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Only fucking vote fr someone if you are sure they are scum. You DO NOT need to vote for the sake of voting like in normal games. That does not mean you can;t use your vote for pressure. It does mean that if you are going to park your vote somewhere for long periods you better be sure of yourself and have some fucking fantastic reasoning or I will be all up in your business. Extended policy talk is the most pointless shit in the world IMO so after your first post further setup or policy talk will make me want to lynch you. Lurking is fucking shit, even more so in this setup. If you lurk that will make me want to lynch you. I guess the smurf is risen. But honestly, who the fuck cares. He does not want you to know or why would he smurf. If you speculate on who the smurf is I will want to lynch you. | ||
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Not alignment indicative, really he is just stating his own policy. Aggression, unless used in a meta case, is not alignment indicative either. | ||
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On January 04 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote: In parallel, the crafted setup focused post was from a scum. Hapa's post though I understand because when I played IRC with him he hated it because he had no time to think. This is a direct reaction to that. The fast-paced decision making was difficult for him. You calling hapa scum here? What are you actually saying? | ||
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On January 04 2013 16:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ DP You around? Talk to me about this Yamato stuff. It seems super forced, has really strange logic, and I think it's scummy. I was out all day. It was hot so I went to the beach with some friends. Sorry. back now and catching up. | ||
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Ugh. There is nothing really to go off yet. All this arguing over set-up only servers to obfuscate reads on things. Hapa. You keep asking about our views on Riseagain and the 'aggressiveness' he showed. How does him being aggressive make him scum? How does yamato attempting to show his thought process and his follow up from your pressure of him read to you? | ||
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Rise is completely null to me. And to be honest you are the one picking a fight with rise. There should be one read due to Rises' aggression and that is null. I thought that you were simply following up on him in order to push the town to be active. However you trying to drum up support for a bandwagon based of something that any player of your calibre should KNOW is a null tell is not 'potentially scummy' it IS scummy. and it has me worried. Since when do you call things 'potentially scummy' anyway??? sounds really fucking off to be honest. Yeah it was a WTF post from yamato initially. But his explanation, willingness to be open and transparent, and the fact that his original WTF post turned out to be an exercise in an open thought process give me a town read on yamato at this juncture. And once again I am wondering how the fuck a town hapa is not reaching the same conclusions as myself and is pushing the wagons of two people who are null at worst. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:22 Hapahauli wrote: YES, TUNNEL ME! Finally someone takes a stance on something. As for why I'm tunneling, I have two options: 1) I can sit here and derp around waiting for someone to do something. Clearly this is not happening this game. 2) I can try to make conversation on something I find off in the thread to get things going. I always lean towards option 2. This is why I pursue things early and aggressively early in the game. They may or may not stick (i.e. my case on you in Witchcraft Mini), but it's an important part of the process. well I would hardly call that post tunnelling. In fact that reaction is just plain weird. So what you are saying is that you are deliberately acting scummier than usual but that this is what you do every game? The thing that is hurting this game the most right now is lurking. So why are you not saying anything about lurking? In fact the only time you have 'pressured' people is when another player first comments on them. Shiao Pi with Riseagain and myself with Yamato. That is quite distinct to what you did in witchcraft for example, which was push people on your own regardless of the positions of others, make a strong case and ask people to judge that on it's merits. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:29 Hapahauli wrote: This deserves special mention, because it's night and day from your early-game in Witchcraft Mini. You were willing to jump on people for random, inconsequential things in order to create discussion. This statement is the exact opposite - you're finding things null and keeping an arms-length separation from the thread. What's up DP? Also, you called me "town hapa." Hehe. You know as well as I do that the way I phrased that was not calling you town but in fact suggesting that I could not reconcile your play this game with your town play. So I don't even see the point of that statement. You are talking about djo from last game correct? well firstly that was not pressure voting or attempting to increase activity. That was me thinking Djo was scummy as shit. Lo and behold. he flipped scum bro. The other pressure votes from that game were clearly labelled as such and were consistent with the policy of voting for a lurker until they contributed. This policy was clearly expressed beforehand. So quit trying to OMGUS me with a shitty meta case. Which you KNOW to be untrue. Day one of witchcraft I derailed the wagon on jixian as I thought he was newbie town/scummy town. from our IRC conversations you know very well my positions on wagons such as these. Based on my positions on Jixian and Eywa. Sup Hapa? | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: Oh that's full of shit and you know it. How am I acting scummier? As far as I'm concerned, I'm the only one here actively trying to start discussion. And what part of my reaction is "weird?" You're dropping words without any reasoning to back it up. That's a fantastic idea DarthPunk - let's tunnel people that haven't posted anything less than 24 hours into the game. That will do something useful for discussion. The bolded is exactly what I'm doing this game. And the fact that you think I'm scummy because I haven't made a case less than 24 hours into the game with 4 pages of game filter is a level of absurdity I can't begin to comprehend. Who the fuck is saying anything about tunnelling? I clearly said pressure. I fucking pressured lurkers all of day one in witchcraft. And I don;t think you are scummy because you haven;t made a case. I didn't say that. I think you are scummy because of the way you are pushing two weak as shit wagons. Which are obviously weak as shit and me not being able to believe that you as town would not see they are weak as shit. ergo you are scummy as we are CLEARLY not sharing a similar mindset about said wagons. Also you immediate OMGUS is fucking terrible. Not town play. Not good play. Not town hapa play. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:49 Hapahauli wrote: You jumped on Djo for setup-speculation. Why haven't you jumped on anyone here for the same? You've just been all "eh fuck it it's all null." Because I had JUST fucking caught him for that exact thing in Mario. I know Djo better having played several games with him than I know a smurf who is speculating set-up with the entire town. On January 05 2013 06:49 Hapahauli wrote: Nah you're being quite different so far. You feel more distant, and it's scummy. You're not jumping on people, and you think the only player who gives two shits about the activity in the thread is "scummy." That's a misrepresentation. You really fanned the flames of the wagon until JieXian started being all spammy-like near the lynch deadline. Don't tell me you don't jump on things as town, cause that's a load of shit. So this OMGUS is due to some undeveloped meta bullshit correct? when I have been correctly lynched due to meta cases a grand total of zero times. And you have, in the past, shown a complete lack of understanding of the way to read me through meta. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:54 Hapahauli wrote: Okay. So where's your lurker pressure now? You're "pressuring" the most active player in the thread. "Hapa doesn't agree with me. Therefore he is scummy." Not only is this bad logic in general, but we're talking about early day fucking 1. LOL. Name me one of my town games in which I don't OMGUS someone. ##Vote DarthPunk Straight-up OMGUS and a sprinkle of gut-feeling. You scum brah. Wow. If you are actually town. This is straight up fucking awful. I still love you though. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:57 Hapahauli wrote: Naw it's quite good actually. You've been screaming "lurkers are ruining the game" in our conversation. Your solution? You've never offered a single lurker to the chopping block. Instead, you think the most active player in the game is scummy. That's a complete load of logical shit, and I don't expect that from a town DP. We don't have to lynch forever in this game. we can wait a bit before we seriously consider lynching for lurking which is a larger sacrifice in a game this small. What was on top of my agenda was figuring out hapa as you are the scariest player in this game, and if I could get a solid town read on you we could roll these scum. Unfortunately you went retard and or are scum so now I have to deal with a hapa tunnelling me based on On January 05 2013 06:54 Hapahauli wrote: Straight-up OMGUS and a sprinkle of gut-feeling. You scum brah. All the while I am somehow illogical despite having really solid reasoning and you just ignoring that to serve your OMGUS agenda. Well, that is cool with me HAPA. I don't have to convince you you are scum. I just have to convince the town. And that should be straightforward after this little party we have been having together. | ||
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On January 05 2013 06:59 Hapahauli wrote: DAMNIT WE HAD SOMETHING GOING - GET BACK HERE SO I CAN FLAME YOU. Lovely. You really aren't being protown are you buddy? | ||
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@everyone besides hapa. If you get outposted by scum as town you fail at this game. Just saying. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:08 Hapahauli wrote: Do me a favor DP: outline your "case" on me. Because it's a load of logical crap. You're supposedly very critical of lurkers, yet you've done nothing to pursue said lurking at all. Despite this, you accuse me of not going after lurkers. I love you, but you've been caught with your pants down =) You aren't going to mislynch me HAPA. I suggest you try to mislynch someone else. And my case isn't one yet. I haven't even voted for you. But I think you outed yourself pretty nicely in this te ta te. If someone other than Hapa wants me to clarify something or ask me a question then feel free. Also about the lurker thing. I was critical of lurkers but believing that because I am critical of lurkers I can only go after lurkers is fallacious. Especially when I value knowing your alignment far more. wow you are really twisting things now. @ Bolded. I accused you of going after easy fucking wagons that I knew were bad. And I knew Town hapa would know were bad. You then responded by saying said wagons were only for pressure and to spark activity I then said that if you wanted to pressure people why not pressure lurkers who are actually hurting the game. I did not push bad wagons for pressure, Therefore saying that because I 'told' you to go after lurkers I must do the same is fallacious. I did not subscribe to the same motives as you did when presenting your defence. In fact I had higher priorities such as discerning your alignment. which I proceeded to follow. You call me Illogical but that does not make it true. I know you are trying your best to flame me away dear, but it won't work. You won't mislynch me and you won't twist my words or this narrative. If you are town I suggest you find a way to make that perfectly clear to the thread. Flaming and OMGUS doesn't cut it I'm afraid. | ||
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On January 05 2013 07:21 Hapahauli wrote: DarthPunk's Stance on Lurkers DP is apparently super-concerned with lurkers this game. In fact, he has a well-established history of pressuring lurkers in similar game situations. Witchcraft Mini Mafia had a very similar opening, where town was very inactive for most of Day 1. DarthPunk was very adamant about pursuing players who haven't posted. In his own words: He pressured lurkers all of Day 1 in witchcraft mini mafia (as town). He's done nothing to that end so far, despite his concern. Basically, his "concern" is a front. He's pretending to be concerned about lurkers, and offering much rhetoric to that end. When it comes down to it however, he doesn't give a shit about pressuring them. Instead, he goes after the most active player in the game. As a side note, DarthPunk and I have played many games together. He's very intimately familiar with how I play town. Hilariously enough, everything he's attacking me for this game are signature traits of my town play. Pushing "weak" wagons on Day 1, OMGUS plays... these are all things that I do in every one of my town games. DarthPunk seems to have conveniently "forgot" about our game history for his own ends. I suggest everyone read the context of those quotes as HAPA edited them out of context to suit his agenda. Hapa stated that he was pushing terrible wagons in order to increase activity. I then said as quoted why don't you pressure lurkers instead as they are actively hurting the game. Yes I am concerned about lurkers but that does not and never will prevent me from going after someone I view as scummier. And yes I do know hapas play. and he is correct in saying that this is all hallmarks of his town play but scum try to EMULATE their town play. The key difference is that Town hapa is almost always CLEARLY town. and right now He is not clearly town but quite scummy. I am gone now. If someone wishes to talk I will be back in several hours. GLHF. | ||
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As for not voting for hapa. I didn't feel the need to vote hapa as I was not yet sure he was scum and still am not sure. In a format such as this I don't really like parking my vote on someone for long periods of time. The last time I did so in a instant majority game someone got hammered whilst i was asleep with my vote on him as a pressure vote. So i do not wish to repeat that experience. Especially on a player like hapa that I wouldn't want to lynch unless I was very very certain of his guilt, as he is being quite active and creating content. Do I think the length of hapa's filter determines his alignment? No I think as scum hapa would be quite able to be engaged and active even be the most active in a town such as this. The thing is though. He has produced little in terms of valuable content. He has tunnelled me and push some bad wagons and asked people for their input. Hardly a wealth of quality material. Also his push on me is highly manipulative and fallacious, which makes me feel he is pushing an agenda rather than pushing for the truth. That is the key point in all of this. I want to be certain of hapa's guilt before I push for his lynch. There are very good reasons to be unsure of my guilt but hapa doesn't give a fuck about that. He wants to push his lynch first on Rise then on Yamato (lynch bait of the century) then on me. Hapa demonstrably does not give a fuck about being Correct he cares about his agenda and manipulates the facts in order to facilitate that. Moving on Xatalos is scummy as fuck. First there is his list post. Then he defends me and calls me townie. Hapa says a few things and he has the complete opposite position. He sheeps hapa and starts calling me his number 1 scum read. That is so off. I probably want to lynch Xatalos more than I want to lynch hapa today. | ||
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