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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 15 2013 07:42 GMT
#40
/in

I'm back :D Didja miss me?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 17 2013 07:29 GMT
#119
I think it's supposed to go up to around 30 people (or whenever BC decides to start). I think he just arbitrarily ended at 18 when adding people to the list.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 18 2013 23:19 GMT
#177
Some forewarning: A friend's birthday is tomorrow so I'll be out right around when the game starts. I probably won't be able to post for the first few hours (possibly the first 12 hours or so).
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 19 2013 22:49 GMT
#191
/confirm
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 00:54 GMT
#465
I'm finally back after an... interesting birthday celebration. It took me longer than I expected to get time to post.

I, myself, will not be running for mayor for reasons I feel are obvious to anyone who's seen me play. After a pretty quick read through the thread, I would feel most comfortable voting austin for mayor because he's an option that I'm familiar with.

##Vote austinmcc

I still have more reading to do before I get any significant scumreads, but if anyone wants me to answer anything I'll be here for a few hours.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 01:09 GMT
#476
Toad: I think that sounds good, but who is "some idiot we all know to be town"? How do we find and agree on someone like that?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 06:32 GMT
#695
On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:
On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:
On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba

If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.

If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.

Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.

I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah.

Vivax wtf kind of post is this?

Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise.

Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate.

This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you.

Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me.

I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time.

Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?

Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +
remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town
to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose?

You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats.


This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost.

His mayoral election run is a null tell

But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 06:50 GMT
#702
On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw

Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?

Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me

This is what your previous post got me thinking. I did the same thing, because I knew I wouldn't be as good as many other players in the game. Dammit... I was finally feeling reasonably sure about something, and now I'm unsure what to think again.

debears: Do you think vivax is overall null, or just his candidacy?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 18:18 GMT
#832
Caught up :D

I'm for an austin, FT, or gonzaw mayor (and sheriff). I think my vote will be switching over to FT though. Austin is the only one of them that I've played with before, so I felt more comfortable with him. However, I've agreed with everything FT's said, and I think he would be the best sheriff atm. I'm ignoring the fact that he's smurfing because I typically don't work on meta anyway, and I think he's a good player based on everything I've seen from him. I feel similarly about gonzaw (minus the smurfing bit), but FT feels like more of a constant to me (if that makes sense), which I think I value in a mayor.

As for who I think we should lynch today, I believe a prplhz lynch is best. I'm a bit troubled because iirc I always find prplhz scummy early, but every time I read one of FT's posts about him I'm re-convinced.

I'm going to try to start dealing with specifics instead of the generics I've been using to this point, since I feel like I finally have some kind of handle on the game XD
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 21:15 GMT
#907
On January 22 2013 04:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes, definitely. I'm wary on lynching prpl based on FT voters. Oats may still not be mafia, i don't think mkfuba can. Also I'm back to JX being likely scum based on how the thread is going and his activity after his suspicion faded away.

You actually think it's impossible for me to be town based on my posts? I'll be the first to admit that I'm bringing little to the table right now (no one is constantly aware of it as much as I am), but I'm giving what I can. I don't see how I'm 100% scum, especially when I know that it's just the opposite.

I find that people frown upon reads based on unexplained "feelings", which is pretty much all I have regarding everyone in this game thus far. Things that other people have latched onto as significant evidence of town or scum aren't really convincing me. I don't know if I'm just not following, or I disagree. I guess I'm mainly just waiting for my "A-ha!" moment, the one where I feel something's up, and am able to pinpoint its source. Until then, I'm roughly an observer. That's why I ask for questions, to force my own involvement. To give me a means of entering the game. Otherwise, I'll just argue with myself instead of posting in the thread. I did it in the game you linked, as well.

As for what I said sounding "fake", I don't know what to tell you. I felt like I finally had something to latch onto. That got taken away. Now all I have are a few town reads, and some "maybe scum" reads that I'm basically taking from the people I'm thus far trusting. What I said was how I felt.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 21:22 GMT
#912
On January 22 2013 06:19 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:
*snip*

On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.

You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.

I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.

Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.


No one would bother to slowly dissect your long post for a time zone when your tag says US.

Don't need to give me a defense that was already mentioned, wth can't you even realise yet that I don't think it's very likely that you're scum? I was very worried about being too rude and pissing you off.

But I guess I should be clear: I think it's more likely that you didn't change from our first game rather than you being scum.

Cool story, if that's the only argument I think you just got lucky that game and you're townie then.



Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:
Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag


Wouldn't it be funny if I just hit scum with my time-zone-unawareness-argument and no one still commented on this or how JX dodged my question?

He clearly lied about it. Could just have said: "Meh, didn't think about it". Doesn't it make him look like he knows he's guilty?

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 03:22 Vivax wrote:
On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:
Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag


Cool, why did you lie then?



This question is especially relevant for the people thinking he's town.



Is that really indicative of him being scum, though? He may have assumed US for one reason or another. Why is scum more likely to make that mistake than town?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 21:28 GMT
#917
Ah, so it's the fact that he hasn't responded to your question, and not his original mistake?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 21:36 GMT
#922
I'm still really confused. Did JX not admit his mistake right here?
On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:
Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag

If that's not his mistake, then which mistake did he not comment on?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 21:38 GMT
#923
EBWOP: 500th post! Yaaaaay~
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 22:14 GMT
#942
On January 22 2013 06:46 Vivax wrote:
You all (debears, mkfuba, austin) must be really super-convinced that austin and JX are town if you flak me like that for a tentative scum read.

What exactly do you want me to do? Isn't it electing austin? To lynch whom? Stutters for playing like I know him from D1? No thanks.

Look, I find people suspicious who shovelled shit at me for my absence.
I find people super suspicious who instead of posting their reasoning about it (like gonzaw did=semi-admitting that it wasn't a good point and in the end null cause I was sleeping)

write that they had a reason to do so cause of some outer reason that has nothing to do with their thinking (the US tag), which then turns out to be wrong.

When called out for it, they don't answer.

Tell me, wouldn't you suspect scum behind it? You seem to be really convinced that he is town.

I'm not "flakking" you. I didn't understand what you're actually saying. Like, it struck me as strange that he said your tag was US when you had no tag, but he immediately corrected that mistake. I then considered if that made him scummy. I decided it didn't. You are saying that he didn't call attention to his mistake, which he (somewhat) did by editing what he said. So either you think he's scum for something that didn't happen, or I misunderstood the situation. I think I understand you now, so I'm gonna wait and see how JX responds.

But don't put words in my mouth and expect me to take it. I said nothing about JX being town. I said I didn't see how your issues with him made him scum.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 21 2013 22:29 GMT
#948
On January 22 2013 07:27 Vivax wrote:
If you don't think JX is town, then maybe you should let him respond to my argument by himself.

Good that you bring up annul, FT. Would you deem him lynch worthy?



Exactly what I said.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 22 2013 03:34 GMT
#1101
It was me.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 22 2013 19:06 GMT
#1283
regarding Vivax's case
Alright, worked my way through Vivax's case, as well as the relevant parts of gonzaw and JX's filters. In all honesty most of the case had me thinking, "I do this, and I've never been scum... How is it really a scumtell?" I'm aware that I'm typically I'm a big question mark on everyone's spreadsheets, but I've never been mislynched for it (vigi'd once though). That's also pretty much all I've done this game so far (aside from voting for FiveTouch and a prplhz lynch), so it made me wonder what the difference was. I guess the supposed difference is that JX explicitly expresses the idea that multiple people are scummy, and then questions other people about other people instead. I guess I could see where Vivax is coming from, somewhat. I don't feel like it's enough to make me want to lynch JX.

Fortunately, JX himself responded to the case in the time it's taken me to write this, so I don't need to go all speculative (or at least type up all the speculation whirling through my head). I actually liked his answer. His explanation, while perhaps one that could be faked, gives him a couple of townie points in my eyes. It's the answer I was looking for when it popped up in the thread.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 22 2013 19:45 GMT
#1302
On January 23 2013 04:38 yamato77 wrote:
Austin, I already outed Grush as mason.

Are people reading my filter?

I think austin is still working through the thread. He just came to sandroba's mason discussion I think. I'm also interested in what people (particularly grush) have to say about the yamato/grush mason post, but I don't really know what to make of it either.

A quick question that I think I know the answer to but I want to confirm. Are bodyguards alerted to the fact that they're bodyguards, or do only the elected officials know who they are?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#1317
On January 23 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote:
On January 23 2013 04:38 yamato77 wrote:
Austin, I already outed Grush as mason.

Are people reading my filter?

I think austin is still working through the thread. He just came to sandroba's mason discussion I think. I'm also interested in what people (particularly grush) have to say about the yamato/grush mason post, but I don't really know what to make of it either.

A quick question that I think I know the answer to but I want to confirm. Are bodyguards alerted to the fact that they're bodyguards, or do only the elected officials know who they are?

Fuba, what is your natural inclination about Grush's alignment given what he's posted, and the mason PMs I posted?

My natural inclination is keeping him as null/slight scum. I don't really know how to discern between a town and mafia grush, and his play this game so far doesn't have me leaning far one way or the other. I'm used to him being more active as town, if not necessarily useful. I certainly don't see him as useful thus far, but I could say that about a few people. I would say he might be a good vig hit, but if he's a town blue role then I wouldn't want to sacrifice that based on what we've seen so far. I can understand why you brought the PMs to the thread, but I don't know what to make of them either.
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