EPTLike number of mafia players, presence of 3rd party and model used for this setup ?
I'll keep this setup related discussion for the pre-game, unless I roll mafia ofc
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Like number of mafia players, presence of 3rd party and model used for this setup ? I'll keep this setup related discussion for the pre-game, unless I roll mafia ofc /in | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:22 debears wrote: ##Vote thrawn I reject your reality and substitute my own Hello everybody ! @thrawn Did you seriously not read that millers are not self aware ? @debears Are you seriously willing to enforce a "Lynch all Liars" policy ? My first reaction to thrawn post was "yeah, obvious scum" then I thought that he might not have been serious at all. A one liner for a miller claim doesn't look real, regardless of his alignment. The way he answered "nvm, then" shows that he is carefree about it. Debears, you are jumpy as both alignments, but I wouldn't expect your town self to post a video instead of engaging the discussion to get this game rolling. FoS debears | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote: I dont see what the point of this question is, if I'm town then I obviously can't give a real answer. Not true, if it was a probe post and you did it as town, then you can give a real answer like "I totally read that miller are not self-aware, but I wanted to use this fakeclaim as a probe to see how people would react to it" My problem is that I'm faced with the following choice right now
So, I'll go with the first choice for the moment and ask you how you were expecting people to react to this fakeclaim. All in all, what was your motivation for this post ? | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:45 debears wrote: Haha <3 And Djo, how serious do you think that vote was? And why exactly could you not see townie me posting a video? Did you read paranoia? I don't know how serious this vote was and this is what I want you to answer me, not throwing questions against questions. Given your behavior (video + this post), I would say not serious. The problem is not posting a video, my problem is that you are not engaging the discussion with thrawn after you vote him. | ||
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On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote: any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible Yeah, I know, but I don't think you could accomplish so much with that honestly. You know that Clarity read the OP and I'll let you tell us how you think debears reacted to it. I think you should give up any hope you had because your bluff has been called out. By the way, I wouldn't mind you to admit that you did it as a mafia player, if that's the case | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote: Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:29 thrawn2112 wrote: All the people in the past, present, and future who ask why I lied about being miller..... can go and read this post. If they don't like it then they can just continue reading it because that's all I've got to say about it. I don't like it. I don't understand why you are being so stubborn... Let's see if it's really all you have to say about it. ##Vote thrawn | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote: Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective I disagree with you, I see more town motivation than mafia motivation for fakeclaiming like that. But I would really like thrawn to explain his motivation by himself at first. | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote: To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice son And it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? | ||
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On December 10 2012 10:35 Djodref wrote: I don't like it. I don't understand why you are being so stubborn... Let's see if it's really all you have to say about it. ##Vote thrawn @ jay y u no read the thread ? | ||
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So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ? Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you. I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out. @ jay It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ? As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big. ##Vote jay | ||
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On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote: I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam. | ||
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On December 10 2012 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote: alright well I'm tired of the miller claim discussion so here's how it went down from my perspective. At first it was mainly a joke, but it was also intended to jump start discussion. + Show Spoiler + wow big surprise there right? @ thrawn In fact, this is exactly the explanation I was waiting for you. I remembered this post from our previous Looney game when you were going to be mislynched at MYLO. On October 20 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote: Cuz I'm not scum u silly. Don't worry I love being mislynched. It's the part of the game where in the past ive figured out who is scum. So, did you manage to get any clue of who could be scum after analysing the way they treated your fakeclaim ? | ||
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On December 10 2012 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote: alrighty. I've concluded from the current events that there's an 80% preliminary chance that Palmar is scum. Therefore I'm voting him, at least until he comes back and proves me otherwise. ##unvote ##vote Palmar @ WBG You have to explain us how you came with this "80% preliminary chance" for a scum Palmar. He has only one post in his filter ("/in") and we have yet to see him come in the thread rather than to see him "come back". | ||
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If I take your word for jay and assume that you are not scum yourself, I'd say that I don't have huge concerns about anyone at the beginning of this game. Why did you single out Palmar among all the people who didn't participate yet ? What about Bluelight, Z-Bo, Munk-E, Vivax and Tunkeg ? All of them scum by elimination ? | ||
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On December 10 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote: 1) How many of them are there? 2) How many scum are probably in this game? 3) What did I say was my certainty on Palmar being scum? Don't force me to treat you like you're dumb. 1) There are 6 people who didn't participate yet 2) I would say four but I have no idea which setup Hiro chose 3) "there's an 80% preliminary chance that Palmar is scum" So, why did you single out Palmar ? I don't care if you treat me like dumb but what you said (please refer to point 3) seems to me to be some bullshit that you didn't really think through. I'm just being as dumb as you  | ||
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On December 10 2012 17:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I counted 5, so it should be a 66% chance, but w/e. Regardless, there's a much higher chance IMO of finding scum for day 1 in those who haven't joined yet than looking at the currently active players. I chose Palmar because he was one of those 5, because I want to see what he says, and because on balance concerns, if the host decided to balance teams, he's most likely to be the vet on the scumteam. All of these things, again, are preliminary so they mean nothing until Palmar actually shows up. (or, for that matter, all of the other guys). I have a heuristic for determining who out of that group is most likely to be scum, but I'll wait for them to appear before doing anything. No point till then anyway. @ WBG That's a reasonable explanation to single out Palmar. So, how many "vets" do we have this game ? Palmar and you make two. What about Bluelightz and Marv ? Do you consider them as vets too ? I disagree with you regarding jay. Regardless of his past games, his stance on thrawn is typical of scumplay. | ||
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On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote: @Djo The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum. His reaction is feeling very forced On December 10 2012 13:59 debears wrote: *snip* You even use meta and say it's different from his town play. Yeah, you're full of it @ debears Could you explain me how Adam implied heavily that thrawn was scum ? Could you show me a post where you think his reaction was forced ? I don't think that posting only post from a previous post-game to show an apparent contradiction is really using meta. Adam just pointed out a contradiction. | ||
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We have now 4 people that have not contributed at all since the beginning of this game (Munk-E, Z-Boson, Vivax and Tunkeg). Palmar has made clear when he would be able to start to participate which is at least better than these 4 others. I don't know all the players in this game, and I don't why/if the host would have chosen Palmar to be in the scumteam for balance reason. So I am now under the impression that you are using Palmar as an excuse to not comment on the other players in this game. What about Bluelightz ? Are you familiar with him ? Any comment you would do on his entrance in the thread ? | ||
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