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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vx2M2.jpg) WoL Version: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ir2ZN.jpg) TPW Sand Castles by lefix Map Size: 154x154 Tileset: Phaeton Spawns: 4 Bases: 16 Published: HotS (Beta), NA About: My second HotS map. This tileset didn't come with many doodads, hopefully that'll change in the future  Screenshots: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DEteT.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZFOj8.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kmg5Y.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5P7fr.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9RcdG.jpg) | ||
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Aunvilgod
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Veloh15
United States161 Posts
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Aunvilgod
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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
The third base is even trickier. The attacking army on the low ground has both ramps very close, while the defending army has to go a long way around to fully protect the nat and third. it is almost impossible to stop the attacking from coming up your highground. Imho, both scenarios encourage splitting up units and lots of army movement. It's not neccesarily about the distance netweem the chokes, but their alignment and what kind of engagements the suggest. Overall I am pretty happy with this layout. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oKl9t.jpg) | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Also, quit making maps so fast, I haven't finished any yet. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On November 22 2012 02:21 NewSunshine wrote: Reminds me of Sidewinder. :p Also, quit making maps so fast, I haven't finished any yet. yep. i like the terrain layout in this one a bit better though. | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
And if 2 players are in close position 1 is unfavored because his 3rd will be either wide open and on the low ground, or easy to get dropped. While the other will have an easier 3rd to defend. Overall I don't like 4 player maps because it adds a lot of randomness to the game. If you scout you're opponent's base last you have no idea what he's doing and when you get there you have no idea if he expanded first and you're too late to see if gas were taken because an army is already there. In PvT you have to play completely blind and expand before seeing what the other does, and if it's a 3 rax or an early timing push and you've expanded you've lost. Same thing if you're playing defensive and he's playing greedy. And in PvZ you have 2/3 chances you won't be able to scout an early pool so you have to play defensive, allowing the zerg to be greedy and if he's at the last position you'll discover a double hatch first. That's the main reason why tournaments force cross position, to have consistent games and reduce the randomness. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TSlxW.jpg) The clockwise player can defend their 3rd from the lefix ramp, and this also puts them much closer to the watchtower making it easier to control. But, maybe this is compensation that they also have to expand towards the opponent. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On November 22 2012 02:40 EatThePath wrote: Ahaha, I knew I couldn't be the only one to notice this pattern.That's it. From now on, I'm calling this a lefix ramp. | ||
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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
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DontNerfInfestors
Spain280 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On November 22 2012 01:06 lefix wrote: Well, let me explain my thoughts on army movement on this map. Obviously, there are quite a for nice chokes to intercept attacking armies. if you take 4 bases, there are 3 possible entrances towards your3rd/4th. however, the defending army has a very slightly longer way to reach all 3 entrances, since it needs to move back a little to get up and down the highground. so either the defender is forced to spread his units apart or the attacker will eventually be able to enter your quarter of the map. The third base is even trickier. The attacking army on the low ground has both ramps very close, while the defending army has to go a long way around to fully protect the nat and third. it is almost impossible to stop the attacking from coming up your highground. Imho, both scenarios encourage splitting up units and lots of army movement. It's not neccesarily about the distance netweem the chokes, but their alignment and what kind of engagements the suggest. Overall I am pretty happy with this layout. I am not completely convinced. Could you show us the range of a siege line at the center choke? | ||
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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:46 Aunvilgod wrote: I am not completely convinced. Could you show us the range of a siege line at the center choke? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/viwvL.jpg) | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
Oh hi Antiga how are you doing? And just to note, this is not necessarily a bad feature. | ||
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
and this map encourages getting at least some air units | ||
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Fatam
1986 Posts
4 bases is sorrrt of easy to defend, but I don't think every map should have the exact same ease/difficulty of defense as the others, so I'm cool with that. Pretty cool. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 22 2012 04:57 Fatam wrote: I like this map if it's cross-spawns only. I see no particular reason why it should be. I should say I'd like to see a new terrain feature from you though, that ramp formation's been all over the place. Just a style thing, but it bumps me. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On November 22 2012 05:24 NewSunshine wrote: I see no particular reason why it should be. If players spawn next to each other, when they meet halfway through the rush distance, one player has high ground advantage. Also, at 4 bases the exact same player has his 4th either way more open or much closer to the center AND on the low ground. | ||
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