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Adam4167
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Adam4167
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I agree with Yamato, If i see scum, i'll make my case and duel them. Forcing two other people to duel at your behest is weak - man up, take responsibility for your reads. Dieno, your opening post was quite bad. You seem to be trying to make friends with and please everyone, while saying absolutely nothing of value. Step it up or get dueled tomorrow. | ||
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On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote: right Adam, and it's people like you who will fuck up the game. How so? Why are you afraid to put your own life on the line, for someone who backs their reads as much as you usually do? | ||
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On February 25 2013 10:10 marvellosity wrote: Ah yes. The legends of TL Mafia - Foolishness, syllogism, sandroba, Palmar, Adam, and yamato. My bad  Snide remarks are very unbecoming. You rated my town play in WLIIA Mafia, why are you so quick to put it down here? | ||
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On February 25 2013 10:18 Sylencia wrote: Because this game doesn't revolve around just you and your reads. We're not going to have a read on a single person every duel phase, we're most likely going to have multiple people. If you put those people against each other, it works out a lot better for town because you see 2 players' defenses, and oust a potential scum. Putting yourself against the person you have a read against isn't likely to give that much option to the defender. Even if they are town, they are very likely doomed to die in that spot and it's a complete waste of a duel. My game revolves around me and my reads because its all I have to work with. Ill just have to make sure my reads are spot on then, to not 'completely waste duels', as you put it. | ||
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On February 25 2013 10:29 cDgCorazon wrote: Right now, I would kill Yamato because he looks like he is going to go rogue the whole game and not listen to us at all. He's also expecting me to have scum reads 6-7 pages into the game and expecting every post I make to be an attack on someone. He changed the subject to put the focus on my lack of scum reads this early in the game (sheeping on your notion earlier that I was being wishy-washy, it's an unoriginal argument which is really scummy seeing as there's been so little discussion). Basically, he wants the thread to be like the "Reign of Terror" from the French Revolution. I'm pretty sure that is not necessary for us to catch the scum. A close second is Adam who has displayed the same desire to go rogue but hasn't been as abrasive. So, you would kill someone for being 'anti-town' in your opinion, as opposed to them actually being scum? Nothing you've pointed out indicates Yamato is scum in the slightest. How do I rate lower than Yamato if i'm being less abrasive? Would that not be indicative of me being more likely to be scum? | ||
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Here's your initial post cut down: On February 25 2013 09:29 Dienosore wrote: - Snarf/Marv's plan to use all of our time to get a majority before dueling seems like the best and most logical path of action. No complaints there. You agree with the general consensus of the thread. Adds nothing. On February 25 2013 09:29 Dienosore wrote: - Yamato, easy on the trigger amigo. I can see some merit to what you are saying, though. It might be very beneficial for the town to have someone like you who is willing to duel in order to prove alignment, as long as you follow the general town consensus. Could help to keep everyone honest... ...On the other hand, you might be mafia... in which case having you as a baseline enforcer would only result in towny deaths. Until you get cleared somehow, I think we should stick with the plan to just take our time. You tell yamato to stop acting how he's acting, yet you can see the merit of how hes acting, then you waffle a couple of sentences about him being either alignment, then conclude with 'just do what everyone else is doing'. It says literally nothing of value. On February 25 2013 09:29 Dienosore wrote: - Corazon: I don't know you, therefore I don't not like you! <3 Not sure why marv is putting doubt on you already, but I generally trust him. Is there something about you I should know? Here you buddy Corazon, saying you are unsure why marv is doing what hes doing, but you generally trust marv, but you don't state if you're trusting him THIS TIME and agree with his read on Corazon or whether you disagree as you hinted at in the beginning. Again, this is just a nothing paragraph. On February 25 2013 10:41 Dienosore wrote: How was my opening post bad lol. I said hello, gave my stance on the things being discussed at the moment (there wasnt much happening). I am a friendly guy, you should know this from our previous games. I was trying to get more info on someone I didnt know before I formed an opinion on them. However, you implying you want to duel with your first post seems way sketchy. No discussion, no case, just PLAY BETTER OR DIE lol How does anything you say accomplish information extraction as you say? "Is there something about you I should know?" is about as vague as anything you could post and it went completely ignored as a result. I didn't imply I wanted to duel, I specifically stated it. You deem it 'way sketchy'. Is that scummy? if you think its scummy, then call it what it is. Its not 'PLAY BETTER OR DIE' its 'you have less than 24 hours to change my mind, or we duel'. | ||
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On February 25 2013 11:37 cDgCorazon wrote: Yes, but making a bunch of relatively weak scum reads would accomplish the same goal of appearing to contribute. They don't even need to be flipped. Dropping weak scum reads will still draw attention to you, something scum try to avoid generally. They also have to be backed up with some form of sense or logic or they are seen for exactly what they are, garbage. | ||
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On February 25 2013 11:46 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Dieno's post wasn't wishy-washy. I just think it didn't have much of a purpose, and he put too much fluff into it. He basically said that he agreed with Marv and Snarf (which is basically repeating what had been said before), told Yamato to hold off on his itchy trigger finger (which was also being repeated), and made some weirdly-shown suspicion towards me. It was very sheepy, but not wishy-washy. How was it not wishy-washy? It was just a stream of thoughts with no conclusion, considering both possibilities of yamato's alignment and settling on neither. His thoughts on marvs interaction on you was equally as pointless. That is the definition of wishy-washy. | ||
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On February 25 2013 12:05 cDgCorazon wrote: Hi Adam, nice to see that you have chosen my post to respond to in place of all of the other arguments. Very nice... Wishy-washy (in my eyes) is saying things that are contradictory to each other. Nothing that he said was contradictory. I'm not saying that the post wasn't completely pointless and basically just fluff, but "wishy-washy" was not an accurate description of Dieno's post. In place of all other arguments? I made a case against dieno, now i'm waiting for his response. Wake up. That is not the definition of wishy-washy. Wishy-washy is being vague, non-committal and generally without purpose. | ||
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On February 25 2013 12:17 Dienosore wrote: Just me being friendly. Would you have been happy if I just followed suit and jumped on the anti Corazon bandwagon? And it wasn't a nothing paragraph... I was asking for someone (anyone) to volunteer more info. No, id have liked to you of actually commented on what you thought of his alignment DIRECTLY. You said you didn't see what marv saw, therefore null right? Then you go on to say that marv is usually right, therefore you think Corazon was possibly scum? you implied both, said neither, and asked a throwaway question. On February 25 2013 12:17 Dienosore wrote: Information is power in this game, so I didn't really expect a detailed answer to my question. I went fishing and came up empty, big deal. I'll continue fishing until I get a bite. As for changing your mind, I have a feeling that no matter what I say you are still going to be gunning for me. Yes, I think you pushing for a instant duel with your first post is super scummy, especially when we have more than enough time to deliberate and come to a general consensus as a group. I can't see any town motivation in what you are doing right now. Which, ironically enough, means that we should duel. If I lose the vote and die, I'll flip green and you will have condemned yourself even further. If I win, then scumball down, victory for town. Bring it on. You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago. You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth. You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle. | ||
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On February 25 2013 12:47 cDgCorazon wrote: I still think Adam is lurking. Compared to most of the other people so far, he has been picking and choosing his times to talk very sparingly. Making one argument against Dieno and kind of attacking me/kind of not attacking me is really a drop in the ocean compared to the activity level the rest of the town has shown. I dropped my interest in you right about the time you said you wanted the two most abrasive and against-the-grain players to duel each other. That said to me that you are just being an emotional townie who wanted to get rid of people who weren't conforming to how you wanted the game played. I doubt scum would be making an argument like that, hence I have no interest in probing you further. | ||
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On February 25 2013 13:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Seriously, I was asked the question based off of 3-4 pages of the thread... If you seriously want to go hung-ho and call all of the shots, go ahead. There's no point in arguing with you, and I doubt my crappy internet can beat you to typing ##Duel once the Night period is over. Let's imagine a gung-ho player decides to duel someone that they have a scum read on, but the rest of the town does not agree with their reasoning. How do you choose between someone playing aggressive and someone you have a town read on? It's either going to result in the gung-ho player getting lynched or making a lynch that you are not happy with. Both are a waste of a Day cycle and are free kills for the scum basically. That's my biggest problem with you and Yamato's approach to the duel system. The fact that Yamato called me scum for it and that you are calling me emotional over it is absolutely ridiculous. I call you emotional because I just cant see the logic behind wanting the two people causing the most discussion to duel each other. Mafia that sit in the spotlight almost always fry, and as a general rule, try to avoid it. The likelyhood of either of us being scum is not good as a result. In your hypothetical, Id kill whoever was displaying the least value to the town, as in nomination mafia. We aren't all going to agree with every lynch, and there will come a time when you may have to choose between two people you have some form of a town read on. If we all unanimously agree on all our reads then either a) our reads are wrong because the scum are agreeing with us, or b) the scum team is so inept that they got clean swept. | ||
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On February 25 2013 16:24 Dienosore wrote: I've cooled off a bit on Adam. If he still wants to get some, I'm here to call his bluff, but I think our time is better spent looking at a few other people right now. His level of activity is about 10x's what I have seen in past games already. The connection between Marv and Snarf has me puzzled. I don't know what to make of it. Marv has heat coming in from a few directions, which is understandable considering how he has played so far, but Snarf on the other hand... he started off posting strong, boldly claimed towny, then kind of fell off the planet when people started agreeing with his policies. Seems fishy to just dump out like that after everything started agreeing and the spotlight was moved away. Secondly, Oatsmaster jumped into the conversation a bit late, but the way he did it has me a little suspicious. He instantly threw doubt on Cora and started attacking Marv. He hasn't said anything super incriminating yet, but he is definitely on my 'To Watch' list. Overall, there just really isn't enough info yet for me to be 100% about any read. I'm not even going to pretend I'm that good at mafia after two games to where I can call people out like that on day one. I definitely have a few suspicions, though I don't really see a reason to muddy up the waters with my speculation right now. Its not a bluff, I will call someone out for a duel when i'm satisfied that its the right call. In regards to your point on Oats - what is the likely-hood that a scum-Oats would come into this game and choose to attack a town-marv directly on day 1? | ||
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I'm not interested in seeing Snarfs duel. Zarepath - I've given out reads on several players other than deino. | ||
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As per my question to deino, scum oats would not take town Marv head on. | ||
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I fully support this duel between Thrawn and Keirathi. Thrawn is taking ownership of his reads, something I mentioned yesterday, I respect that. That case against me was god awful, stinks of nothing-scum-case. It does nothing to illustrate why i'm scum, only that I was using logic that shows I think i'm town and everyone else should think it too. | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:27 thrawn2112 wrote: it doesn't have to be thrawn vs kei. in fact I prefer it to be kei vs someone else however i'm willing to do it If you will not, I will. My 'bravado', ask Keirathi put it, was not an act. | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:49 Keirathi wrote: I would be fine dueling thrawn. My point was, I think that would be easy for you to fake, especially in light of someone else already saying the exact same thing (so you could back out of it and just be like "Oh Yam did it first, sorry guyz"), and then using the opportunity to manipulate town opinion. If you're town, what was your goal with that statement? I can only see trying to bully people into a read of you, and I don't know why you would need to do that as town. My goal was to a) illustrate that I thought Yamato was town for going against the grain, as I was, and b) to stop people (corazon mainly) wasting time on focusing on someone I feel is clearly not scum. I feel like it did a good job of accomplishing those objectives. | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm getting the feeling that you have a town read on me.. is your scum read that strong on kei that you're willing to put both of us up for lynch? How's your read on deino going? I have you leaning town, yes, in virtue of your defending me against what I consider a sub-par case. I think his play this game is lacking the curiosity and conviction i see in most townies, with most of his posts being general statements as opposed to pursuing someone to discern their alignment. He does not seem to be looking for scum. My read on Deino remains unchanged leaning frustrated. Hes come back, posts more nothing, then slinks off again. I was willing to give him some time, as we had plenty, but my patience is evaporating. He never explained his 'Marv-Snarfs' connection that doesn't even exist, nor answer my question on Oats. | ||
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