thread, implying I had not read it at all, which is false. Pointing out inconsistencies, play that does not behoove town, and bullshit in general is scummy now? Are you calling me scum without saying I'm scum? I disagree with your read on Grack and I will not be swayed by arguments made by others until Grack shows me that he is town. | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:50 Acrofales wrote: This still holds: I would have to take a closer look at LIX to see whether a blatant 180 like he took on his SnB read is something he might do as scum. However, first I'm going to look at your town meta. I don't really see what Marv does in your scum meta that is so very different from your play this game. But I admit I only know you from NMM37, which is not very representative at all for any kind of meta. I signed all my posts in Hydra if you're interested in my one and only scum game so far, but D1 in that game I basically posted less than a handful of times and lurked behind VE's interactions with the thread, and on D2 attacked one of the towniest players in the game who wasn't Marv trying to save my hide. After not being able to shake suspicion (and a lack of backup from VE as noted) I simply stopped posting to try to save my team from having to respond to new material I added to the thread. Here in this game, I am under some suspicion for shennanies on D1 but here I am presenting cases, giving my reads, and I'm still participating in the thread. I am used to being a player of interest D1 but that's not going to stop me from looking into people because I have nothing to hide and nobody's future interests to look out for except the town's. Take this for what you will, this is how I understand my meta and you may argue that in knowing general characteristics of my meta I can seek to avoid matching it (granted, one scum game does not really make a meta especially given it was a hydra game) but really I couldn't give less of a shit if you think I'm scummy as long as you agree that my reads have merit. Other players in all the games I was town have a tendency to ignore what I say unless it's obviously scummy (something I've been trying to improve in my town play, hopefully this game will be a testament to that) and if you think my cases are wrong please point out which facets and why those are incorrect or bad. | ||
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I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. | ||
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