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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 19:09:42
October 19 2012 19:09 GMT
#7
aww yeah <3

/in

iamp, i knew you'd be first
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 20 2012 22:59 GMT
#135
Hi guys! This game started at like an anti-timing for me. I've just read through the thread but I'm somewhat drunk so I don't really remember very much.

Basically nothing overly productive is gonna happen until I sit down properly tomorrow, but if anyone wanna asks me anything in particular before I beddify shortly then I'm game.

+ Show Spoiler +

Lots of gin and then wine after winning my county chess match today Hapa (i;m easly pleased). Managed to outplay this dude so hard and even had a brainfart in the middle of the game and gave away a whole rook and still won :x
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 11:08 GMT
#196
Alright, I'm around and properly awake. Having a proper read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 12:03 GMT
#197
So... I guess I might rehash a couple of things that have already kinda blown over, but as I've been afk I want to give my opinions anyways.

The DarthPunk role/alignment shizzle

At the moment leaning town on DP from the whole escapade. I won't bore you all with the details, but I noted down this post:

On October 20 2012 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Meh. It might dissuade him from fake claiming as scum later. Blues are going to claim if they need to regardless because it is the truth. Scum would find it much more uncomfortable to fake claim and lie about it when the lie is already in the thread and makes it a much less desirable proposition. It makes sense to me.
Obviously none of it matters now as I have had to go into length about it.


The bit I've bolded comes across as "wishful-thinking townie". Hapa also went into his continued earnest explanations. Good enough for me for now.

austin: In a totally disconcerting turn of events, I like austin this game so far. Cba to go in depth, but my notes read: agree on voting procedures. good point about DP's justificactions after the fact. agree with austin about who would say they're voting for someone not scummy. also decent vote on vader.

Which segues me ok on to Z-Bo's FOS/FOSV suggestion, which I'll touch on a tad - don't like it. Everyone should be accountable for their own votes, and mandating voting times/patterns removes this as something scum has to worry about. It's not been accepted anyway by the thread, so enough of that.

drazak: I'm mostly null so far, perhaps a touch town. With him in particular, I don't wanna pounce all over slips, because that seems too easy. I'm looking for sincerity and investment, which I *think* he's got atm, but want to see more.



That leaves the two people I'm most interested in today, vader7 and Keirathi. Mebbe I'm about to look quite hypocritical citing activity and investment, but what can you do ^^

vaderseven - for lack of content, firstly. But more tellingly for the manner of his posts. He mixes in the cute little posts - "what do you want to know about mes" and the little fun facts about his rolling mafia. In between those posts, though, are sarcastic and patronising posts that are really easy for scum to make because it makes them look like they know what's going on without actually have to contribute anything.

Keirathi - In Keirathi there's a lack of investment, and also real overaggressiveness in defence where it's not really warranted. He's spending that time shouting at people rather than actually going after people himself.

On October 21 2012 13:28 Keirathi wrote:
I don't really like Draz's explanation either.

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On October 21 2012 09:45 drazak wrote:
So scum are wishywashy (if I unvoted you), but deciding to keep pressure on you is also scummy? You sir are trying to set a trap to catch a townie, not catch scum.


First, unvoting isn't being "wishy-washy", assuming you explain yourself. But hell, its not like you even unvoted, nor was DP calling you out FOR unvoting. He was calling you out for leaving your vote on someone who you ostensibly don't believe is scum. It's not a "trap", because he hasn't said anything about you unvoting being scummy to begin with. Voting for someone isn't inherently scummy, obviously, but leaving your vote on someone that you don't have a scum read on is certainly on the scummy side (although, I will admit, that I've seen townies do it too. That doesn't make the action itself less scummy, just that townies can, at times, play scummily).

Second, putting pressure isn't scummy either. But, you're not actually putting pressure on him. You just parked a vote there and haven't done anything with it. THAT is scummy. What is the point of your vote right now?


Is Kei pursuing draz here, or is he just lecturing him? It's like he's simply telling him what is and isn't scummy. And what?

On October 21 2012 14:34 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:45 drazak wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 21 2012 13:28 Keirathi wrote:
I don't really like Draz's explanation either.
...
Second, putting pressure isn't scummy either. But, you're not actually putting pressure on him. You just parked a vote there and haven't done anything with it. THAT is scummy. What is the point of your vote right now?


Ooooh I like that point. Interested to see what Draz has to say about this.


There obviously is pressure on DP, he's been antsy about the vote ever since. He also thinks to think that it would fit scum motives to leave a vote on him? Haven't figured out how that works yet. You're all discussing things, and a lot of the discussion has its root cause in my vote on DP, so I'd say it's done a job well served.

##unvote DarthPunk

As far as what I said, it was brought up several times that being flip-floppy or wishy-washy is something that new scum does. We're all trying to establish town cred right now, that's all of our goals, if I was to do anything wishy-washy or flip-floppy, would I be helping myself (As town, or mafia)? I don't think I would be, but I did generate a fair amount of conversation.


Who views scum hunting in the terms 'establishing town cred'?!?! Obviously that is your motive. But it isn't mine. I want to find scum, because I am town. You want to 'establish town cred' because you are scum.

Establishing yourself as town is at least as important as, if not more important than, good scum hunting.


You establish your town by good scumhunting, normally. Something you're not doing right now. Normally I find you wishy-washy, but this game I'm finding you defensive and not-constructive. And actually my only hesitation in plopping my vote down right now is that in your scum game you seemed way townier than this.

So guys, Kei hasn't received any attention thus far, really. vader is a good candidate, but I want to know what people think about Kei in particular. Take a look at his filter and tell me why you are/aren't seeing what I'm seeing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 12:34 GMT
#201
Hmm. I don't really remember his play from Liquid City at all. I'll take a look, ta.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 12:40 GMT
#202
Having had a look at his first few pages there, I'm not as confident as you are in drawing the parallels. He was more aggressive there than I remember him being, but it wasn't in self-defence like it was here (people attacking him only came a bit later in that game). I also took the following post as something I'm not really seeing here:

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 01 2012 10:25 Keirathi wrote:
Kind of frustrating that we're halfway through D1 and half the people haven't even posted.

Anyways, regarding Shady and KJ:

Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 13:41 Shady Sands wrote:
On September 30 2012 13:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
Shady is there any reason for trolling? Its just fucking stupid and pointless

Because no one ever punishes Chez or Kushm4sta or YourHarry or GRush or BM for it

why should i play the game seriously when i end up getting mislynched or shot anyways, even AHEAD OF THE OBVIOUS FUCKING NON CONTRIBUTORY TROLLING IDIOTS =)

He wants to troll to buy a free-ride through the game because he thinks that's automatically why those players make it to endgame.

I don't buy that it was a gambit to get a mod to threaten trolling.

That said, I'm hesitant to jump on the bandwagon because its so...easy. Which is ironic, because THATS the reason that people like BM and grush make it to endgame. Not because they troll, but because lynching them is the easy way out for scum when they are town.


As far as KJ, I just want to say that I wasn't even getting defensive. I was legitimately trying to figure out his thinking, and explain myself. That he got defensive to my questions, and then decided on a wishy-washy stance rather than taking a firm opinion and trying to explain himself make me question his motives. Just throwing mud out for the sake of appearing like he was contributing?

For now: ##Vote: kingjame01
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 13:35 GMT
#206
Z-Bo - I already linked that post you were referring to as one of the underline clickies, making part of what I characterised of overly-aggressive defence. I'm not particularly interested in activity excuses, but I think what you're referring to goes under the defensiveness umbrella, no?

I don't really feel the need to comment on every player in the game. I commented on your vote plan but I didn't really have much else to say about you, Hapa is being Hapa, and iamperfection is being iamperfection; I agree that I'd like a bit more activity from him but that's something that can be looked at going forward. I'm not reading too too much into the DP interactions; besides he's unvoted DP now and is pursuing other avenues.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 13:36 GMT
#207
Right, I managed to miss your little post below your bigger one there. Seems you understand yourself now anyways.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 13:58 GMT
#209
you asked me why i hadn't commented on iamp, and i explained why, is all ^^

I didn't think that you wanted me to comment on everything on the game, I was explaining my PoV on having not commented on certain people/things.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 14:12 GMT
#211
lol I'm confused o.o
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 14:18 GMT
#213
What Z-Bo was referring to. Did you take another look at Kei, DP?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 14:30 GMT
#216
Your vote on drazak is predicated on something I don't think is lynchable for though, DP.

austin explained it well enough earlier.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 14:35 GMT
#219
If you weren't to lynch drazak, who would your top suspect be?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 14:40 GMT
#222
On October 21 2012 23:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 23:30 marvellosity wrote:
Your vote on drazak is predicated on something I don't think is lynchable for though, DP.

austin explained it well enough earlier.


Really? I think voting for someone you think is town is a lynchable offense, The only reason that he is not getting lynched is that he is new and people are giving him the benefit of the doubt IMO.

I think Drazak is scum. I am not sure Keir is.


Right, but kush has done similar things as town, and drazak is just as 'new'.

The point austin made was that why would scum, in the space of one post, say that he doesn't think someone is mafia and then vote for them (or affirm it, I forget which). Like, if you're going to avoid ONE thing as scum, it's shit like that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 15:00 GMT
#226
DP, you realise drazak has a current TL Mafia record of being mislynched Day 1 twice out of 2? As a townie he clearly does not do a sterling job of being townie.

On October 21 2012 23:51 DarthPunk wrote:

Like I don't see how a rational townie would have posted like that. But I can see a scum posting that stuff VERY easily.



How does a rational scum post that he wants to kill someone who isn't mafia either? Sense makes not it does not sense make.

If you want me to vote drazak, you're going to have to show me how what he's doing is speficically scummy and not just bad town. That voting thing is not it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 15:01 GMT
#227
Hmm. I may be wrong about that Day 1 lynch thing. I know it happened once but I think he may have been vigged in another game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 15:05 GMT
#229
DP, is it your natural inclination, as scum, to say "let's lynch a townie!"? Or is your natural inclination to avoid saying anything like that at all costs?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 15:08 GMT
#230
Anyway, this whole conversation is boring

Just read through his filter and it seemed honest and sincere. I'm still leaning on the town side for him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 15:20 GMT
#236
I'll take me some marv judgement over DP judgement any day. Sorry dear <3

That said, I do want to hear more from drazak about who he thinks is scum today. I really wanna know where he's going and what he's thinking now so I can develop my read on him.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2012 15:21 GMT
#237
Dear austin,

Please would you start being more obscure and absent. I wish to have my customary scumread on you.

Sincerely,
marvelbabe
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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