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Hopeless1der
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Hopeless1der
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On October 03 2012 08:58 kitaman27 wrote: Since signups started such a long time ago, please /in if you are still interested in playing. Anyone is welcome to join, but preference will go towards anyone who has already signed up on the other site Player List 1) Mementoss 2) HiroPro 3) austinmcc 4) thrawn2112 5) sandroba 6) prplhz 7) OriginalName 8) da0ud 9) Djodref 10) Hopeless1der 11) kushm4sta 12) EchelonTee Replacement List 1) 2) 3) Filters for kita to edit into playerlist plox. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 10 2012 11:02 thrawn2112 wrote: policy lynch kush? I am unfamiliar with this policy. Please elaborate. On October 10 2012 11:04 prplhz wrote: so everybody has a role or is anybody vanilla? what if we want to lynch somebody and then he just stacks the other guy with 10 votes also, bedtime On October 10 2012 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: You may not vote on a match-up in which you are participating. Please feel free to pay more attention when reading. Thanks. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 10 2012 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: Please ensure you format your votes correctly as described in the voting thread. Voting Thread? How does Unvoting work with today's lynch mechanics? derp | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Only the last of my posts in the voting thread is counted? If I were being stupid, I could post 20 times with different votes, but only the last one would count? Difficulty for the mods aside, if you say you're going to do something, then do it. Things to consider for this lynch mechanic: There will be two players that have 1 extra vote and two players that have 2 extra votes (assuming 1 vote per matchup). They will have greater power over who their next opponent will be due to the fact that they cannot vote on their own matchup. Its Day 1, Round 1 with very little to go off of. ##VOTES
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Hopeless1der
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On October 11 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote: @hopeless would you mind explaining your gut feeling? Also I've just noticed that Kush ans ET have used the voting thread I'm mostly null on you both, but if a gun was to my head, I'd pick you. Both your filters are short, you had the post about how discussing vote systems could be scummy. In the same post, you also passively asked da0ud about his motivations with no reference to the fact that he's your opponent this round. It's not much, but that's why its a gut feeling on who between you two is scummier. Something I think that is going to be important this game is availability at deadline. If you all wouldn't mind, I'd like to know how your schedules work out. I am (in general) available around the current deadline of 19:00 MST (-07:00). Perhaps you've already thought of this, but can subsequent lynch mechanics be added to the Description post each day with any updated deadlines? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 11 2012 11:02 HiroPro wrote: hey this thing where we vote in secret in the voting thread and don't say what we're doing in the main thread? that's not ok. It was deadline, its not like anyone could have done anything about it. The only thing I did there was let you push kush into Ro8. The rest of my votes were redundant and I'm interested to see how you pursue kush into the next round. pre-edit:=\ ON trying to deadline as well...interesting. Why the apparent scumread (and completely unnecessary vote) on djodref? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 11 2012 11:18 HiroPro wrote: kush was already advancing even if you left your vote on prplhz - he was the higher seed. But in any case, I'm talking more about austin and thrawn. I didn't even realize until the last second from what thrawn said that he was putting another vote on prplhz. I feel the need to point out that prplhz would have gone through, not kush. Higher seed mechanic only applies to 0-0 ties. I feel like this is a legitimate misunderstanding, but its this kind of shit that leads to things like my snarky opening post this game. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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You panicked twice? dafuq...also completely unnecessary. Why were you willing to throw away votes like that? I'll ask again since no one responded last time: WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE AROUND THE DEADLINE (YES/NO)? PLEASE SELECT ONE RESPONSE. Hopeless1der: Yes | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 11 2012 12:22 kushm4sta wrote: maybe ...you're a cool guy On October 11 2012 12:48 da0ud wrote: Sorry I totally missed the deadline for first round of votes, I really wanted to but have been more busy that I thought. Hence this long post today. Is this going to change da0ud? Will you usually be here at the deadline or not? Going to bed now. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 11 2012 22:34 Djodref wrote: And one last thing before studying the MUs. @Hopeless Deadline is 11am for me and I have a meeting starting at 9am which should end my business trip. So I'm either going to be in meeting or on the way back to Seoul for the deadline. In the latter case, I should be able to check the thread with my phone. Now that I have answered your question, I would really like you to answer mine: Why are so concerned by people being around at deadline or not ? What are you trying to achieve exactly ? There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. On October 11 2012 21:00 Mementoss wrote: Not all 3, but it is very possible for one of them to be scum, gaining 2 extra votes after the first round could prove to be a great advantage. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it? OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 12 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote: @Hopeless You are saying that crazy things happen during the few hours before the deadline yet you have removed your votes at the end of the round one. I find it paradoxal because, in my opinion, the way you can protect ourselves from crazy things to happen is too stick with our votes. Unvoting at last minute is giving more opportunity for MUs to be won be the dark horse. Last round, OriginalName could have reversed some MUs because you gave him room to do it. I can see town and mafia motivations for keeping 10 votes so I'll pass you that. I can see town and mafia motivations for knowing the schedule of the player so I'll pass you that. But I don't like the way you unvoted at all and I don't explain myself the aforementioned paradox. Could you please explain yourself? And last but not least, we don't have any trace of your voting intentions in the recap at the end of the round. It really looks like you don't want to play cards on the table. There is 100% trace of my "voting intentions" + Show Spoiler + THE FINAL VOTECOUNT: On October 11 2012 11:04 JingleHell wrote: Final Vote Count, Ro16 Thrawn2112 (Bye) HiroPro (Bye) sandroba (Bye) EchelonTee (Bye) KushM4sta (7) vs djodref (11) vs Hopeless1der (9) vs My vote that was unvoted: On October 11 2012 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote: OriginalName x1 prplhz x1 Djodref x1 THE BASIC ARITHMETIC THAT FOLLOWS (I.E. What the vote would have looked like if I had not unvoted): -> Changes marked in blue NOT Final Vote Count, Ro16 Thrawn2112 (Bye) HiroPro (Bye) sandroba (Bye) EchelonTee (Bye) djodref (11) vs Hopeless1der (9) vs Also, I feel that austin vs ON should have read 0-1 or 0-2, but that was Jingle's votecount. The results are still correct. tl;dr: I let kush into the next round specifically because I didn't vote. No other matchups were affected, and my intended targets all advanced. Because I think they're scummier than their opponents. On October 12 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: I'm going to do the matchups 1 by 1 this time. Thrawn vs Hope I think everyone agrees on this one but I'm going to talk about it anyway  From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead? -Will you be here for the deadline? -Don't waste your votes. Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity. Here's his latest comment: @hope Do you think it's scummy to "throw away votes"? What is scum's advantage to having less votes? Please share your scumreads if you have them. Throwing away votes would be like self-voting in a plurality lynch game to me. Its stupid and goes against your win condition. There was NO REASON WHATSOEVER for ON to attempt to vote the way he did. I was also here watching the game with my F5 button on repeat as his post occurred. This is just after the thought that Hiro was trying to manipulate me went through my head by leaving kush-prpl tied and saying "oh but I thought the higher seed...blah blah" (I've already said I think this was legit) On October 11 2012 11:00 JingleHell wrote: Voting is now CLOSED for the Ro16! Night post coming shortly. On October 11 2012 11:03 OriginalName wrote: Djodref x2 3 minutes of time had passed, or close enough to an amount of time that ON should have seen that voting was closed. His vote was both unnecessary (djodref was already winning) and excessive (why 2 votes?) for the purposes of showing his intent of lynching djrodef. Just throwing away votes is not inherently scummy it was the timing and implications behind that precise vote. A similar vote would have been Mementoss x2 when I already had 3 votes. What was the point? I think he's scummier than Hiro and he's my choice to vote this round, assuming my vote is in fact required to get him through. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 12 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead? -Will you be here for the deadline? -Don't waste your votes. Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity. Addressing more of this: IF you make any statement towards being inactive at the deadline (like mementoss has) then if you do anything around the deadline you're instantly suspicious. You will be scrutinized and the town will have a greater ability to control the lynch because everyone will know that certain votes are completely locked in place and are not subject to change. I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. On October 12 2012 03:45 Mementoss wrote: @Hopeless stop defending yourself and give us your two best scum reads or your view of the matchups and who you are thinking of voting I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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My biggest reason for thinking ET could be scum is this post: On October 12 2012 02:23 EchelonTee wrote: You have got to be fricking kidding me. Look at my filter. Then yours. I am being low content???? Are you freaking serious? No seriously, coming from THE #1 lurker of Round 1? I don't even understand how you can possibly argue this. This is plain old terrible disruption. You could at least try to look townie. You have done literally nothing to try and help town, and are easily my top pick for champion. This isn't your first game by any respect, you have no newbie excuse. His dismissal of Original's accusations match his previously mentioned technique of being extremely critical of cases against him, but his arguments are bad and are the very definition of OMGUS. I think he is guilty of disappearing and moving towards lower content posts, and while I don't think that is enough to call him scum, it's something to consider for if we ever see ON's flip. djodref has spent a reasonable amount of time tunneling me in his last couple posts, and I know my alignment so this catches my attention. I want to see his response to my explanations but I don't think I'll get it before Ro8 deadline. In his 'predictions' post, I'm the only one that gets a clear stance. He's null on both Sandroba/Kush and says that ON is too scummy to be scum. He's got too much wiggle room in his stances and there's a lot of fluff in the entire post. He's still harping on Hiro for his early vote mechanics discussion. I'm more comfortable having him in the next round over ET. Between sandroba and kush, I'd prefer sandroba to advance. He makes no comment on the fact that thrawn thwarted his efforts to get da0ud advanced despite his "hunch" and has a generally low content filter compared to kush. I get a townier feel from kush reading through his filter. Busy at work for the next little while, I'll try to flesh out my vote on sandroba later. For now, I'm voting: OriginalName x1 djrodef x1 sandroba x1 | ||
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