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On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote: Sandro: I don't like this post. Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red. What does town sandro look like? | ||
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On March 17 2013 06:00 goodkarma wrote: Here's sandroba's filter for fruity mafia, a game where he was town: Fruity Mafia To clarify, my question is, "what is sandroba like here that you find his playstyle distinct from his other town games?" Either Vivax is leaning red because sandroba's reads differ from his, which is a very poor reason to think someone is scum, especially D1, or he is leaning red because sandroba's playstyle is somehow different, which doesn't make sense because sandroba has a unique scumhunting style that can sometimes make "quick conclusions" and obtain "townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless" that 'normal scumhunting' may not. This question is specifically directed at Vivax. | ||
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You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk | ||
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On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote: At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch. Laying down votes is alignment null, and him actually trying to push a lynch or not doesn't matter. He misinterpreted geript as still doing his RNG stuff when it was clear he wasn't. | ||
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On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote: LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote ##Vote:Cosmicomics Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk | ||
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Upon a personal reading of his filter alone, he doesn't seem that bad. I see consistency in the evolution of his reads (everything comes from somewhere). I also see him trying to use meta (on GreYMisT and sandroba) in what I think is a sensible way. The initial suspicion on him before he made his big post made sense, but was cleared up as his "playstyle". GreYMisT's case seems to be "goodkarma can't make a good case he is scum", which isn't sound because "good case" is pretty subjective, and townies can fail to make "good cases" all the time. I'm a slow reader so I might have missed other key points but I don't think he is a good lynch. zarepath Ehh ... I'm leaning newbie town player trying to adapt to the major leagues. While more experienced players may know that posts such as "I'm town" are jokes to be ignored for real content, a newer player may not. His questioning of my initial case on DarthPunk seems like a very difficult one to fake from a scum perspective, as it exploits word definition. I would give him a chance to get adjusted first. Vivax Doesn't quite understand how I play but is putting in what seems to be genuine effort for now, especially with his efforts to try to focus attention on me. If there is anything specific you want to point out I can look at it, because I like to spent my time (at least for D1) reading at a larger scale. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:18 DarthPunk wrote: This is LITERALLY your argument. "Guise! let's lynch DP because he says he was pressuring to stop RNG arbitrary lynch selection when geript was in fact using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone! He lied he is scum!" Could you point out where geript suggested using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone? | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote: How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? | ||
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Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad. ##Unvote: DarthPunk I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide. | ||
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Gonna go with GreYMisT because zarepath will quickly expose himself if he is indeed scum. ##Vote: GreYMisT | ||
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On March 19 2013 02:57 zarepath wrote: If by "dealt with" you mean where he said "I assumed he was trying to figure out if I was a smurf so I ignored it?" I'm not satisfied with that answer. If he can simply say "I'm not Yamato" then town stops thinking they share a QT. How does this line of questioning help determine alignment? VE, could you give an updated stance on DP? You kinda dropped off last night and left your vote on him. | ||
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On March 19 2013 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote: He has done nothing this game. The last game I played with him he aggressively pushed his reads and pressured suspects. He's done nothing like that in this thread. He showed early aggression based on weak reasoning, but all he's done since is defend GK. Literally. There is nothing wrong with defending town reads who are potential lynch candidates. To say that "all he's done" is defend goodkarma may be true, but this point doesn't take into full consideration the context of the action. Many people were discussing goodkarma and deciding whether he should be the lynch or not, he himself included. On March 17 2013 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: goodkarma On March 18 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: For the record, I'm still very much good with a GK lynch. I just find myself more sure about DarthPunk having filtered him and thought about it. There should be absolutely no issue with Wade Fell defending whom he thinks is a town read, unless VisceraEyes suspects that both goodkarma and Wade Fell are scum, and that Wade Fell is defending goodkarma using fabricated evidence. Nothing in VisceraEyes' case indicates that he believes this, so there is no town alibi for saying this. Not only that, but a glance at Wade Fell's filter shows his interaction with TestSubject893 and ThePeashooter, which VisceraEyes totally ignores, even though earlier on in the day he acknowledges' one of Wade Fell's posts on ThePeashooter. On March 18 2013 00:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Re: ThePeashooter Wade makes an excellent point about this post. Unlike Ryu who comments on the matter and lets it pass, TPS goes to the trouble of finding and quoting all of these Wade posts he didn't like. Why? What's the point? They're already in the thread once and he's bitching about it. WHY PUT THEM IN THE THREAD AGAIN? ##Unvote: goodkarma ##Vote: ThePeashooter You don't say that someone makes an excellent point, and then totally ignore it when evaluating their play. But that is what VisceraEyes tries to do. He sweeps away something that he himself called "an excellent point" and misconstrues Wade Fell as wasting all his time D1 defending goodkarma, which isn't even scum indicative as his posting shows. Additionally you can see in this post that VisceraEyes drops his initial case on goodkarma. The vote switch indicates that whatever point Wade Fell brought up was strong enough to pursue than his original case on goodkarma. Therefore, the magnitude of VisceraEyes' misinterpretation is greater for he is a hypocrite in saying that Wade Fell did nothing, when he himself asserts that Wade Fell made an excellent point. On March 19 2013 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote: But that's not all he's done. Wade Fell is also a mason. I know this because he's been masoned to me all during this phase. He claims to have been masoned to GK during the day. All he's done in this mason convo has been push his same weak arguments he made in the thread at first, then just passively agree with anything I said. He wasn't trying to divine my alignment. And if his posts are to be believe he didn't mason GK to divine his alignment either. He's been masoning town-reads. To what end? He's not bringing anything new to the table in mason chats, that's for sure. Again, more misinformation. Here VisceraEyes tries to push the idea that Wade Fell's usage of the mason role is indicative of him being scum. He asserts that the mason role should be used to determine alignment first and foremost. Well that's blatantly wrong. There is nothing wrong, and in fact there is something very valuable with masoning a town read in order to bounce around thoughts and ideas. Wade Fell himself explains his mason choice: On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote: As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting. How is that not a sensible response? It helps Wade Fell solidify his read on goodkarma, and also helps direct goodkarma's scumhunting as Wade Fell acted as his coach. There is very good townie motivations to mason a town read. However VisceraEyes tries to push the idea that Wade Fell used his role poorly and therefore must be scum. Let's explore that next. On March 19 2013 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote: This leads me to conclude that Wade Fell is some sort of scum mason attempting to manipulate townies. He claims he can mason a different person every phase, and phase one he chose GK and phase 2 he chose me. Ok. VisceraEyes' hypothesis is that Wade Fell is a scum mason trying to manipulate townies. Where in this post does VisceraEyes consider goodkarma as scum? He doesn't. Let me hash that out again. In the starting sections of my post I demonstrated that VisceraEyes considered goodkarma scum. Additionally he disparaged Wade Fell's play in defending goodkarma (another contradiction), but now he is trying to push Wade Fell as scum on the basis that he is masoning goodkarma, which is one of his town reads? How is Wade Fell masoning goodkarma supporting evidence that Wade Fell is a scum mason attempting to manipulate townies? It isn't. VisceraEyes is getting muddled up in his pile of lies. Either you think goodkarma is town and that Wade Fell's mason choice was to manipulate him, or you think goodkarma is scum and that Wade Fell fake masoned a scum partner. What VisceraEyes is doing is calling both goodkarma and Wade Fell scum, and using "town goodkarma" as evidence of Wade Fell scum. Only scum do this. On March 19 2013 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote: So WF is scum. Talk about it. On March 19 2013 13:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think I'm allowed, which is part of why I revealed him. Without the ability to post the mason logs, it seems weak anyway and it's a large portion of what makes him scummy to me. So VisceraEyes admits himself that his case seems weak without the mason logs. However, once Wade Fell releases the mason logs, he doesn't talk about the content at all! If the strongest body of evidence comes from the mason logs, and they were released, wouldn't you go in and use that as evidence to convince people that Wade Fell is scum? Well VisceraEyes doesn't, because there is nothing that alignment telling in there. He himself says Wade Fell doesn't push his ideas in the QT but he himself presents very flimsy contributions himself. Where is his push of DarthPunk? He called him scummy all D1, left his vote on DarthPunk and checked out, and has picked up some new targets. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO On March 18 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: For the record, I'm still very much good with a GK lynch. I just find myself more sure about DarthPunk having filtered him and thought about it. No more comments on DarthPunk. No more comments on goodkarma. Just hopping along wagons when he can, and dropping them without explanation. His original case on DarthPunk was very shoddy. Additionally is the nonsense about him taking a hit. On March 19 2013 17:09 Ace wrote: Why would you claim Vet though as Town? Even if the Scum clearly know they shot you, they have no idea how the hit failed. Roleclaiming serves no purpose here. | ||
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Vote: VisceraEyes When I get time I'll be catching up more on ThePeashooter business but I want people to look into VisceraEyes in the meantime. | ||
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On March 20 2013 08:56 Wade Fell wrote: still waiting to hear your thoughts on my glorious TPS case The anger at spamming seems reasonable (as in I can see a townie doing it), given that a few of the posts were avoidable (smurf accidents). I agree that he looked into goodkarma after you pointed it out, but I'm not sure how strong of a read that is given that I know nothing of his tempo, and that there are many town players who take time to develop their thoughts and cases without updating each change in the thread. I agree most on the "hang back" aspect with regard to his zarepath read (I guess, the non-Coag read that stuck out to me). If he continues to tunnel into Coag, I would agree with you and join you, but it seems like with recent events (kita & WoS), he is joining more relevant topics. After looking at the back and forth between you and him concerning your case, I think he is trying his hardest not to just go all in and call you scum, and I think it would be prudent for you to do the same. Not because he is most certainly town, but I don't think the way you are going about it is going to get him lynched (as I think there are elements of bias as there could be potential town motivations for some of the things you bring up), and if he is town then it will create a real big mess that will really hurt town (I speak after obsing Personality Mafia, so the need to constantly take a step back and re-evaluate is huge on my mind). | ||
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I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel. I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime. | ||
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He didn't do anything to address my case, or take the opportunity to follow up a question concerning his #1 scum read Wade Fell On March 20 2013 08:51 cosmicomics wrote: VisceraEyes what do you make of Wade Fell's GreYMisT case? Everyone in thread dismissed the VisceraEyes / Wade Fell business on the basis that the night actions would resolve the mess. What has VisceraEyes done with his time since the pressure eased off him? On March 20 2013 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote: YOLO right? ##Unvote ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? On March 20 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh why do you make me want to LYNCH YOU SO MUCH DP?! Have I played with you when we're both town before? On March 21 2013 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm intrigued by how often Mocsta claims he hasn't read the whole thread, but what's more intriguing is how his story on how much he's read keeps changing. Why isn't he doing anything to push Wade Fell?? Wasn't he his #1 scum read? On March 20 2013 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with lynching anywhere inside Wade Fell, RyuSakura, Coagulation They're in order of my preference. Even now, as we try to untangle this "3P mess", we see him say On March 21 2013 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I have not claimed scum. I'm town. Wade is ridiculous. Not Wade Fell is scum. "Wade is ridiculous", implying that Wade Fell is town and being ridiculous. Why isn't he pushing Wade Fell as scum if he was his #1 scum read, and is now fabricating ridiculous things to push him? The most simplest explanation to this whole ordeal is that VisceraEyes is scum, jumping around from target to target to see who will latch without meaningful contribution, made up the 3P business up to sidetrack the town even more, especially since we are deep into D2 without too much consolidation after WaveofShadow claimed. VisceraEyes is scum and making crap up | ||
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