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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 01 2013 15:54 GMT
#16
a turbo game.

Good.

/in
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 07:32 GMT
#124
It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise.

##Vote jaybrundage

Best mislynch NA
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 13:10 GMT
#131
I'm FoSing you Artanis.

Your play looks forced.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 13:22 GMT
#133
Are you afraid that Hapa calls people from the joke circle-jerk town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 13:28 GMT
#135
On March 05 2013 22:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
His comment seems to suggest a certain sense of seriosity unless my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. It smells like buddying based on absolutely nothing.


Why is giving town-reads buddying?

Jay, are you still here? What do you think of Artanis?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 13:36 GMT
#137
Before I answer to that I just need an answer myself: Are you suspecting Hapa for that post?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 14:33 GMT
#139
You express interest in asking Hapa a question and think his buddying was suspicious but aren't motivated to give your opinion on him? That's strange...

I don't think Hapa is scum based on what you said about him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 14:54 GMT
#147
Small games like this are hard for scum. If you can read this don't be mad if you lose scum, this game is going to be a pain for you.

@ Prom


No I think Hapa is town.

I was initially impressed by CC asking for votes on him waiting for scum to hammer him, as in, thought of him as very townie. Then I remembered that he couldn't care less if he's scum and a townie would probably be afraid to hammer someone so quickly, so in truth it wasn't too unsafe to do.

That move makes him still slightly townie cause he was so spontaneously unafraid though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 14:57 GMT
#148
Well anyway, people I would lynch currently: Artanis, Prom, jay. Let's see what happens soon. Jay and Prom cause of exclusion, Artanis cause I can't unsee what I found scummy and he seems afraid to call Hapa scum after our confrontation.

But I'll see how he plays the day out, in the meantime I'll favour him over the others.


##Unvote
##Vote Artanis
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 15:06 GMT
#152
Well it's this overall impression I have of you, not just that.

If you answered that you thought him to be scum I would have mentioned the reasons for why I think he's town. That's why I asked you if you thought him to be scum.

Since you said you doubt him to be scum I see no reason to mention the reasons for why I think he's town. I still have my reasons for my townread pasted in a document to be posted later if it need be. But I don't see a reason to defend anyone when he's not in danger.

If you're town then just play like you're town and I might or might not change my opinion about you. Discussing my impression of you is not going to be productive. Try to find some useful information on your own instead.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 19:30 GMT
#229
Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it.

I'm not too sure between jay and Prome currently but Prome just did something that I don't think I would see him doing as mafia. Jay instead is rather lurky that's not good. It makes sense to be scared to post as scum from his perspective.

My top priority remains Artanis as of now, I don't like how he hooked onto a bad argument to vote for me and his start into the game remains scummy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 19:42 GMT
#237
On March 06 2013 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 04:30 Vivax wrote:
Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it.

I'm not too sure between jay and Prome currently but Prome just did something that I don't think I would see him doing as mafia. Jay instead is rather lurky that's not good. It makes sense to be scared to post as scum from his perspective.

My top priority remains Artanis as of now, I don't like how he hooked onto a bad argument to vote for me and his start into the game remains scummy.


List 'o questions:
1) What is the rationale behind your Jay policy lynch pre-game?
2) Since when do you FoS players?


1) The only rationale was: I just finished reading the game, had no real scumread and threw down a vote on a guy who didn't post in the game yet before going to uni. Don't think he posted before since the game started.

2) You think someone is scum or not scum for pressuring with a FoS instead of a vote? What is the difference between FoS and a vote except for the function of hammering a vote brings with it? I bet you will try to skip this question.

Feel free to answer this question if you like but even talking about this seems so stupid I will just leave that as optional for you.

Since when? When I feel like pressuring people, problem amigo?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 19:47 GMT
#240
On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell.

Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town?


I don't know how you misread my post, but it's Artanis > Jay > You .

I said why I think jay is lurky as scum: He's afraid to get lynched like he does ~ 80 % of the times he's town, so he tries to play more carefully and posts less as scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 19:49 GMT
#244
[iamp]

The wagon of justice is placed on Artanis today.

Lynch the scum.

There are no excuses

[/iamp]
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 19:50 GMT
#245
[iamp]

The wagon of justice is placed on Artanis today

Lynch the scum

There are no excuses

[/iamp]
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 20:05 GMT
#249
Oh shit doublepost sorry BH have mercy please please.

Well that makes it more iampy doesn't it. I had to lend iamp's power for this one.

To add something more substantial to this: I'll make a recap of what I found scummy about artanis.

  • Enters the thread first joking then immediately going serious mode on Hapa.
  • Posts something about Hapa that actually made him likely town in my eyes and calls it buddying, not giving out townreads.
  • You can only call it buddying when you think/know the people he gave townreads to are town. In totes, I disliked the whole buddying argument.
  • He reacted strongly defensive to a simple FoS and my following posts and didn't actively tried to persuade me that Hapa's actions were scummy.
  • When asked about his stance on Hapa he didn't want to commit and I read that as fearful. Why does he ask Hapa questions about something if he doesn't think it's scummy?
  • He sheeps Hapa's bad argument against me "Oh I didn't see that point before"-style, that looks convenient and not like he sincerely reads me as scum.


Will post arguments for why I think Hapa is town where Artanis said he saw buddying and also why the way of Artanis attacking that post was scummy when I feel like and when I got enough feedback on Arta.

In the meantime, discussing whether a FoS is a massive difference in psychology like Artanis wants me to is so abysmal I refuse to do that. He confirmed by himself I used that as both alignments and
  • Bends that to his purposes of calling me scum by noticing irrelevant differences.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 20:31 GMT
#252
Artanis you only had eyes and posts for me this game who else would you see as scum. You mentioned jay somewhat for not contributing and you're unwilling to go for Prom since he's posting more.


Would you have a problem if we lynch Prom today?

On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell.

Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town?


There's this question pending. I didn't say you're town I said you did something that put you below jay: You asked Artanis if he had another scumread besides me but then refused to comment on what's going on between us so far despite you asking both of us questions. That does make you scummy cause appearing interested on the surface but disinterested in the substance.

Artanis we lynch Prom today do you disagree?

##Unvote
##Vote Promethelax
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 20:34 GMT
#255
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
For the record, I would bet my left nut that Artanis is town at this point.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 06 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2013 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 06 2013 04:30 Vivax wrote:
Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it.

I'm not too sure between jay and Prome currently but Prome just did something that I don't think I would see him doing as mafia. Jay instead is rather lurky that's not good. It makes sense to be scared to post as scum from his perspective.

My top priority remains Artanis as of now, I don't like how he hooked onto a bad argument to vote for me and his start into the game remains scummy.


List 'o questions:
1) What is the rationale behind your Jay policy lynch pre-game?
2) Since when do you FoS players?


1) The only rationale was: I just finished reading the game, had no real scumread and threw down a vote on a guy who didn't post in the game yet before going to uni. Don't think he posted before since the game started.

2) You think someone is scum or not scum for pressuring with a FoS instead of a vote? What is the difference between FoS and a vote except for the function of hammering a vote brings with it? I bet you will try to skip this question.

Feel free to answer this question if you like but even talking about this seems so stupid I will just leave that as optional for you.

Since when? When I feel like pressuring people, problem amigo?

Because it's a massive difference in psychology. A FoS is vastly different from a vote in terms of confidence. A FoS indicates you don't really want to vote them yet, but are suspicious of them. A vote indicates a greater degree of certainty. The fact that you went from a FoS to a vote with nothing happening in between shows that you realized your lapse of logic in the meantime and tried to salvage the situation by voting on me and hoping no one would notice. It's a subconscious thing.

I just checked if you used it before. You did so once, when you were scum., and once when you were town. The difference is, in the scum game you changed your mind an hour and a half in. In the town game, you changed your mind over the course of two days and didn't even end up voting for the guys you FoSed. Your current meta matches up with your scum game, and not your town game.


When I mentioned the Vivax "FoS" thing, he went through all his games and found all the instances of that in Vivax's meta. That's far too much :effort: for scum. Scum would accept my allegation as 100% true rather than such a specific filter dig.


That's incorrect, I do things that show effort as scum too, I dig up meta and post notes and shit. What we see here is just an effort to ride on an awful points trying to imply I'm scum based on a time difference between a FoS and a vote which is so ridiculous I don't want to discuss the basic flaws of it like Artanis wants me to.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 20:35 GMT
#257
Am I not allowed to treat my scumreads nicely and ask them if they agree with a course of action?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
March 05 2013 20:45 GMT
#267
There is more than one scum in this game, I pick a read instead of another one since no one seems to agree on my Artanis read. I still would lynch.

This discussion is not productive we need to decide who to lynch. Who disagrees with a Prom lynch step ahead now. Who agrees with Artanis lynch as well.

[fluff]
On March 06 2013 05:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote:
Am I not allowed to treat my scumreads nicely and ask them if they agree with a course of action?

I like it generally, but it's not characteristic of you.

You don't normally board the loveboat.

It's so weird seeing you on it.


Well I had the idiotic habit of spouting "scum" at people while preaching showers of arguments why they were scum, turning it into flamewars where I would always look bad afterwards and gave my scumreads a reason to not reply to my points, so I'm playing town the nicer way now, or at least I try to. I will still call arguments stupid when I think they are.[/fluff]
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