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If the role permits, can the same player duel multiple nights in a row?
Also, I've had it with this little break from mafia. Missing too many fun games.
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LF1M Epic Mafia Game! Pref experience. Any class!
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Hi guys, all is well: I've arrived. If there's something specific you want me to comment on, let me know. Catching up on the thread now.
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I disagree with Iamp. I have no clue about yamato's meta, but being incredibly dumb about a pro-town policy without proposing a viable, useful, alternative is not a town trait. Yamato's participation in the thread so far has been to try to disrupt Marv's policy. That is not in town's best interest and the whole policy discussion so far has been all the dumber for it.
@Marv: why do you feel Cora is scummy for opposing your policy, yet have said nothing about Yamato?
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On February 25 2013 07:54 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 07:50 yamato77 wrote:
So do you think Sylencia is mafia for it, Cora?
Is it scummy for him to do what you point out? You left out any comment on his alignment. Sarcastic responses aside, it's a scummy move but it is only one post. He's still a null read. If I think he is scum somewhere down the line, I'll let you all know.
Why do you feel him being angry at you for past games is a "scummy move"?
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And I guess I should state for the record that I agree with:
1. Using the duel deciding time to scumhunt and any gung-ho play will be punished. Yamato, it really isn't that hard, if someone goes all gung-ho on the duel, THEY get lynched (think bangbang mafia).
2. Pressuring scumspects to duel each other is an excellent policy and promotes town discussion AND the chance of lynching scum. Anybody who is not in the duel is off the hook. Whereas the two players dueling will be in the spotlight. Having an obvious or even confirmed townie means that neither of the dueling partners will feel much pressure: the obvious townie is fairly secure and the scumspect knows there's no chance to argue himself out of the lynch.
Result: instant majority in 10 minutes and the game moves on to night. Great if the scumspect was scum, but gives no information if we mislynch. If, instead, we have 2 people that the thread disagrees about who is scummiest, but are both scumspects, this will cause discussion about them, AND they will be incentivized to defend themselves.
Obviously, can't allow this to result in a no-duel, but as Marv said, there is really very little risk of that.
That was my input on the policy discussion. Lets get to scumhunting.
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On February 25 2013 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
That's so absurdly dumb and wrong I am almost certain you're mafia.
All I've said the whole time is that I don't think it's going to work, and that I'll be there to fix the problem if it doesn't.
Many times I have said I am not messing with the policy itself unless I feel like it isn't working.
What about that is so difficult to understand, Acro?
On February 25 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 06:39 yamato77 wrote:
What you're proposing is a policy, and one that is insanely difficult to enforce.
I understand how having one town looking player duel one mafia looking player might stagnate discussion after the duel. I do think I will be able to extract enough information from the selection period to make a good lynch decision on my own, however, should town fail to implement you guy's plan effectively. Hence the policy I proposed earlier. @ MarvOn February 25 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I'll talk about it more after dinner. I don't like Corazon already. Can you expand on Cora? Policies are bad, because no one ever follows them and even if you do, it's a fucking policy and there's no discussion. Hapa you're not this retarded.
This is pretty obviously NOT saying you think the policy is fine, but needs a backup plan. In fact, you call the policy bad, say there won't be discussion from it and call Hapa retarded for being in favour of the policy.
Which one is it?
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On February 25 2013 09:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 09:31 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
That's so absurdly dumb and wrong I am almost certain you're mafia.
All I've said the whole time is that I don't think it's going to work, and that I'll be there to fix the problem if it doesn't.
Many times I have said I am not messing with the policy itself unless I feel like it isn't working.
What about that is so difficult to understand, Acro? On February 25 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote:On February 25 2013 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 06:39 yamato77 wrote:
What you're proposing is a policy, and one that is insanely difficult to enforce.
I understand how having one town looking player duel one mafia looking player might stagnate discussion after the duel. I do think I will be able to extract enough information from the selection period to make a good lynch decision on my own, however, should town fail to implement you guy's plan effectively. Hence the policy I proposed earlier. @ MarvOn February 25 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I'll talk about it more after dinner. I don't like Corazon already. Can you expand on Cora? Policies are bad, because no one ever follows them and even if you do, it's a fucking policy and there's no discussion. Hapa you're not this retarded. This is pretty obviously NOT saying you think the policy is fine, but needs a backup plan. In fact, you call the policy bad, say there won't be discussion from it and call Hapa retarded for being in favour of the policy. Which one is it? Hapa's backup policy was bad, because it implied an immediate lynch candidate for breaking the plan that no one would end up following. I have said multiple times that Marv's plan is a good one if town is compliant. The problem I have said, also many times, is that town is not always compliant, even if/when Marv is town. Are you just not reading?
I looked over your filter again and you never actually say that. Thanks for clearing it up. However, if Hapa's policy is bad, what is your backup plan: you say you will duel your scumread. Will players not wanting to duel themselves not influence those scumreads?
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On February 25 2013 09:43 yamato77 wrote:
Cora is mafia.
Discuss.
I disagree. Why do you think Cora is scum?
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On February 25 2013 09:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't think much policy related thought needs to go into dueling. The more arbitrary rules and policies we try to enforce, the more rules and policies scum have available to hide their actions behind. Let the game flow naturally as to counteract unnatural reads brought on by unnatural/arbitrary policies.
lol, clearly this town ain't big enough. that much is already apparent
Those first posts are a bitch to write, aren't they? Way to say nothing!
What do you think of yamato and cora?
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On February 25 2013 10:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 09:08 Acrofales wrote:
I disagree with Iamp. I have no clue about yamato's meta, but being incredibly dumb about a pro-town policy without proposing a viable, useful, alternative is not a town trait. Yamato's participation in the thread so far has been to try to disrupt Marv's policy. That is not in town's best interest and the whole policy discussion so far has been all the dumber for it.
@Marv: why do you feel Cora is scummy for opposing your policy, yet have said nothing about Yamato? just because someone is acting dumb dosen't mean they are scum. Yamato has shown an interest in the game doesn't care that he is making a spectacle of himself has shown aggression those good sir are town traits
Not for everybody.
Anyway, lets stop discussing town reads at night, shall we?
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Yo, newbies. Why are you all slinging mud at each other? All I get from this is that yamato and cora don't like each other and are calling each other scum for stupid reasons.
You two should stop shitting up the thread and look at other people than each ohter.
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On February 25 2013 11:41 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:40 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me. hey you ive been looking at you. you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff) you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper why you not putting anything original in the thread you scum dog? I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post. As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point: On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp he attacked me means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all. scum thrawn should no better than to attack me On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances?????????????? as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid. How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative? Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours. yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again. but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes. Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? lol i have to explain why dino first post was scummy to you??? how about you go read it. Newbie player makes wishy-washy newbie post. Your turn. dino was so easy to read in chrono checkmate
That's a complete misrepresentation of dino in that game and you know it. Dieno's claim to townhood was making a plan which was ridiculous and coming up with a crazy campaign for team leader. He also claimed in order to get included in the party. All-in-all, it was enough for a town read on a complete newbie. Dieno is no longer a complete newbie.
Also, Dieno was mislynched in Parallel Universe for his wishy washy opening post and not delivering afterwards. If you're trying to say Dieno is scum for not living up to CT, you need to do better than that and read his other games as well. So far I have no clue about Dieno's alignment, but the meta you just plonked in here is completely wrong.
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On February 25 2013 05:54 Keirathi wrote:
Hola gents.
Fear the 10 paces, filthy scum.
Going over the player list reminded me of this. Why bother posting this? It's his only contribution. Imho this is even worse than Snarf.
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On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.
Acro do you have any reads?
I do. Nothing concrete yet, and I don't yell and scream unless I have something to yell and scream about.
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On February 25 2013 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I think iamp's scum. I can't feel the townie thought process behind his posts and his explanations are short and dismissive.
You seem to know him quite a bit better than I do. Please explain to me how this is different from when he's town?
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On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
This is completely contradictory.
In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there.
In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game.
Therefore Marv is scummy this game.
This makes no sense to me.
Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players?
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On February 25 2013 12:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:13 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, what do you think of Hapa? Somewhat suspicious. Witness: On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:
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yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think
i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again.
but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes.
Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.
Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.
Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.
Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals. this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view says he is excited he is town then proceeds to do nothing discuss. iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious. Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing. Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon? because i felt like it. Fuck it that a town iamp response if I've ever seen one. Time to look into some other peeps.
Iamp's last scumgame was GSL 3, about 4 months ago. Since then he's played quite a bit of town. Do you really think this one easy sentence is enough to proclaim him town?
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On February 25 2013 12:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:22 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 12:18 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:13 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:
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Somewhat suspicious. Witness:
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iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious. Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing. Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon? because i felt like it. Fuck it that a town iamp response if I've ever seen one. Time to look into some other peeps. Iamp's last scumgame was GSL 3, about 4 months ago. Since then he's played quite a bit of town. Do you really think this one easy sentence is enough to proclaim him town? That "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" mentality is town-iamp in a nutshell. Also, his activity is vastly-improved from when I started off on him. So it's a combination of the attitude that sentence purveys and his increased activity.
But he's had that attitude all game. Thrawn thought he was scum for it, you think he's town for it. I have no clue, I'd say he's playing pretty similar to the start of CT, where he was town, but I thought he could be scum. He is aggressive and doesn't give a shit.
However, the reasons I doubt him are still the same: he gives no reasons, isn't forceful about his reads and has this post:
On February 25 2013 07:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 07:02 yamato77 wrote:On February 25 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think town will? As far as I can see you're the one in the thread being retarded so far, so if it does it'll be because of people like you.
Like I said, the last thing town needs is someone like you playing the hero. The last thing town needs is a bunch of people yelling at each other to duel someone else. But whatever, do what you want. I'm only going to duel someone if things go bad, which I think they will. If they go your way, good, but I doubt it. Town is rarely that cooperative. meh you just haven't experienced many good towns im gonna guess mafia will be under pressure from this setup im gonna guess since time is on our side. And looking at the player list some of the better players will likely be town so we will be able to sweat the mafia i would say
This post is pointless, but a suspicious mind might think why even bother bringing it up? How does Iamp know that good players are likely town, rather than scum?
I don't say anything of it is very conclusive, but given that you and thrawn reach different conclusions based on the same meta, one of you must be wrong and getting some more info on why you think the meta makes him town is important.
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On February 25 2013 12:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:33 Dienosore wrote:
@marv: I've already mentioned that I trust you. If you sincerely believe that he isn't scum, then I will reconsider my hard stance. However, I would be a fool to not remain extremely suspicious until something happens that definitively clears up the situation.
@Hapa: He didn't just make a post about me. He called me out for a duel with his first post based on my first post. To me, this screams scum. why would you think someone being super aggressive is scummy should mean the opposite no?
Aggression isn't a scum- or a town-tell. Aggression is simply aggression. Case in point: Mocsta NMM 37.
Also, VE is pretty aggressive as either alignment. Just to name some examples.
That said, Adam tends to lurk wayyyy too much as scum. His activity and early pressure on Dieno are uncharacteristic for his scum play. Too early to really tell, though.
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