• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:32
CEST 18:32
KST 01:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator Data needed Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2146 users

The Diversity of Triversity, a University

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 09:06:42
November 18 2012 08:57 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Starcraft is a 2 layer trichotomy

Zerg: Reactive Quantity
Terran: Positional Ability
Protoss: Aggressive Quality


How to turn Starcraft 2 in to a rock paper scissors meta game.

Zerg:

Rock: Lead with Evolution Chamber
Paper: Lead with Spawning Pool
Scissors: Scout and make decision based on what you see.

Protoss:

Rock: Lead with Forge
Paper: Lead with Gateway
Scissors: Scout and make decision based on what you see.

Terran:

Rock: Lead with Tech Lab
Paper: Lead with Reactor
Scissors: Scout and make decision based on what you see.


Evolution Chamber is now renamed "Roach Chamber":

-The roach chamber unlocks the ability for drones to mutate in to pairs of roaches that costs a total of 200 minerals roughly.

-The time it takes to produce this roach pair is twice the duration of a single roach, obviously.

-Can only perform this mutation on creep


Why does this make sense? How can it work?

A.) If protoss had a mobile unit option unlocked by the forge that countered roaches, and was produced like a building by the probe, and took no time to build as it would be warped in, then zerg could have their "Roach Chamber" change.

B.) Zerg retains their thematic concept of "Reactive Quantity"

C.) Protoss can be aggressive with this unit as it is instantly built with in pylon radius, making an aggressive proxy option viable. (aggressive quality)

Note the reason why protoss need this mobile unit, and then zerg's design could be changed accordingly.

[image loading]

Conclusion:

Zerg would now be able to counter zealots or marines with a combination of roaches and lings rather then unlocking the unnecessary ability to produce roaches across all larvae.

When ever T or P counter roach, for example, they never need to make 2 barracks with 2 tech labs, or rush to 2 robotics facilities to double produce immortals.

This "Roach Chamber" idea places a degree of restriction and delay on roaches so that the roach doesn't have to cost gas.


Now the macro game can be an intellegent counter system dance.

To even further this idea over the top

The pylon itself could transform in to this unit for a cost...

This way protoss can have this aggression with out being completely screwed on losing pylon.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 09:05:04
November 18 2012 09:02 GMT
#2
I actually enjoyed this very much, though it seems like more of a blog.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Kyfoid
Profile Joined November 2012
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 09:23:06
November 18 2012 09:20 GMT
#3
On second thought, 2 roaches producing out of 1 drone is to much production power... like I said, I'm trying to restrict the unnecessary ability to produce roaches across all larvae because all zerg needs is a combination of roach ling to handle basic army units

Which is exactly how T and P only need a mix of zealot/immortal or marine/marauder.

Just have each drone be capable of mutating in to 1 roach.

For 100 mineral cost roughly.

The end.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11509 Posts
November 18 2012 09:27 GMT
#4
I'd put it in blogs I guess, but he's a pbu, so...
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mar a Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#114
TriGGeR vs Percival
RotterdaM749
Liquipedia
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #246
WardiTV609
TKL 247
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 749
TKL 247
UpATreeSC 48
JuggernautJason38
MindelVK 34
ProTech24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35838
Calm 4708
Sea 2227
Mini 799
Shuttle 519
firebathero 419
EffOrt 398
ggaemo 247
BeSt 237
Leta 219
[ Show more ]
Hyuk 164
Dewaltoss 105
Hyun 101
Sharp 81
ToSsGirL 56
Hm[arnc] 50
Sea.KH 47
Barracks 35
Free 27
Rock 24
scan(afreeca) 22
yabsab 18
910 14
Shine 14
Terrorterran 14
GoRush 13
Sacsri 10
IntoTheRainbow 10
SilentControl 9
JulyZerg 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5921
qojqva1948
monkeys_forever339
Other Games
Grubby4445
singsing2137
FrodaN1056
B2W.Neo855
hiko773
Mlord237
crisheroes168
Hui .157
ArmadaUGS90
ViBE80
QueenE51
Trikslyr39
KnowMe39
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream63
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 14
• Michael_bg 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4236
Other Games
• WagamamaTV327
• Shiphtur240
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 29m
Replay Cast
16h 29m
RSL Revival
17h 29m
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
18h 29m
Percival vs Shameless
ByuN vs YoungYakov
IPSL
23h 29m
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 21h
BSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
4 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
5 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-30
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.