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I'm in unless something happends with Cold war Africa... But it doesn't seem very likely : (. Will out from that game if this starts.
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On November 30 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 08:30 marvellosity wrote:On November 30 2012 08:29 Ace wrote:
I haven't played a game in over a year. Really not sure what to do right now. i played with you in april omg 1 of u is lying lynch all liars we lynch u both n kill a scum doooood
OPA BANDWAGON STYLE!
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I'm leaving you guys for now, going to bed. Will most likely have ALOT of time tomorrow to post tho.
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On November 30 2012 22:30 ShiaoPi wrote:
Xata marv already said why it is illadvised to share townreads without a good reason. So what is your reason?
None of the mentioned townreads of your are in danger of getting lynched (deadline isnt that soon anyway). Nor have you cut down the number of players to figure out scum. So why do it? Really see no reason to do that. I know you to be a better player than just mindlessly share stuff like that as your contribution. ¿Qué?
Xata BEGAN to give out his town reads and then Marv responded with that he thinks giving out town reads this early isn't a very good strat, and that you'd rather try to keep them for yourself. I agree with this but it's obvioulsy something Xata didn't think of as he explained the reason for outing his townreads in this post: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2012 21:34 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 21:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
I would also like to know why you chose to share them now xatalos It's because I remembered an interesting strategy in a game I observed (Wheel of Fortune). This post explains it well: Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 21:32 Bluelightz wrote:On April 24 2012 21:13 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 24 2012 20:14 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, I REALLY want to believe marv is scum, but I believe he is town, look at this: On April 24 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm new and bad, obviously Would mafia be posting THAT unsafe? I feel like that marv didn't fear ANYTHING, so therefore he is town, Mafia wouldn't go like that (straightly pulling the newbie card) after being accused. Here's the interesting part about you: You say that about every guy in this game and I already told you d1 I don't care about your townreads, that's a null. Scum can do that themselves because they know who is mafia and who is not. so WHO do you think is mafia. You are against every lynch because EVERY guy is a townie according to you. Do you think this is some kind of 13 jester troll set-up done by Igrok or do you actually believe there are mafias within the 13 players? Why do you always keep on telling us how everyone is town but completly ignore the fact that there are bound to be some mafias, yet you completly ignore that part of the game as far as I recall. I haven't read your filter most recently because it was a bunch of nothing with some townreads every now and than mixed in but that's what I remember you for the most. A guy who keeps on telling everyone that everyone is town in this game. How is that possible. Are you actually that much of a paranoid (well more the opposite of paranoid I guess?) townie or are you a mafia dodging accusations, talking only about your (easy to do) townreads who's not willing to give a single mafiaread? --- Toad Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra)
3 Radfield4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity
13 AceBy cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well.
I don't like this post at all because at a first glimpse you get the impression that Marv adviced against outing town reads and that Xata still insisted on doing so when it is in fact the other way around. The only two reasons for you to do this is imo:
a). You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?
b). You are attempting to make Xata look worse then he in fact did, which is a straight up scum motive.
Neither of these are good for town.
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On November 30 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer you are painting scummotives were none are. I am simply reinforcing my question on why share them. He had initially responded to it quoting bl. I said why I dont like it and I ask again why. How is that scummy? I think you are reading into it way too much. But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being.
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On November 30 2012 23:27 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote:On November 30 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer you are painting scummotives were none are. I am simply reinforcing my question on why share them. He had initially responded to it quoting bl. I said why I dont like it and I ask again why. How is that scummy? I think you are reading into it way too much. But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being. Then we can agree to disagree I guess. I like to keep poking him. And the point of poking him would be? It's not like he is going to confess that he is scum. He have already explain his reason for doing so. At most you will be able to get him to repeat himself.
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On November 30 2012 23:35 ShiaoPi wrote:EBWOP: format Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
I expect sth more thought out. There must have more than just BLs strategy behind it. I expect of xata to be smarter than whathe claims to be. Lazer, why are you so intent on stopping me from questioning xata further? Isn't it quite obvious yet?
It's not the fact that you are questioning him that I find troublesome but that you are wasting time asking a question that already have been answered and that is just a waste of time. You expecting him to be smarter means that he either isn't as smart as you thought or that he is lying. But there isn't a reliable way to figure out which one it is and it turns into WIFOM at best.
What of the above is it that you don't get?
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On November 30 2012 23:50 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:35 ShiaoPi wrote:EBWOP: format On November 30 2012 23:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
I expect sth more thought out. There must have more than just BLs strategy behind it. I expect of xata to be smarter than whathe claims to be. Lazer, why are you so intent on stopping me from questioning xata further? Isn't it quite obvious yet? It's not the fact that you are questioning him that I find troublesome but that you are wasting time asking a question that already have been answered and that is just a waste of time. You expecting him to be smarter means that he either isn't as smart as you thought or that he is lying. But there isn't a reliable way to figure out which one it is and it turns into WIFOM at best. What of the above is it that you don't get?
On December 01 2012 00:03 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well have fun tunneling further then, cant help you.
Since xata is gone now and nobody besides lazer seems to be here I am going to bed now... GJ ignoring everything I said...
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Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess.
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On December 01 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that. So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote:
I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving.
The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, - but yet that post is just his thoughts on asking questions, and not actually DOING anything. While not as overtly enjoying himself as others, stuff like vote x10 and one-liners aren't doing anything for the thread. So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine? Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not. Regarding people who are being over trolly in the sense that they basically haven't posted anything abot the game yet, BH and MrZentor. I played with Zentor and he was like this all game (aka, doing nothing) so it's mostly BH I'm concerned about. Marv have been posting alot of things but he have at least been posting some usefull stuff so I'm fine with that.
Regarding Zealos, I don't really care about any posts but his last. I basically agree what he was saying about questions, they are good but should be used as a complement to scum hunting, rather than replacing it. I don't think we can read too much into his post tho. I am going to treat him as null for the time being and see if he actually does something usefull.
Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm.
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On December 01 2012 01:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 01:20 marvellosity wrote:Alright, what I expected  For how long would BH's trolliness have to continue before you started regarding it with suspicion (if at all)? My gut reaction was to say that he's been gone a bit, sleeping/not here/whatever, and that if he returns purely trolling, then I'd be worried, but if he returns with anything else than I won't. Which is stupid, and telegraphs how I'll read him, and blah blah. As I typed that, I realize I actually don't care about his trolling. If he's scum, he'll eventually get killed for it because other players will mind, and if he only trolls then he has no control over the game, can't really influence anything. Which is fine by me. If he's town and trolling, I trust him to eventually un-troll. So while I'd prefer a helpful BH, I don't think I'm actually going to be suspicious of him if he continues trolling, unless we're getting mid-late game and I've got townreads on a lot of the remaining players. But with this logic wouldn't trolly BH get killed as well. That's kinda bad imo. Assuming he is town that is ; )
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On December 01 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:austin, I agree that I don't like this vote: Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote:On November 30 2012 08:25 DoYouHas wrote:
Hi everyone, looking forward to an active game. It's nice to recognize many of the names on the playerlist even though I haven't played in a while.
I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive.
I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid.
As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote
##Vote DoYouHas Just because debears himself won't sheep someone on reputation doesn't mean people don't, and it doesn't make it inherently scummy to think that people do. I can find various instances of townies basically just sheeping me (e.g. Clarity, iamperfection) To be frank, I do think almost everyone are more willingly to sheep players who are considered to be stronger rather than newbies even if they deny it. At least to some extent. I think it's a part of your subconscious.
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Zealos, half of your filter consists of soft defending some guys without actually saying they are town. The other half is basically you trolling in the start of the game. Who are you in fact suspicious of?
Also, as debears pointed out... On December 01 2012 04:08 Zealos wrote:
I'll be the first to say it.
I don't think Debears is mafia
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Just woke up...
On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank.
##vote Lazermonkey I really don't get how you can read so much into the Ace vote TBH. It was a joke obviously
And it was less then one hour from game starting so I he was hardly in any danger at all. The fact that you are even using this as an argument against me is mind boggling.
Also, I see how you can say that I don't have any reads yet when it's quite clear that he have a scum read on ShiaoPi...While I think WBG post about me was weak, DP ''case'' is FAR worse.
On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:Sup. Thread was interesting to catch up with. Lots of people looking worse than they did previously. I do want to unvote debears however. ##unvote@VE you say that you missed the 10 post. Then how do you feel justified in your vote on debears which only makes sense if you are just sheeping marv (like I assumed you were) Whilst reading through though one player did stick out to me as the scummiest of them all That player is Lazermonkey. Lazermonkey does not like to take a position. Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote:On November 30 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer you are painting scummotives were none are. I am simply reinforcing my question on why share them. He had initially responded to it quoting bl. I said why I dont like it and I ask again why. How is that scummy? I think you are reading into it way too much. But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being. This post is taken heavily out side of context. I said this to show how stupid ShiaoPi's arguments against Xata were. So if anything I am taking a stance AGAINST ShiaoPi. While it is true I had a null read on Xata at the time of this post(still do) that is totaly and utterly irrelavant.
On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:When asked who his reads were. Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. He says nothing at all. Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 01 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote:On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that. So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote:
I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving.
The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, - but yet that post is just his thoughts on asking questions, and not actually DOING anything. While not as overtly enjoying himself as others, stuff like vote x10 and one-liners aren't doing anything for the thread. So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine? Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not. Regarding people who are being over trolly in the sense that they basically haven't posted anything abot the game yet, BH and MrZentor. I played with Zentor and he was like this all game (aka, doing nothing) so it's mostly BH I'm concerned about. Marv have been posting alot of things but he have at least been posting some usefull stuff so I'm fine with that. Regarding Zealos, I don't really care about any posts but his last. I basically agree what he was saying about questions, they are good but should be used as a complement to scum hunting, rather than replacing it. I don't think we can read too much into his post tho. I am going to treat him as null for the time being and see if he actually does something usefull.Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm. Here is how LM hedges. This could make them townie HOWEVER this could make them scummy overall they are null. I don't really see how me making null reads on some players is making me scum. And the funny thing is, you find that my argument for saying that they are null makes me even more scummy. What a fucked up logic is that? So it would be better for me to simply say that they are null without even an explanation? If some action from some could be considered scummy or townie and it all comes down to WIFOM to determ which one it is, don't you think that is a null tell?
On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:Finally let's look back at his shiao vote. Something is there that may not be apparent but when some reasoning is applied seems off. Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 22:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't like this post at all because at a first glimpse you get the impression that Marv adviced against outing town reads and that Xata still insisted on doing so when it is in fact the other way around. The only two reasons for you to do this is imo:
a). You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?
b). You are attempting to make Xata look worse then he in fact did, which is a straight up scum motive.
Neither of these are good for town.
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##Vote ShiaoPi What is he saying here? a.) shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error. b.) you are scum and are trying to mislynch xatalos either way it is a liability and you need to go. He hedges even when voting shiao. He does not care about mislynching a townie which is 50% of the scenario for shiao in his own estimation. Lazermonkey has been wishy-washy and has not really said anything even when voting. He is not actually contributing and not scumhunting. ##Vote: Lazermonkey While I may not have phrased myself in an optimal way I don't get how you can say that:
''You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?''
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''shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.''
Like WTF, there is a huge diference between theese two. While a) could be done by a really crappy town player it also can be motivated from scum PoV. And saying that there is a 50% chance for either of my estimations is bullcrap. It comes down to which of the explanations you think is more likely. He obviously either did a) or b) but it doesn't really matter unless he is a bad town player in which case we might have to reconsider. But Afaik ShiaoPi is quite experienced player, no?
Several times in this post DP are taking things out of context and he missinterprets ALOT of stuff. He is trying to make me look far worse than I in fact. There isn't any reason for this for town.
Also notice how close after WBGs post this came. While I'd say it's quite unlikely that scum team WBG and DP would make a push at the same time against me, I think it's perfectly resonable to say that DP saw WBGs post and thought there were a decent chance to cause a bandwagon on me.
DP just rose immensley on my scum-o-meter. While I am still suspicious of ShiaoPi because he is yet to come back and give a satisfying answer I think DP is looking worse.
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I don't know what to make of BH. His first case against MrZ was based on the assumption that MrZ plays well. He doesn't, so it kinda falls apart. His insane vote flip flopping is just not accomplishing anything, he is neither pushing nor pressuring anyone by saying ''Hmm, scum, I'll vote you'' and two seconds afterwards ''wait a minute, unvote, I'll vote you instead''. His whole case on DP was based on quite weak meta assumptions. Had it not been for DP I'd say he is scum but I really can't see a world where both BH and DP are scum.
Actually, I'd not be suprised if one of BH is in fact 3:rd party. His play seems very off as either alignment, and especially for a player of his caliber I thik that it worrisome.
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EBWOP: wow, that smiley totally fucked with me, 3:rd = 3: rd
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On December 01 2012 20:53 marvellosity wrote:
although whether he fucked up one of MrZentor's games, the case was still absolutely ludicrous :/ Well, it was a meta case based upon meta that MrZentor doesn't have in my experience...
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On December 01 2012 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 18:48 Lazermonkey wrote:Just woke up... On December 01 2012 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I want to point out that there is something about Lazermonkey that I find quite disconcerting: he shows up for a brief amount of time, votes randomly, and then leaves. He first did that with Ace and then did it again with Shiaopi. His exchange with Shiaopi seemed really forced and artificial, and he hasn't said anything of substance. Try to think of an opinion he's had or of anything of substance he's said: my mind comes up blank.
##vote Lazermonkey I really don't get how you can read so much into the Ace vote TBH. It was a joke obviously And it was less then one hour from game starting so I he was hardly in any danger at all. The fact that you are even using this as an argument against me is mind boggling. Also, I see how you can say that I don't have any reads yet when it's quite clear that he have a scum read on ShiaoPi...While I think WBG post about me was weak, DP ''case'' is FAR worse. On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:Sup. Thread was interesting to catch up with. Lots of people looking worse than they did previously. I do want to unvote debears however. ##unvote@VE you say that you missed the 10 post. Then how do you feel justified in your vote on debears which only makes sense if you are just sheeping marv (like I assumed you were) Whilst reading through though one player did stick out to me as the scummiest of them all That player is Lazermonkey. Lazermonkey does not like to take a position. On November 30 2012 23:20 Lazermonkey wrote:On November 30 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer you are painting scummotives were none are. I am simply reinforcing my question on why share them. He had initially responded to it quoting bl. I said why I dont like it and I ask again why. How is that scummy? I think you are reading into it way too much. But you not liking it is not the same thing as it being untrue. While I don't agree with outing the reads either, I think Xata gave a legit explanation of why he did so. He could obviously be lying but he could be speaking the truth and thus I don't really see how we can read so much into it and I am treating it as a null tell for the time being. This post is taken heavily out side of context. I said this to show how stupid ShiaoPi's arguments against Xata were. So if anything I am taking a stance AGAINST ShiaoPi. While it is true I had a null read on Xata at the time of this post(still do) that is totaly and utterly irrelavant. On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:When asked who his reads were. On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. He says nothing at all. On December 01 2012 01:38 Lazermonkey wrote:On December 01 2012 01:02 austinmcc wrote:On December 01 2012 00:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing big. I don't really like the amount some players have been trolling, but like someone said, it seems to be the norm in non-newbie games and thus I cannot make too much of a read out of it.
ShaioPi and Xata probebly isn't scum team I guess. Which players do you feel have been overly trolly? I agree with your sentiment, but it's not enough to just state that. So let's start something going. Here are my thoughts on Zealos. He's not posting pictures or videos to thread, but he stands out to me as someone who has been here but isn't doing anything. Filter is almost solely one-liners, with a "vote x10" that then gets unvoted. He has one post with any meat to it - + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2012 21:13 Zealos wrote:
I disagree on the question front Xata. Asking lots of questions forces potential Mafia players to give their opinions, and it means they can't avoid talking about the topics at hand, also, it's a good way of getting discussion moving.
The way you avoid mafia being able to ask questions all game and not give opinions is to ask similar questions of them. If everyone on the town team keep pressuring one another, and the mafia team, then eventually it becomes obvious who is scum, - but yet that post is just his thoughts on asking questions, and not actually DOING anything. While not as overtly enjoying himself as others, stuff like vote x10 and one-liners aren't doing anything for the thread. So Lazermonkey, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Do they line up with mine? Beyond that, pick a player of particular interest to you, and I'll give you my thoughts on them. Feel free to share yours or not. Regarding people who are being over trolly in the sense that they basically haven't posted anything abot the game yet, BH and MrZentor. I played with Zentor and he was like this all game (aka, doing nothing) so it's mostly BH I'm concerned about. Marv have been posting alot of things but he have at least been posting some usefull stuff so I'm fine with that. Regarding Zealos, I don't really care about any posts but his last. I basically agree what he was saying about questions, they are good but should be used as a complement to scum hunting, rather than replacing it. I don't think we can read too much into his post tho. I am going to treat him as null for the time being and see if he actually does something usefull.Thoughts about Dandel? He have been posting quite alot although some of it have been rubbish. I don't really like how he claimed to be a noob right away. But at the same time I don't really think it's too good of a move from scum PoV either. I'm treating him null atm. Here is how LM hedges. This could make them townie HOWEVER this could make them scummy overall they are null. I don't really see how me making null reads on some players is making me scum. And the funny thing is, you find that my argument for saying that they are null makes me even more scummy. What a fucked up logic is that? So it would be better for me to simply say that they are null without even an explanation? If some action from some could be considered scummy or townie and it all comes down to WIFOM to determ which one it is, don't you think that is a null tell? On December 01 2012 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:Finally let's look back at his shiao vote. Something is there that may not be apparent but when some reasoning is applied seems off. On November 30 2012 22:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't like this post at all because at a first glimpse you get the impression that Marv adviced against outing town reads and that Xata still insisted on doing so when it is in fact the other way around. The only two reasons for you to do this is imo:
a). You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?
b). You are attempting to make Xata look worse then he in fact did, which is a straight up scum motive.
Neither of these are good for town.
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##Vote ShiaoPi What is he saying here? a.) shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error. b.) you are scum and are trying to mislynch xatalos either way it is a liability and you need to go. He hedges even when voting shiao. He does not care about mislynching a townie which is 50% of the scenario for shiao in his own estimation. Lazermonkey has been wishy-washy and has not really said anything even when voting. He is not actually contributing and not scumhunting. ##Vote: Lazermonkey While I may not have phrased myself in an optimal way I don't get how you can say that: ''You did not read the post where Xata explained his post very carefully, but why would you make a pressure against him then?'' = ''shiao you are town and made what I perceive to be an error.'' Like WTF, there is a huge diference between theese two. While a) could be done by a really crappy town player it also can be motivated from scum PoV. And saying that there is a 50% chance for either of my estimations is bullcrap. It comes down to which of the explanations you think is more likely. He obviously either did a) or b) but it doesn't really matter unless he is a bad town player in which case we might have to reconsider. But Afaik ShiaoPi is quite experienced player, no? Several times in this post DP are taking things out of context and he missinterprets ALOT of stuff. He is trying to make me look far worse than I in fact. There isn't any reason for this for town. Also notice how close after WBGs post this came. While I'd say it's quite unlikely that scum team WBG and DP would make a push at the same time against me, I think it's perfectly resonable to say that DP saw WBGs post and thought there were a decent chance to cause a bandwagon on me. DP just rose immensley on my scum-o-meter. While I am still suspicious of ShiaoPi because he is yet to come back and give a satisfying answer I think DP is looking worse. ##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk Oh look straight up OMGUS. And railing against how 'bad' my case against you was does not discredit said case nor make me scum. Look at the difference between you and I. You have a case made against you. You 'defend' yourself and then straight up omgus vote me because making a case is anti-town now days. I have a case made against me. I try to defend myself and then try and figure out if the case against me is being made by scum or if it is in fact a townie who has a legitimate concern. No straight up OMGUS. and I try to decide if this is a mistaken townie or scum pushing the lynch. I don't really know what to say. If you are in fact town. Your OMGUS of me with little to no reasoning or evidence is terrible play.If you are scum keep doing what you are doing. Does OMGUS really mean that you are pushing someone for them being bad? Because in that case I don't how my post is being based on OMGUS.
Basically this post is you saying. ''Lol, I look so ProTown because I'm ProTown because I'm town. Your case sux because you are not ProTown''. Really wtf. I have several points in my case that points toward you being scum. I also answered for all of your arguments on why I am being scum. And all you say is that I am OMGUS-voting you? what? Can you please say what part of the case is OMGUS and motivate why that is? You really aren't saying anything in this post. Nothing you mention is being backed up by even a single piece of evidence.
Btw, in the bolded partyou are now guilty of doing exactly what you accused me of doing earlier. What is your stance on me currently?
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On December 01 2012 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 19:33 Lazermonkey wrote:
I don't know what to make of BH. His first case against MrZ was based on the assumption that MrZ plays well. He doesn't, so it kinda falls apart. His insane vote flip flopping is just not accomplishing anything, he is neither pushing nor pressuring anyone by saying ''Hmm, scum, I'll vote you'' and two seconds afterwards ''wait a minute, unvote, I'll vote you instead''. His whole case on DP was based on quite weak meta assumptions. Had it not been for DP I'd say he is scum but I really can't see a world where both BH and DP are scum.
Actually, I'd not be suprised if one of BH is in fact 3:rd party. His play seems very off as either alignment, and especially for a player of his caliber I thik that it worrisome. Herp derp. Scummy scummy scum scum. I am convinced.
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