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On October 29 2012 20:19 Chezinu wrote: /in now I know fear | ||
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##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie! | ||
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On November 01 2012 00:58 strongandbig wrote: very much hoping that chezinu's mass claim plan is actually just a really convoluted way for him to claim VT and then kenpachi rule someone If you believe anything chezinu has to say at face value it can only be because you haven't played with him much. As an aside (and this is more pointed at crossfire, who has a terrible abomination of a post a little earlier), if you're going to be gone for an hour, instead of following the game, make your posts freaking legible instead. like, if you have a huge case with a bunch of paragraphs, just write it in normal english, post the thing, and wait an hour. The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. | ||
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Arkham City, although a bit on the old side, shows a classic "Adam as town opening post" On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote: All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that: Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at? Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself? Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no. Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote! ##Vote: jaybrundage This is a post where he lays down solid opinions, makes a case and a post, and although his vote on JB isn't great, he gets his stuff together. Even in our first game together, Student Mafia, he comes out strong, actively assessing players in the thread and laying down reads, not asking pointless questions. Here's his first posts from this game, as a contrast: On October 31 2012 11:08 Adam4167 wrote: Adam has typed out four posts now only to be beaten to posting them. Beginning to go Bruce Banner on this posting restriction and its only 45 minutes in. On October 31 2012 11:54 Adam4167 wrote: Very astute Blazinghand, that you've managed to discern my alignment from a 2 line post. What happened was I got sick of reforming my post and hit Control+A then delete. Xena warrior princess is awesome. You're Wrong. Zero town cred do I care about, only killing scum. He's operating under a posting restriction, sure, but look at what he's doing: he's stalling, deflecting, and asking questions rather than making statements and putting on pressure. After I call him out, he says this: On October 31 2012 12:12 Adam4167 wrote: For what it is worth, my post was an introduction post that outlined that since I am newly unemployed, I am online from 9am KST til 1am KST every night, and that my usual 'meta' of lurking will not be the case here. Given that the time for introductory posts is over and you have the gist of what it entailed, lets move on to something actually productive. I'd like to know why Broodking is making a pressure vote, yet following it up with 'oh its just a joke', completely invalidating any pressure that may have come with it. This is not town Adam. Town Adam is fearless, open with his thoughts, and votes at the drop of a hat. In fact, here's town Adam's opinion of my play from our last game together, our first newbie game: On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote: /// My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target. /// I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating. You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =). This is a response of a player who doesn't already know the alignment of the guy he's talkign with, a player who's trying to reason things out and learn. He wants to use my activity as a tool for himself (in this game I threw a vote on him very early with minimal evidence as well). He wants to figure out what I'm doing, who I am, and how to use me to find scum, if I'm not scum. He immediately channels his responses to the early aggression into useful channels. He does none of that this game. Adam is scum. Easy. | ||
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On November 01 2012 04:56 gonzaw wrote: Yo I guess you don't care about the posting restriction anymore BH? Well I might do that with my bigger posts, since they come off horrible when trying to fit my thoughts into the restriction; although it'd stiffle discussion a lot (for instance now I can't discuss with you anything and once you can post again the thread of the discussion will be lost basically). Xena, you make some good points, although you seem to be ignoring his pressure of BKE; do you think him pressuring BKE looking at his past games and shit would be "a player who's trying to reason things out and learn" or not? Zoo, again because you haven't mentioned that. Also, again I'd like your thoughts on Keirathi. Boldly I feel that he hasn't done much ever since I called him out, he just kept hung on the Chezinu issue yet again and posting minimally yet again Frankly, I'm dissapointed in you, Gonzaw. Usually scum players don't reveal they're not reading the thread until much later in the game. AFter all, you were fully aware that I had previously made a post outside the alphabet rules: On November 01 2012 04:29 gonzaw wrote: Natalie it seems like we have more people failing the post restriction >_> Oh, BH once you come back from your 1 hour detention, could you post your thoughts on Keirathi? Perhaps or you still think Adam is scum for that 1st post of his? Query him you did but I don't really see why your vote is on him; I'll check it out again though And that post, in fact, is the one in which I talked about my interaction with the posting restriction. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote: The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. So, did you not read my post, or did you read my post? Furthermore, given that there were like 2 posts in the hour between my last post and this one, I'd hardly say i'm stifling discussion. This is also a call-out of crossfire, who thinks his monstrosity of an unreadable post (here) is somehow better than 1 hour intervals between thoughtful, reasonable cases. For what it's worth, I simply think crossfire is bad rather than scum. I'd be interested to know how gonzaw seems to have responded to and yet overlooked my personal view of the alphabet rules. And for what it's worth, I don't utterly ignore them-- I just ignore them when I can write a clearer, better message without them. It's more important I do that than I post more than 1 time per hour. As a particular response to crossfire's colossal lack of reading comprehension (which goes well with his writing style: On November 01 2012 05:34 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, do you agree with blazing's analysis of adam's meta? How is the italicized portion any different from the bold portion? Is not direct Q&A the same as questioning other players, and big paragraphs the same as big pieces of analysis. Judge for yourself and respond, please. Keeping this post in mind as well as his complete lack of trying to play the alphabet game, BH has now registered on my scumdar. Ready the sentence after your bolds. Adam is a confrontational player as town, and is a questioning player as scum. He opens with votes and cases, NOT with analysis and questioning, when he is town. His opening this game, with analysis and questioning instead of jumping out the gate with a major case, is clearly playing to his scum meta. I'm amazed you read my case and didn't understand this. I have no interest in commenting on Keirathi at this time. No cases in this game are currently as good as my case on Adam, which gonzaw is oddly non-committal on. | ||
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As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you. The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order. More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum. gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote: The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town. breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible. | ||
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