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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Background: So, I was bored over lunch at work, so I decided to go watch Mvp's games yesterday in Code S. For some reason it struck me: I don't really get to see Mvp play as much as a lot of other players, but he's made such a fudge ton of money from SC2. Then it hit me: how much do players earn for each tournament game that they play?
Reason Why This is Interesting: Earnings are important, obvs. The best players win the most money, and are regarded as the most successful players.However, not all players participate in the same amount of tournaments. Some just do GSL forever, some live on an airplane to grab money from foreign economies (I'm looking at you MC >.> ), some only join tournies when they have free time (because they study). Having to travel and play so many games to earn money takes its toll, and being a pro is hard work, so being efficient at earning money from tournaments is a good indicator of success, and in some ways skill (less games needed to win more money, more tournie wins than tournies not won, etc).
Tools:
1. http://sc2earnings.com/ - the best site for earning data, as far as I know
2. TLPD - best place to look at player records!
3. Notepad - to list down the numbers. I love notepad
4. Calculator - I'm no math whiz 
Variables:
1. Earnings - how much a player has earned in SC2 so far, from tournament wins and payouts
2. Games Played - Wins + Losses, both internationally and in Korea
Rationale: Why Games Played and not Wins - I decided to use games played instead of only wins because losses are important to consider. Losses have an "opportunity cost" in a way, because each loss results in 0 earnings instead of potentially more earnings from advancing further in the tournament. Seriously though this should be obvious T_T
Limitations:
1. As far as I know, sc2earnings does not include current tournaments where players haven't finalized their tournament position. So players in GSL Season 4 Ro8 haven't had the potential earnings from this round added to their totals.
2. I can only use TLPD data. Probably the most complete data but I'm not sure how 'correct' this would be for my purposes.
3. Team League games: TLPD includes team league games. Unfortunately it's too cumbersome to have to look through every single game played by these players to filter out team league games. The reason this should be done if possible follows
4. Team League earnings: Some of these players have won money through team leagues, but it's impossible to know how teams split the winnings, if at all.
5. I'm only doing the Top 10 players + interesting players, because there is a huge dropoff after the Top 10.
Formula:
Earnings Per Game = Earnings / Games Played. Duh.
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Results:
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The Original Top 10
![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/34ifh9z.jpg)
The New Top 10 Based on Earnings Per Game
![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/5517br.jpg)
Drop outs: Stephano, Polt
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Observations!!
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Well shit that was a surprise.
I guess GSL 1 paid out a ton. $87,500 to be exact. Fruitdealer won 86% of his money in it. Despite not making anything since IEM New York, Fruitdealer was 11th in all time earnings, and because of the tiny amount of games he played, ends up being the most efficient earner of SC2 so far, and likely ever.
Traveling pays if you've got the stamina
The most traveled Koreans ended up earning more, but at the cost of time and energy. Out of MMA, MC, DRG, PuMa and MKP, arguably the most traveled Korean champs, only MMA ended up with a positive rank movement (+1). This is likely because of his huge GSL title money. Everyone else dropped in places or stayed even. MC dropped 4 places and MKP 3, both fan favorites traveling the most out of the GSL players. I don't even know how many places Polt drops had I computed the results for everyone.
The GSL title makes for an efficient full time job. If you can win it.
In total earnings, Stephano stands as the lone foreigner and non-GSL player. MKP, despite being forever Kong in GSL, still earns a lot because of foreign money. However, in Earnings Per Game, the top 7 players are all GSL champs. Curiously, the order in which they won appears similar to the order in our ranking! This is because the GSL has been trying to have better earning parity among its contestants, which results in less prize money for the winner. Still, Seed jumps a humongous 25 places because of his recent win, and we've already talked about Fruitdealer. The only GSL tournament winner that lags far behind is Polt, but we all know the Super Tournament wasn't a real GSL :p
Nestea and Mvp, by far the most efficient players still active
This was expected. They focus on the GSL, have 3 and 4 titles respectively, and stay in Code S most of the time. Despite their comparative slumps, both players still outearn the next active player (MMA, who is also arguably in a slump) by $200/game. Even with a lot of up and comers wrestling for the throne of Best Player or Best P/Z/T Player, it will take someone truly special to out earn these two legends, both in Total Earnings and Earnings Per Game. Just to illustrate how far ahead they are, Nestea needs to play 765 games and not earn a single penny for him to drop down to MKP's current earning efficiency level. MKP could sweep 10 straight GSL titles (18-0 x 10) and still not come close to Mvp's current earning efficiency. That's a lot of money for a lot less work.
We all love overanalyzing everything
Seriously. This includes you if you read this far into this pointless thread :p
Moving Forward:
I hope sc2earnings will use Earnings Per Game. It's an interesting measure of player success and is easy to solve for. Also, I hope that nothing happened at my office while I was doing this and neglecting my work, because I'm going on vacation tomorrow. ^^
Any suggestions to make the data better, just voice 'em out. Or do it yourself because I should be working >.>
TL;DR: Mvp and Nestea are the most efficient active players in SC2 in making money, but no one will ever catch up to the LEGENDARY FRUITDEALER.
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EDIT!!
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Some people have suggested doing this for more players, with more relevant info. It will take a while but here is a preview of what I'll do if I'm bored enough:
![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2z6bmoi.jpg)
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What about the worst? We need a list of that too.
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Well, sc2earnings is not always correct (they could forget about X dollars for Y place; Y >=6 at Z tournament), so a 'worst list' would not be as reliable as this.
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On September 27 2012 16:03 canikizu wrote:
What about the worst? We need a list of that too.
That'd just be depressing >.>
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Cool thread. Additional lesson learned: Stephano plays a HELL of a lot of tournament games.
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Ooh, this is interesting. Never really thought of this. LONG LIVE THE DEALER OF FRUIT!!!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:03 canikizu wrote:
What about the worst? We need a list of that too.
Random B-team player #36?
I'd be on that worst earners list too; I've never earned a single dollar playing this damn game >.>
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I bet alot of foreigner teams would be on the bottom rung.
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United States97274 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:16 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 16:03 canikizu wrote:
What about the worst? We need a list of that too.
Random B-team player #36? I'd be on that worst earners list too; I've never earned a single dollar playing this damn game >.>
I guess if you did lowest amount earned with a minimum game amount of like 100 or something. idk what a good number would be but that would be the way to go about it in my opinion because otherwise you'd just get a 5 thousand way tie of $0 from people who have like 3 games played
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I don't think you can actually say something like this as "efficient"
Just because Fruitdealer has a high, it's mostly because he played so few games in GSL for over a year because he kept falling out so early on every time.
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United States23455 Posts
Where's Polt/Stephano in the Earnings Per Game standings? I would like a Top 50. Cool idea.
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Stephano has played more tourney games than I have played in my SC2 lifetime lol
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:24 Hiea wrote:
I don't think you can actually say something like this as "efficient"
Just because Fruitdealer has a high, it's mostly because he played so few games in GSL for over a year because he kept falling out so early on every time.
That's why the result is hilarious. Overanalyzing numbers like this is all just for silly fun (or as I mentioned I was bored at work) ^_^
On September 27 2012 16:24 Fionn wrote:
Where's Polt/Stephano in the Earnings Per Game standings? I would like a Top 50. Cool idea.
You just want Polt in there somehow >.>
I can probably do Top 50 next week. Gonna be away on vacation this weekend.
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So silly to keep fruitdealer on these lists, Sure he made bank, sure he won GSL. BUT HE DOESNT PLAY ANYMORE common remove retired players from these things. Im sure you put a lot of effort into this but common....
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:28 MapleFractal wrote:
So silly to keep fruitdealer on these lists, Sure he made bank, sure he won GSL. BUT HE DOESNT PLAY ANYMORE common remove retired players from these things. Im sure you put a lot of effort into this but common....
It took about 15 minutes >.>
I think it's interesting to keep him there. Despite losing so often and not doing anything after season 1, he still made quite a bit of money and didn't have to work for it much (which is great since he was probably drunk a lot apparently). He's just there for reference and because I find it funny.
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On September 27 2012 16:28 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 16:24 Hiea wrote:
I don't think you can actually say something like this as "efficient"
Just because Fruitdealer has a high, it's mostly because he played so few games in GSL for over a year because he kept falling out so early on every time. That's why the result is hilarious. Overanalyzing numbers like this is all just for silly fun (or as I mentioned I was bored at work) ^_^ Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 16:24 Fionn wrote:
Where's Polt/Stephano in the Earnings Per Game standings? I would like a Top 50. Cool idea. You just want Polt in there somehow >.> I can probably do Top 50 next week. Gonna be away on vacation this weekend.
I think you should try and do a list of earnings per day 
Take the date of their first earning till the most recent one and do the math.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:34 Hiea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 16:28 lichter wrote:On September 27 2012 16:24 Hiea wrote:
I don't think you can actually say something like this as "efficient"
Just because Fruitdealer has a high, it's mostly because he played so few games in GSL for over a year because he kept falling out so early on every time. That's why the result is hilarious. Overanalyzing numbers like this is all just for silly fun (or as I mentioned I was bored at work) ^_^ On September 27 2012 16:24 Fionn wrote:
Where's Polt/Stephano in the Earnings Per Game standings? I would like a Top 50. Cool idea. You just want Polt in there somehow >.> I can probably do Top 50 next week. Gonna be away on vacation this weekend. I think you should try and do a list of earnings per day Take the date of their first earning till the most recent one and do the math.
Earnings per tournament is probably a good one too.
I guess I could do it little by little every time I'm bored at work
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dezi
Germany1536 Posts
I thought this would be a thread about sc2 earnings compared to earnings in other games - anyway gj.
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Cool list.
Now I want to see earnings per tournament prize pool of tournaments entered! Someone get on that.
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Interesting concept.
Judging from Nestea's earning per game, one can say that Nestea either makes it real far in a tournament or just gets knocked out of a tournament really early.
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EPT
