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nobodywonder
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nobodywonder
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nobodywonder
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Gonna reread our policy and see if theres anything to do | ||
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nobodywonder
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On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote: Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! In addition to Daishi I dont think bduddy? (Did I spell it right) has posted | ||
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nobodywonder
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Stop lurking and contribute ~ | ||
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nobodywonder
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Vote: ##bduddy | ||
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nobodywonder
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Idk this situation. Well I feel provoking a response from lurkers would be nice | ||
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nobodywonder
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we need to create an atmosphere of clarity, and transparency and one main thing is no lurkers. thats why i voted bduddy, just want him to respond. we need a fundamental level of contribution. we cant have an afk town and win. we cant let lurkers lurk. thats a very dangerous situation - can lead to mislynchs and town HAS to pressure to contributing. | ||
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nobodywonder
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SO Pressuring lurkers to contribute => they contribute. the goal is get contribution (not to lynch, unless necessarily) | ||
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nobodywonder
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anyways sleepy | ||
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nobodywonder
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@OmniEulogy, as for the lynching, I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker, still in this case bduddy. personal issues, i dont buy it completely. regardless, he should give some takes @Chew thats what I'm contributing. telling the lurkers to speak up and contribute disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla he hasn't really contributed. all he says is to reserve judgment and not vote, but his gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing. i'd say that's a contradiction and that he should really be actively pursuing leads. most of his statements have been rather wishy-washy And his observation that reserved judgment about me was right after WoS's statement that reserved judgment for me. and also his post about Taco, which was also right after Matriarch. I dont think this is coincidence These actions can be summarized by attitudes such as 1. indecision 2. not wanting to point fingers 3. avoiding responsibility. he takes no definite positions that would risk his flexibility and result in self-contradictions. | ||
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nobodywonder
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@Krafla I'd really like to see why you suspect Taco. Give reasons, don't just second someone. You're looking scummy in my eyes. | ||
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nobodywonder
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Definitely will switch to Krafla after bduddy's reaction. | ||
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nobodywonder
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@OE.. hmmmm his posts are really long and windy, just check his filter. just like krafla, his posts are either useless or just too long, may indicate somewhat scummy + Show Spoiler + Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla+ Show Spoiler + karla @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ however one of the most interesting thing is where he chastises Raven + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess? As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit. First thing On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time. However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then. I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly. This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations. why would he even defend Raven? Raven has played like a noob or somewhat scummy (see: "I guess I'm just dumb"), why wouldn't OE try to pressure Raven. As I see it, OE and Raven have the same allegiance and confirm each other's role. therefore possibly both mafia or chobolings. | ||
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nobodywonder
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ok cool thanks bduddy for contributing, agree about the Arctic Daishi thing. I'd like replies from the non-voters too. I will reread the filters and get ready to make my case. | ||
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No need for yourself to declare innonence so early while other possible bandwagoners such as Chew haven't explained themselves. I expect you to expect great things - of both town and scum. MLuneth + Show Spoiler + ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? remember MLuneth, you yourself targeted lurkers and that was Arctic Daishi, lurked, and did not switch vote until after basically a consensus was made by the forum to ignore Daishi As for your question to Rainbow, what circumstances would you lynch a lurker. this question isn't even irrelevant. the consensus was already made. this post only strikes to further meaningless talk. besides that seems more like a PM to the town or scum coach. On March 08 2013 14:52 MLuneth wrote: EBWOP My view at the time was and still remains is that unless I am confident that there is a high chance of an active person being scum I will Vote for an inactive scummy Lurker alright, show your confidence in me being scum. you should have switched your vote a lot sooner then | ||
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nobodywonder
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On March 09 2013 01:58 Arctic Daishi wrote: Raven and Wave retracted their votes for Karfla, I figured I would follow in suite. Sorry, I'm such a noob at this. I'd like to hear your thoughts on scumreads, stay up to date. Chew explain your vote on me and hows your scumreads | ||
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after all, most of you guys all have rather small filters and this hinders what other people can make of you | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:25 ChewOnStu wrote: Lynch All Lurkers can be a pretty scummy tactic as it gives scum an excuse to kill off town. PRESSURING lurkers on the otherhand... However I believe its still a little early to consider someone lurking at the moment. Also going to withhold my vote until i have more to go on. Ok, you believe that pressuring lurkers is good, but you're hesitant, since it's early game. So valid, yet you never pressure anyone. You're just content to sit back. As town, why would you do so? As scum, it's a perfect justification for lurking and waiting. On March 08 2013 02:20 ChewOnStu wrote: @OmniEulogy I meant that lynching purely for posting little/not posting at all could be bad. However simply voting for a lurker can put pressure on them to talk and then if the person voting is satisfied with said lurkers answer they should remove their vote, so i agree with this. However, putting pressure on a lurker and not having a response by near the end of the day then a prod/replacement could be potentially needed. Although to completely answer your question: Lurkers could be questioned for reads, opinions etc as well as being voted for. This is so wishy-washy, your logic is confounded by however this, however that. Make a stand 1. Lynch lurkers maybe bad 2. Vote lurker may put pressure, I agree 3. If pressured lurker replies, then good 4. you summarize: lurkers could be questioned for reads, opinions? with pt 4, I'm wondering why don't you pursue lurkers then. You should some of questioning for reads, opinions and voting. All these actions contrast with your sudden vote on me On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote: Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself. ##vote: nobodywonder @nobodywonder what do you make of the game so far? Any suspicions other than bduddy's lack of posting? You reserved so much judgment about getting lurkers, yet you are so eager to simply follow, at that time's Taco's vote on me. Hardcore sheep. If you're town, the only explanation is that you're a noobie, but I doubt it because I believe if you're town, you would show your thought process. Against me your only evidence is that I am scummy because I complain about lurkers and I have no contributions. But you, yourself, reserved judgment lurkers and have few contributions. Why are you so against my complaining? 1. Your sudden reversal from no lynch but pressure lurkers to vote me feels scummy. I feel it's a too convienent way for you to stay away from attention with your reserved judgment on lurkers. That combined with your lack of following your own policy seems very contradictory and if not scummy, is poor town play. 2. You havent actively contributed, and have only replied to questions. As town, why? You need to be proactive and get going. Stick your neck out. 3. Attacking me is an easy and convenient way out and is not consistent with your 1) lurker policy 2) lack of active contributions 4. Lastly you poked me with a question, I answered it. That would have a great moment for you to contribute and say what you feel about my then scumread Krafla to show your towniness. Why would you ever avoid an opportunity to contribute to the discussion. and now you have fell off the face of the earth after this vote. Rainbow and Meat called you out on this. I call out you too, you are one of my top scumreads. Explain yourself ##Unvote ##ChewOnStu | ||
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