EPTFirst game with elections for me, I was wondering where those mayor games had gone.
Thanks BC!
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Hello fellow townspeople, I am writing from a desolate and close to the sea location slightly south of Rome, called Anzio. I am passing my weekends here, taking a break from my hard studies, and I will contribute my best to hunt scum in this game. ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGkA5cRt1so/T7QPaXKSSvI/AAAAAAAADJo/YgJgCe2rnTs/s1600/324-180-Giovanni_Falcone.jpg) I aim to take the seat of Mayor. The person in the picture will be the paragon of my play: Giovanni Falcone, Italy's greatest scumhunter of the past centuries. Since this great man was killed by a violent accident following the explosion of 500 Kg of TNT, I plan to achieve more longevity than him in order to achieve our goals. To do so, I will need bodyguards, I will need influence, and most importantly, I will need this seat to be free of scum to make sure that no corrupt politician will escape the vigilant eyes of our Detective(s). For this I can guarantee if you elect me! My agenda
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 10:43 prplhz wrote: i am running for mayor i will lynch chezinu that's non negotiable @Vivax Why are you running for mayor? All you say is "I might do this, I might do that, I don't like scum, vote for me." and it seems like you don't know why you are running for mayor either. Why would we put you into office over these vets that you're not going to lynch because of how valuable they are to town? I know why I'm running for Mayor: I am a potentially valuable townie. I know this by myself, although I might have no reputation to back it up for you. It's the duty of a townie to take these seats, to take them away from scum. But I already wrote this in my candidacy post, so I don't see why I should be redundant. Your question seems rather...rhetorical. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 10:35 AxleGreaser wrote: You seek my trust and endorsement, i seek your clarity of purpose, commitment to that purpose and lack of room to wriggle out of it. You say: "I am no friend of rigid policies" Cool they suck and get gamed easily as soon as there is any one fixed rule... (via a rock paper scissors paradigm) yet you also say... giving these guys, these dangerous vet guys your blessing on a free pass "I am not going to lynch players D1 of whom I know that they are potentially very valuable townies, simply put: Vets." sounds like a rigid policy After LVIII exactly how much can they now shit up the thread D1 on the back of your promise.... You say: "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people." I like pressure plays here is one of mine.... Where does the buck stop though? Does it ever stop with you? You say: "You will put responsibility into my hands, and by doing so you realize that I will make use of that responsibility as I see fit. " What exactly is it that goes with responsibility? Can you say.... You say: "I won't be an extra weight for bandwagons, by voting me you trust my judgement," Indeed we will be but how will we judge if we were right todo so... or are you claiming insinuating our mind must be irretrievably conformation biased after this? You say: " and by voting me you acknowledge that I might use my power day 1 to cause the lynch I see as best." I certainly do acknowledge that you may well have the wisdom and skill to choose other than town thinks. What wager were you placing on your call being right again? Hello Axle. I noticed your concern about my absence following the candidacy. It was a fair one, but it also looked overemphasized. As you see, I kindly provided you my time zone, and deadline for me is at 2 AM. I stuck around for 30 minutes before going to bed since I should be keeping a healthy rhythm. I was expecting early-game to be more active than that from the start. I think however that this will give me good indications on who is trying to paint me red based on my recent inactivity. These people obviously didn't use their brain and bother determining my time-zone to think of plausible reasons for suspecting me, and finding easy reasons to lynch a townie is a scummy trait, unless they believe that man should always play mafia past 3 AM. As I am writing this, Sandroba just noticed JieXian being one of them. Now to less serious matters, I will go through your points: 1. I didn't treat my veteran no-lynch-policy as a lynch-policy, cause...There, I wrote it. You are right at pointing out that I expressed it as a rigid policy however. Allow me to adapt to that. I am still going to pick a scummy candidate for lynch, but I would be extra careful about picking a veteran and personally dislike it for two reasons: I don't know you as well as you know each other; I already mentioned that the potential of losing a good townie is scary. 2. I don't know if I can consider yours to be pressure play. You are asking a mayor candidate questions. If you see it as pressure play, then maybe cause you see yourself forced to apply it rather than feeling like you're asking legitimate questions. 3 + 4. I mentioned what I mean with responsibility. If the majority of town wants a lynch, but I think another one is better, then I might pick the latter, even at risk of getting lynched. If you elect me you entrust me this power and know I might make use of it. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:14 AxleGreaser wrote: @Vivax A while ago, I made this post...http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17574831 In it I said.. You say: "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people." I like pressure plays here is one of mine.... Where does the buck stop though? Does it ever stop with you? At the time i was referring to pressure applied to mayoral candidates to be clear on their agenda. The thread turned up distracted me and I lost that. Please be aware I do read my own filter too. Thsoe uestions are also pertinent to your continued existence. Remeber you yourself want to leave the Lurkers to the Vigis Is it your intention to answer the questions I put to you? If not Why Not? You do remember we are also hunting scum today... yes? Ok this question gets past just mayoral priorities You say "After D1, lurkers will be attacked." Why not D1... You having posted your candidacy are now Lurking? Was that it? Lots of obsolete questions here, except for one: Why not attack lurkers Day1? "Attack" is the wrong word. I simply wouldn't lynch them Day1. There's the chance that they get modkilled, and there's the chance that they just avoid modkills, but that can only happen past Day1. Amirite? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Important matters Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian. (And just now, Oatsmaster, but he actually used his brain). Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian. That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read. Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be! | ||
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mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all. @ mkfuba07 Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect? @ Djodref Hello Djodref. You have been asking a lot of questions lately. May I beg for you to answer mine first? What do you think of JieXian? Who would you vote for Mayor right now? Any tentative scumreads? | ||
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Do you think I'm town? @ Yamato Do you have scumreads right now? Do you think I'm town?Who would you elect for Mayor? What do you think of JieXian? We need opinions on him. You said you're scum-hunting. Where are your reads then? Why answer questions and then rush out? | ||
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If you read the first lines of my candidacy, you should know I'm in the CET time zone. I said I'm south of Rome. That wasn't flavour. I'll let you know that I disregard your play, and quoting you again and answering to your points will be just another waste of time. You aren't hunting scum, you are tunneling a player and circle-jerking over single lines. You said you played two games, right? Well, if you are town, then start considering that there are 5 scum in this game. Or are you just trying to make my candidacy look bad? Well, no one seems willing to vote me yet, so why bother? I am curious though. What is your read on JieXian? I suppose you don't think I'm town? What do you make of Djo dodging my question? Do you have a read on him? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 21:53 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him. I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him. I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote. I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far. Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected. About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time  So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ? Could you also answer my questions now ? Thanks for sharing your reads Djo. I will answer your questions. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 20:19 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ? Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ? 1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer? 2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking. 3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that? I see 4 things: → getting gonzaw elected → defending Axle → drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote. → Joking with Toad about something from earlier games. He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting. | ||
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On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote: I have questions, too:
@ Mocsta Can you tell me why asking for a JieXian lynch isn't pressure? Do you want me to direct a question at him before asking for a lynch? Ok fine. @ JieXian Hey dude, I think you are scum, Problem? | ||
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What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. | ||
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Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I was looking for an answer, and this is it? You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway? | ||
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Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him? Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor? @ Clarity When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good. | ||
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Isn't he "professional" enough? That's not an answer to why you picked debears out of all lurkers by the way. Did you read the whole thread or do you just hook up to the closest case? | ||
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Do you have any other 'reads" besides debears? | ||
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1st of all: Tell us who you want to lynch. Tell us about your pool of favourite candidates. Tell us about the "sandroba" matter you were talking about earlier. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:17 gonzaw wrote: )You do realize it's a completely different kind of game than "standard" mafia right? The anti-town factions in that game weren't trying to hide like they do in normal games. I'm good at catching the anti-town guys trying to hide  Toad, what do you make of sandro not running for mayor? He didn't post anything other than that too, although I think he made another one-liner. For the life of me I can't figure out a "plan" town sandro can come up with that doesn't deal with him being mayor, so he's either bullshitting or severely sub-optimally playing (from his POV if he's town). Anyways it's getting late so Imma play some fifa and go to sleep You didn't talk about this matter any more? What is your opinion on sandro? Did you consider Toads' answer in reaching your judgement? On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: @Vivax: You being AFK after your candidacy post was weird because I'd think a townie would post his candidacy and hang around for a while to respond to questions. You going afk seemed too sudden as well. If you say you were sleeping, then I guess that's null and there's nothing we can do about it, since it's most likely true regardless of your alignment. Well, assume for a moment that I didn't go to sleep, since that's what you assumed initially. How would a player posting a candidacy and then simply lurking and not answering questions be mafia? What exactly would mafia want to accomplish by doing that? On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative. Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something. Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass. Can you show me where I'm aggressive? Can you show me where I'm not? Do you think that pressuring people to give out information is aggressiveness? Didn't you like my play? On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: I do have to say that I agree with austin that JieXian's 1st post wasn't as "scummy" as many people (you+sandro) pointed out, it's null at worst. I think the 1st posts from many other people would be "far" more scummy (in relation, not objectively at least), like our guy Stutters' up there, and maybe other's like FiveTouch, or maybe even debears. Expand on why you think JieXian's post looks townie. If it's null, tell me what about JieXian makes you think he's not to worry about. On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: Why did you give Jiexian so much flak Vivax? Why did you instantly want to lynch him instead of other's (based on their 1st post as well)? Do you want me to tell my scumreads that I really like them and that I don't want to lynch them? I am sure that's the way to get them talking /sarcasm. Bad question. Sorry bro, I thought you were the vet. JieXian was around, he was my top scumread, so he gets the flak. It's not hard. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: Speaking of those, 5's first post is somewhat suspicious: First statement in the whole game and it's just to cast doubt on someone random from the thread. Of course not mentioning the unfounded vote on austin...which to be honest is more of a null tell than scum tell since I can't really see much benefit to do so as scum, other than the usual "create chaos/wifom" strategy. He doesn't come in to post his thoughts on any current discussion, nor to be part of any discussion/etc. That's what townies usually do, to try to establish a nice town atmosphere, get info, and establish their innocence. Reminds me of JingleHell's first posts in Aperture Mafia 2 (where he was scum and i called him out for basically the same thing). There's not much about debears other than a "derp" start, so let's just wait and see what he does when he comes back. Don't you think it's a legitimate statement? Oats said: "JieXian only expressed a mayor preference, didn't specify anything else. Still, why call him scum?" According to you and Oats we should just ignore posts like these? We got explanations and reactions out JieXian, and that's not cause people were nice to him. | ||
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