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DoYouHas
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DoYouHas
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I'm happy to see Marv/BH/VE in here. With those 3 there is no reason the thread should be inactive. I'm perhaps overly cautious of Ace. His reputation obviously precedes him. Never having played with him paired with the knowledge that he can be a devastatingly effective scum leader makes me a little paranoid. As always, I am in favor of lurker lynching on day1 unless a better candidate shows up (which it inevitably will). | ||
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DoYouHas
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On November 30 2012 09:03 Xatalos wrote: Heheh.. What ever should I do. Clearly I've been found out! Well that is a suspicious way of responding to BH's vote. ##Vote Xatalos | ||
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DoYouHas
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What I see are multiple posts that seem uncomfortable and uncertain. His attempt at making a joke out of BH's vote just seems awkward. Making light of confrontation is classic avoidance behavior, something that I think is more likely to be true because of the awkward phrasing. You could very well be right that this is just noob Xata being genuinely uncomfortable with the start of the game. But you are foolish if you dismiss such classically scummy behavior just because there is a different explanation. PS: I don't think you are going to like me very much given your advice to Xata. I spend quite a bit of time on my posts regardless of alignment. | ||
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DoYouHas
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On November 30 2012 10:29 debears wrote: DoYouHas Why are you trying to paint such a picture on ace? Sure, he is a forefather of TL Mafia, and I'm sure all of us are aware of his ability. But why try to focus on his scumplay so much over his town play? As I recall, he is also a pretty darn good town player. Stating how you are overly cautious of him (implying somewhat to others that they should also be) just because he's a good mafia player doesn't seem like something a townie would do Because it does the dual job of accurately explaining my feelings towards him to start the game and hopefully stirring up a little fear towards him so that people don't sheep him quite as readily. If he ends up taking a town leader role, I want him to earn it instead of being ushered into it on his reputation. | ||
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On November 30 2012 10:46 debears wrote: That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to sheep someone cuz of their reputation. I'm going to sheep if their case 1) makes sense 2) is good 3) I believe they are town If he takes a town leader position, it'll be because of those things. Not because of his reputation ##Unvote ##Vote DoYouHas So this particular bit of my intentions doesn't apply to you personally, congratulations. Have you honestly never been in a game where someone's opinion was given more weight simply because of their reputation? I have, and I hate it. I can't comprehend how you construe my somewhat subtle attempt at working against that as scummy. On November 30 2012 11:12 debears wrote: Also, on DoYouHas I'm curious as to why in the fuck he puts such suspicion on Ace and Ace's scumplay when Ace has a higher probability of rolling town than scum (15 players, what 4 scum scum is the norm? so thats 11/15 chance of town, 4/15 for scum). Why does he want to make everyone cautious of him before he even makes any posts? Also, Marv is good at scum. He's only lost 1 game if I recall correctly. Why not mention marv in there also? Why is he scared of Ace this early? That's my reasoning I have no idea what you mean by "such suspicion". You act like I'm actively trying to get Ace lynched based purely on his potential scumplay. I'm not. I'm far more focused on Xatalos. Everyone has a higher probability of rolling town than scum. This is in no way relevant to me wanting the rest of the town to be cautious of giving Ace influence due to his reputation. I dislike arguing this point with you because currently Ace seems to have no interest in leading the town. You want to kill me off by blowing a small thing in my first post out of proportion. I've explained my intent twice now. Either you are happy with it or you are not. I'm moving on. | ||
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DoYouHas
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What bothers me the most, what I am hung up on, and what I just can't seem to drop is your response to BH's vote and then your response to my vote. On November 30 2012 09:03 Xatalos wrote: Heheh.. What ever should I do. Clearly I've been found out! On November 30 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote: Well that is a suspicious way of responding to BH's vote. ##Vote Xatalos On November 30 2012 09:12 Xatalos wrote: Maybe I underestimated the usefulness of these fluff posts. At least it beats inactivity and gives "something" to work with, opposed to an empty thread. Every little bit of info can help later on. Although nothing even nearly decisive has been said yet. I have already pointed out how Xata's response to BH's vote is classic avoidance behavior. Town tends to get mad when someone votes them, they tend to deny, they tend to confront their accuser. Especially since it was a vet accusing a newer person, that is the kind of reaction I would expect. Then comes Xata's response to my vote: "Maybe I underestimated the usefulness of these fluff posts." AGAIN, he avoids the confrontation, he avoids saying that I am wrong. In fact, in both cases he is essentially saying that we are right, "jokingly" of course. Later his rather weak attempts at misrepresenting my argument against him pop up. - Accusing me of bandwagoning - My choice of voting Xata was largely based on a reaction of his after BH's vote. This brought the count of people voting Xata to 2, some bandwagon. - Accusing me of not providing reasoning with my vote - The reasoning was there with my vote. I thought that his way of answering BH's vote was highly suspicious. The later posts simply expanded upon that. - Accusing me of being half-hearted - Simply because I admit the possibility that what I read as scummy could also be the result of nooby uncertainty doesn't change that I think I'm right about this one. I also dislike the number of qualifying statements he has been putting in his posts recently: On November 30 2012 20:05 Xatalos wrote: Right now I see DarthPunk, austinmcc and debears as the most likely townies. I would also include marvellosity, but something is bothering me. Probably it's the fact that his posts have been too vague/fluff to really contribute so far... Although I might be just extra careful, since he was my coach earlier. And WBG, why are you only asking questions? I can't say it's either townish or scummy, really, but I'd like to see your own opinions and reasoning instead of pushing the responsibility to others. Especially since it is a Mafia tactic I've used to focus on asking questions. On December 01 2012 03:14 Xatalos wrote: Hmm, I guess so. Certainly it'd be more useful to give a town read with strong evidence backing it up. I've been in a situation where I placed a town read on the most active Mafia player and never believed he was Mafia until it was already too late. My intuition isn't infallible after all... Even so, it seems more productive to focus on those players who don't appear interested in pushing the discussion. On December 01 2012 04:16 Xatalos wrote: Well, it's always good to post real content in my eyes. Maybe some of my suspicions faded, but I still don't have a good feeling about you (sorry  ). Something about that post just feels forced... Like it were a tactical move to look better instead of actually having a beneficial effect on the thread.I'm used to blowing things out of proportions though. I'll have to consider my vote a lot more until I can be satisfied with having catched a strongly likely Mafia. Many of you seem to have stopped suspecting Xata because he is accepting your coaching, or because he is starting to participate more and you are uncomfortable lynching an active poster. Xatalos is certainly not a passive mafia player (Newbie Mini XV filter). We are allowing Xata to take up a position where he is excused from multiple bad plays, suspicious behavior, and weak cases simply because some of you think he is a noob that needs to be coached instead of scum that needs to be lynched. You are wrong, I'm fairly confident I've found scum. Let's lynch Xatalos | ||
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DoYouHas
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On November 30 2012 08:47 Xatalos wrote: The beginning of this game is quite... different... from newbie games Trolling seems to be the norm. Somehow I just don't like making yourself artificially harder to read. It's kind of like a selfish metagame plan to confuse other players - not to help your team. What's the point in establishing yourself as a null read? Except denying meaningful information from scumhunting?to a troll post in the space of 16 minutes? Simply because MrZ told you to loosen up because being too uptight looks suspicious? | ||
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If Darth is scum, what would you say he has been trying to achieve in the thread before he started defending himself? Who else do you think is implicated by Darth's play up to this point? | ||
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DoYouHas
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Why, when we are in the last 1/4 of the day, are you spreading your suspicion over 3 people instead of picking your pony and trying to get them lynched? You only state which of the 3 of us you find most suspicious when asked later. (Though, the choice probably wasn't that hard since your vote was already on VE.) You seem much more concerned with showing that you have a stance than actually pursuing someone's lynch. The rest of you - This is not the behavior of a townie. Arguing against a non-existent threat shows that Xata is still feeling pressure long after it has stopped. This is because Xata feels the need to go the extra mile to prove he isn't scum (a scummy trait). Spreading suspicion around without actually trying to bring anyone around to lynching his target is also scummy play. A vote for Xatalos is a vote for SCUM | ||
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##Vote DarthPunk I still think we are making a mistake with Xatalos, but I agree with BH that lynching marv is a bad idea. If nothing else, I have an easier time reading marv as the game wears on. I'm a little biased towards Zealos since he is one of the few that agreed with me on Xatalos. That leaves me with DarthPunk as the only viable one to switch to. | ||
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DoYouHas
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You think I'm not scumhunting? I found scum, I pursued him, and I spent the rest of my time trying to persuade the rest of you. Good luck all, you are going to need it. You vets should know better. These last minute switches never hit scum. | ||
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I cannot comprehend how there is so much doubt around my claim. You all must think I have balls of steel. My claim was in a farewell post, made ON the deadline. I didn't think it would save me. Nor can I think of a single example of scum claiming like that only to have themselves proven a liar 30 seconds later with the nightpost. I also didn't think claiming earlier would have saved me (which would have been like 10 minutes earlier, as that was when I sat back down to watch the nightpost). If there is something you should have learned about me from this game, or from looking at my previous games, is that I play slow, I try to write carefully, and I can be single-minded when I think I am right. None of these aspects fit with trying to spit out my few reads before I am mislynched and then a frustrated farewell (if I am scum). They do fit with a townie me, who is suddenly pressed for time to contribute what little I can before you kill me. You have all put me in a terrible position. Why? because all scum have to do is roleblock me tonight and you will all lynch me tomorrow and do their job for them. But whatever, there isn't anything I can do about that. I'll just try and catch scum in the time I have left, and hopefully that will convince you that I'm town. | ||
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