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On March 25 2013 06:16 iamperfection wrote: I have to out Bye for now PerfectOne. | ||
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Since some of us are strangers I think we should get to know one another a little better. Let's introduce ourselves to each other! List three things, only let two of them true! 1. I have a list of my games in my profile. 2. I have played newbie games on TL. 3. I have read my role PM. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim. I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason. (An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent. Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think? | ||
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On March 26 2013 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 14:54 Acrofales wrote: However, if he DOES act as a townie, then worst-case, he is scum with a chance of bussing his buddies. I don't mind scum who bus their scumbuddies at all. They're my favourite kind of scum. They then get caught lategame, because they'll have to survive umpteen lynches all by themselves (and if he still hasn't read his role PM, then he has to survive without KP, making it all the easier to catch him) Wait wait wait what? How do you propose we catch this 'scum' who hasnt read his role pm? If you say that he acts like a townie, what differentiates him from the other townies? How does him having no KP make it easier? Wtf acro. I read my role PM before I started writing my last post. Just so you know. That seems to be a sticking point and you can put it to rest. First post was just for fun. If you don't recognize the flavor: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:25 Chezinu wrote: Hello everyone. Before we began, I think it is important for everyone to get to know one another. As an ice breaker, I would like everyone to state their name and post three things about themselves which may not be known to the others people here. Two are true and one is not. I will start. My name is Chezinu I have read my role I never played a newbie game I am not The Scribe! | ||
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On March 26 2013 15:13 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 26 2013 14:54 Acrofales wrote: However, if he DOES act as a townie, then worst-case, he is scum with a chance of bussing his buddies. I don't mind scum who bus their scumbuddies at all. They're my favourite kind of scum. They then get caught lategame, because they'll have to survive umpteen lynches all by themselves (and if he still hasn't read his role PM, then he has to survive without KP, making it all the easier to catch him) Wait wait wait what? How do you propose we catch this 'scum' who hasnt read his role pm? If you say that he acts like a townie, what differentiates him from the other townies? How does him having no KP make it easier? Wtf acro. USE YOUR BRAIN FOR ONCE. IN. A. MAFIA. GAME. EVER. PLEASE. We lynch scum. We lynch another scum. We lynch another scum. KP stops. Golly, I wonder who could be the last scum? Maybe that dude who still hasn't read his role PM and therefore doesn't know he should be sending in nightly hits! Also, if he does read his role PM in time to send in the NKs and you reach 2-1 lylo with someone who looked townie all game and someone who has looked townie, but claimed not to read his role PM, LYNCH THE FUCKING GUY WHO HASN'T READ HIS ROLE PM UNTIL LATE IN THE GAME. If town has people left who failed to look properly townie alive after a minimum of 5 lynches, in which 3 scum were nailed, then I don't know what to tell you. Townies failed miserably. lol | ||
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On March 26 2013 15:15 Keirathi wrote: Acro/OO: Thoughts on Grack? Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote: For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum. I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.) This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so. Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote: On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote: I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town. @ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird. Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? | ||
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On March 26 2013 15:49 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote: Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Honestly, no. Your whole post is kind of ramble-y. No thoughts on my case? They say it don't be like it is, but it do. I don't know about your case. I probably only skimmed it once. Need sleep as well. Remind me later. | ||
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On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote: Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy. How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit. Whatever your bullshit question was got buried. CBA to find it until I get to a desktop computer. But you're wrong about me being mafia. I don't feel bad about not answering your case because I feel no need to defend myself from you. I'd rather discuss Grack since he is using me as an opportunity to sheep town sentiment on a player who (and you're going to love this) always looks scummy D1 (me!) | ||
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On March 27 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum. Oh. That's cool. Carry on then. You don't have to try to convince me I'm scum. While you're here, summarize your feelings about Grack for me, 'kay? | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar: I don't like the Grack case as much as i do like the OO one. Both fall into the same category of being non-commital but on top of that OO gives people some catches. If someone bases a case on me influenced by OO's post he can't be held accountable for it but he actually was the one who gave the thought out in the first place. I don't like wishy-washyness but even more i dislike wishy-washyness that leaves an open door for stupid townies to push a mislynch which you in fact caused in the first place. So this is saying the Grack is more town than me but doesn't say If you think he's town or mafia. Are you still trying to discredit me based on making one post before reading my role PM? Is Grack town or scum? | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote: Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support). Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? You just don't have a handle on how I play. Marv understands me better. This is how I do. When I talk about something, it's typically because it's either worth replying to or the person I'm talking about is a scum-read of mine or someone I'm interested in getting a better read on myself. There's no reason to talk about townies except in passing and/or when referring to cases. I thought Kei was scummy yesterday but he's looking better today and I have dropped it. I'm hedging my bets on Grack being scum - responded to Palmar's pressure by giving Palmar a town read instead of an alternate lynch proposition - no substantial positions taken outside of calling Nisani's train of thought scummy - a lot of posts but little of any intent - seems to have known better than discuss my meaningless intro post but continues to talk about it for several posts instead of simply shutting down the conversation as pointless | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:14 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote: On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote: Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support). Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? His case against me wasn't an association case. I mean, the top part of the post was some association bullshit, but the rest of it was just some (badly done) meta comparison to my last game. :o The top part was my read on Rayn (which stemmed from thinking the sentence could have come from a scum mindset) ending up as likely town and followed into getting a read on you based on your interaction. There was no intentional association except for the caveat at the end of the post before the last line. Sorry if it came off that way. | ||
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Is Oats town or scum to you? | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote: Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support). Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. I dont think that Grack is scum. This post in particular Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 20:55 Grackaroni wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote: On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote: Hello thread. I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him. ##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote: On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote: If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote: You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.) I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM. the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave) Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me. Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote: On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote: On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote: I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town. @ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. I don't know what you're talking about Palmar... you did get a couple sheep. This case is weak from Keirathi. Palmar's I could at least understand and actually kind of agree with. Betrays the mindset of caring about his appearance? What kind of logic is that? Of course I care about my appearance, I would prefer to not be the first one lynched. That doesn't point to something I would only do if I was scum. and there's not much to me not omgusing Palmar, he seems to be putting in the effort to scumhunt so I don't think he is scum. It irritates me when OO attacks me when he obviously hasn't read the thread and just saw Palmar attacking me and filtered me to throw some shit. @Palmar: any comment on Marv? You guys know each other pretty well. He hasn't taken any sort of stance as well and has shown complete apathy towards scumhunting so far, despite being here more often than others. He actually read the cases, didnt back down and say that he wont do it again or whatever. Especially this point, He knows that OO's attack is bullshit and calls him out for it. I strongly believe that Grack is town Except the part where I hadn't read the thread, implying I had not read it at all, which is false. Pointing out inconsistencies, play that does not behoove town, and bullshit in general is scummy now? Are you calling me scum without saying I'm scum? I disagree with your read on Grack and I will not be swayed by arguments made by others until Grack shows me that he is town. | ||
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On March 27 2013 03:50 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2013 03:41 ObviousOne wrote: Acro, I think your case on Nisani has some merit, though it may have roots in his relative inactivity up to this point. Do you have a second scum read? We seem to agree on Rayn looking town for now so I will ask for your opinion on Oatsmaster. Is Oats town or scum to you? This still holds: Show nested quote + On March 26 2013 23:27 Acrofales wrote: On March 26 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote: If you're lynching Oats based on contradictions, you'll lynch him in every single game you play with him. While this is true, I have not yet seen the town Oats come out to play. His questions feel more timid than usual, and the only post that really gets up in anybody's face is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18133140 I don't know that scum Oats would poke Palmar like that. Other than that it all feels rather safe, rather than Oats' usual reckless spammy style. I would have to take a closer look at LIX to see whether a blatant 180 like he took on his SnB read is something he might do as scum. However, first I'm going to look at your town meta. I don't really see what Marv does in your scum meta that is so very different from your play this game. But I admit I only know you from NMM37, which is not very representative at all for any kind of meta. I signed all my posts in Hydra if you're interested in my one and only scum game so far, but D1 in that game I basically posted less than a handful of times and lurked behind VE's interactions with the thread, and on D2 attacked one of the towniest players in the game who wasn't Marv trying to save my hide. After not being able to shake suspicion (and a lack of backup from VE as noted) I simply stopped posting to try to save my team from having to respond to new material I added to the thread. Here in this game, I am under some suspicion for shennanies on D1 but here I am presenting cases, giving my reads, and I'm still participating in the thread. I am used to being a player of interest D1 but that's not going to stop me from looking into people because I have nothing to hide and nobody's future interests to look out for except the town's. Take this for what you will, this is how I understand my meta and you may argue that in knowing general characteristics of my meta I can seek to avoid matching it (granted, one scum game does not really make a meta especially given it was a hydra game) but really I couldn't give less of a shit if you think I'm scummy as long as you agree that my reads have merit. Other players in all the games I was town have a tendency to ignore what I say unless it's obviously scummy (something I've been trying to improve in my town play, hopefully this game will be a testament to that) and if you think my cases are wrong please point out which facets and why those are incorrect or bad. | ||
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I'm happy to be wrong about you if you would just do something more useful than tunnel me all day. You're just staying the course though and it bothers me. | ||
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