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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2013 21:36 GMT
#37
/in

When will this start btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 12 2013 22:45 GMT
#62
On January 13 2013 06:38 Ruuch wrote:
/in

If you're a smurf, I'd like to know. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

He's not, he's my friend who has only played SC2 Mafia before (doesn't count I guess ).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:09 GMT
#93
On January 13 2013 07:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 07:45 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 06:38 Ruuch wrote:
/in

If you're a smurf, I'd like to know. Thanks.

He's not, he's my friend who has only played SC2 Mafia before (doesn't count I guess ).

I am concerned you had to reply for him, and he didn't.

I hope you are sure you don't want him to play newbies before. If he plays this one I will assume he has done enough self-research to not get himself modkilled at least.


Ofc regular rules I remind you guys of:
Don't talk about the game, out of this game. Don't PM (about the game) don't tell each other's alignment, etcetc.


Don't worry, if he doesn't participate I'll just kill him myself
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:27 GMT
#106
That smilie doesn't really mean anything, but rather look at jay's post before it.

On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him.
~~~
On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him

I'll have no qualms about that.

Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise.


The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure.

Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is.

You can step it up, Or get lynched your call.


That's just too aggressive for my taste. Did anyone else react like that to Kushm4sta's (trollish) posting? Why would it be scummy to draw attention without any need?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:32 GMT
#112
On January 13 2013 09:30 Ruuch wrote:
I'm town. Just putting that out there.


Yay, you're confirmed now xD
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:35 GMT
#115
But jay, what's with that aggressiveness towards an attention-seeking post? Why is carelessness scummy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:39 GMT
#121
On January 13 2013 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 08:51 MrZentor wrote:
And why isn't Hapa spamming up the thread yet?

That's weird...


Didn't expect the game to start tonight o_O

I'll get right on that one though:

+ Show Spoiler +


In all seriousness, I'd rather NOT have to be the one spamming this game. My last two games (Witchcraft Mini + British Mini), I was 33% of the thread in content and driving the discussion for the entirety of the game. I don't mind repeating it this time around, but it's much better for the town not to rely on one person for activity.

The early burst of activity is quite good news though ^^


You'll be probably shot first if you're town, though, so you shouldn't refrain from posting. And it's best to establish yourself as town right away if you can. And if you're scum, posting a lot will drive you to a corner late-game. It's win-win for everyone, so why not.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:48 GMT
#133
On January 13 2013 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:39 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 08:51 MrZentor wrote:
And why isn't Hapa spamming up the thread yet?

That's weird...


Didn't expect the game to start tonight o_O

I'll get right on that one though:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE


In all seriousness, I'd rather NOT have to be the one spamming this game. My last two games (Witchcraft Mini + British Mini), I was 33% of the thread in content and driving the discussion for the entirety of the game. I don't mind repeating it this time around, but it's much better for the town not to rely on one person for activity.

The early burst of activity is quite good news though ^^


You'll be probably shot first if you're town, though, so you shouldn't refrain from posting. And it's best to establish yourself as town right away if you can. And if you're scum, posting a lot will drive you to a corner late-game. It's win-win for everyone, so why not.


Oh I'll be posting for sure. Hell every time I say "I won't be as active" I end up spamming the shit out of the thread anyway.

I just have some not-so-good memories of thread activity in recent games, and if I'm the one driving discussion again, town's screwed when if I get NK'd.


Heh, that's fair enough. It seems like the same people are always driving discussion in every game they're in though (such as yourself). Dunno what could be done about it, I don't think you going less active will be of any help.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:50 GMT
#136
Jay, could you answer my question please?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 00:56 GMT
#145
On January 13 2013 09:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:51 Ruuch wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:40 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:35 Ruuch wrote:
On January 13 2013 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Hey Ruuch, welcome to the thread!

Are you a new guy 'round these parts, or do you have any previous mafia experience?


I've played some SC2 mafia but this is the first time I'm dabbling into forum mafia. Have to say though, I was positively taken aback by your civil welcome


<3

You're one of the few people I don't know in this thread, mind if I pick your brain a bit?
1) What is your stance/view/attitude on lurker-lynches?
2) Are you going to be around for the lynch deadline?
3) Favorite dessert?


I had Xatalos quickly brief me on the terms in question, so here goes:

1) In theory I think I like the concept but I haven't really formed an opinion on it yet as this is my first forum mafia game after all.
2) I suspect I will.
3) Muffins, everybody loves muffins :3


Oh are you Xatalos's RL bud?

Also, is there anything in the thread that sticks out to you right now? There's certainly MrZ's vote on you that I want your opinions on.


Yeah, we're friends from high school. I'm trying not to say to him anything you couldn't find in a general guide or something like that though. I'm also trying not to determine his alignment outside of the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 01:00 GMT
#150
On January 13 2013 09:50 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 09:27 Xatalos wrote:
That smilie doesn't really mean anything, but rather look at jay's post before it.

On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him.
~~~
On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him

I'll have no qualms about that.

Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise.


The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure.

Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is.

You can step it up, Or get lynched your call.


That's just too aggressive for my taste. Did anyone else react like that to Kushm4sta's (trollish) posting? Why would it be scummy to draw attention without any need?

Xatalos I dont know about you. But I dont want someone trolling in a mafia game. Why put up with someones bullshit so he can spite someone. If hes scum then he can just use to get away with scummy shit. I dont want to put up with that. So I rather put a stop to it now.


Yeah, his behaviour is anti-town. But is it scummy? Have you ever seen a scum player opening the discussion with something that will make people less opposed to lynching him?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:02 GMT
#200
Jay, are you still there?

On January 13 2013 10:39 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't think I took it out of context. Hell why are you hard-defending someone barely 3 hours into the game? Sure you have a town read on him, but how can you be this sure so quickly? Do you really think Jay is completely incapable of doing what he just has done as mafia?

Secondly, I'm never going to really get a grip on Jay's alignment until I have a discussion with him. It's possible that you're right about all of this, but I want to hear from Jay and make a decision from that.


Saying that Jay was pushing Kush is definitely taking his quote out of context, whether you realize this or not.

I'm am almost certain he's town. Yes, it is possible for him to do this as scum, but it's extremely unlikely he'd be able to.[/QUOTE]

Do you think he's playing similarly to British Mafia? I think there are some things in his filter that game (aggression, spamminess) that are similar, but it's far too early to say that. It's just a couple of pages so far. Also, it's not hard to spam a bit with useless posts like random voting (...) to emulate your town game. If you wanted to define fluff, that would be it.

On January 13 2013 10:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
NVM MY BAD

##unvote
##Vote: grush


When we last played together, you were a most valuable asset for town. Why are you just throwing votes without explanation now?

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:07 GMT
#204
On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum.


Why are you even playing this game if you don't want to put in effort? I can't imagine scum playing like that, but that's still not an excuse to play anti-town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:13 GMT
#208
On January 13 2013 11:09 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
WELP. On his behavior so far, Jay does seem rather townie.

Anyway MrZ, talk to me about Ruuch a bit. You have your vote on him, and he did respond to it some. Do you make anything one way or the other of his recent posting?


I'm leaning townie on him, but it's a pretty weak read.

And I suppose my vote served its purpose.

##Unvote


Show nested quote +
Do you think he's playing similarly to British Mafia? I think there are some things in his filter that game (aggression, spamminess) that are similar, but it's far too early to say that. It's just a couple of pages so far. Also, it's not hard to spam a bit with useless posts like random voting (...) to emulate your town game. If you wanted to define fluff, that would be it.


No, he's definitely not playing like he was in British Mafia.

My posts have a lot more content than yours, and that vote wasn't random. Are you familiar with the idea of putting pressure on somebody to gauge their response and get a better read on them?


I was talking about Jay in the last sentence. What's the biggest difference between his game now and then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:17 GMT
#212
On January 13 2013 11:08 jaybrundage wrote:
@Xalalos

Well Zentor is already defending me lol. I can see him being townie again. Althought i never seen a scummy Zentor.

But as it is so far im leaning town. But regardless i rather not talk about town reads. Anything you think is scummmy as of yet?


Well, I haven't seen anything really scummy yet. Mostly I'm concerned with your entrance to the thread and thrawn's lack of engagement. And Kushm4sta's attitude, although it's not actually scummy, but it's still anti-town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:21 GMT
#214
On January 13 2013 11:15 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:13 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:09 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
WELP. On his behavior so far, Jay does seem rather townie.

Anyway MrZ, talk to me about Ruuch a bit. You have your vote on him, and he did respond to it some. Do you make anything one way or the other of his recent posting?


I'm leaning townie on him, but it's a pretty weak read.

And I suppose my vote served its purpose.

##Unvote


Do you think he 's playing similarly to British Mafia? I think there are some things in his filter that game (aggression, spamminess) that are similar, but it's far too early to say that. It's just a couple of pages so far. Also, it's not hard to spam a bit with useless posts like random voting (...) to emulate your town game. If you wanted to define fluff, that would be it.


No, he's definitely not playing like he was in British Mafia.

My posts have a lot more content than yours, and that vote wasn't random. Are you familiar with the idea of putting pressure on somebody to gauge their response and get a better read on them?


I was talking about Jay in the last sentence. What's the biggest difference between his game now and then?


What? You switched from referring to Jay as "he" to "you"?

He seems a bit more confident this game than last.


"You" as in you = one (you can see a great view from here / one can see a great view from here).

Hmmm. So he's less careful than in his previous game (as town) and that's the basis of your confident town read?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:30 GMT
#217
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless

##unvote

Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.

A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.


What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless?

Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:32 GMT
#218
On January 13 2013 11:25 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:21 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:15 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:13 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:09 MrZentor wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
WELP. On his behavior so far, Jay does seem rather townie.

Anyway MrZ, talk to me about Ruuch a bit. You have your vote on him, and he did respond to it some. Do you make anything one way or the other of his recent posting?


I'm leaning townie on him, but it's a pretty weak read.

And I suppose my vote served its purpose.

##Unvote


Do you think he 's playing similarly to British Mafia? I think there are some things in his filter that game (aggression, spamminess) that are similar, but it's far too early to say that. It's just a couple of pages so far. Also, it's not hard to spam a bit with useless posts like random voting (...) to emulate your town game. If you wanted to define fluff, that would be it.


No, he's definitely not playing like he was in British Mafia.

My posts have a lot more content than yours, and that vote wasn't random. Are you familiar with the idea of putting pressure on somebody to gauge their response and get a better read on them?


I was talking about Jay in the last sentence. What's the biggest difference between his game now and then?


What? You switched from referring to Jay as "he" to "you"?

He seems a bit more confident this game than last.


"You" as in you = one (you can see a great view from here / one can see a great view from here).

Hmmm. So he's less careful than in his previous game (as town) and that's the basis of your confident town read?


You didn't ask me what the basis of my town read is.

You asked the difference between Jay's play this game and last.


Yeah, but it's related. You saw Jay as townie last game and now you're at least equally convinced. I'm guessing more confident = more townish = very townish in your mind?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:43 GMT
#222
On January 13 2013 11:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:
On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless

##unvote

Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.

A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.


What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless?

Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction?


xatalos do you actually have opinions about any of this or are you just going to ask random questions?


Just trying to make sense of your post. I didn't get the point you were making in your chain of logic about hopeless being scum over grush.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 13 2013 02:49 GMT
#225
On January 13 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hopeless comes away more scummy because if I look at each player objectively, without meta, and not thinking about them omgusing each other, hopeless is scummier. meta is a dumb reason to have a strong opinion on who to lynch, and hopeless actually seemed completely serious about wanting to lynch grush. his "wrong answer" post was strange as you've pointed out and "what would be the right answer" was the same question I thought about as soon as I read hopeless's post. no, he's not my top read. that title probably goes to xatalos/super. as I said, my thoughts on grush/hope have somewhat been reset back to null.

fml if this is to be yet another incarnation of thrawn and hapa spamming at each other


Why am I now one of your top reads? Because I questioned about your reasoning?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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