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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 29 2012 21:56 GMT
#62
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Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 15:19 GMT
#145
I was mafia in a DrH game where there were clues. As mafia, I spent the entire game speculating on what the clues meant and who they were pointing to rather than to actually hunt for spies. The Town got caught up in it and we ended up winning the game with some false claims.

I want this game to focus on scum hunting and not rely on the crutch of sifting through possible clues. We should be aware of any players who encourage using time and effort on scum hunting via clues.

That being said, I'm going to quote some posts so I don't lose them.

On September 30 2012 13:46 Keirathi wrote:
You know what game you played well in?

I'll give you a hint: we were masons together.

Now, why did you play well that game? Because you were confirmed town status? No. You played well because you listened to BH about how a townie should think and act. Go back and read your conversations with him, please for the love of god.

Otherwise I'm completely fine with voting you if DrH doesn't plan to modkill or replace you. Because I honestly don't want to put up with that shit for the whole game.


On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.

Also I'm not a fan of his content.


On September 30 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 22:30 Kreb wrote:
@kush

You still didnt reply to what you dont like about Shadys content.


I apologize for my lack of specificity. I dislike his content because it is all caps nonsense. Not even proper trolling, just spam.


They're not proof of alignment yet, but they give off a scummy stench.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 15:25 GMT
#148
On October 01 2012 00:21 annul wrote:
KJ: people always love to tout the meme of "IGNORE CLUES; GO SCUMHUNTING YEAH!" but this is a bad plan. nobody ever says "ignore scumhunting; go clues yeah!" -- they are both perfectly valid tools to use.


Well, I think that we'll have to wait and see what the nature of the clues are. I think you might remember the game I referred to but it was a long time ago. You were also mafia that game.

Anyway, good to see you again! GLHF!
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 16:12 GMT
#159
On October 01 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
@KJ:

Can you tell me what is scummy about that post of mine you quoted? I mean, its one thing to say something is scummy, but you didn't give any reasoning.


At the time, within the context of the game, it just seemed contrived. I read it as a mafia who was trying to sound Town. I'm not saying that you're mafia, just that the post sounded that way.

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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 16:17 GMT
#161
On October 01 2012 01:15 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 01:12 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
@KJ:

Can you tell me what is scummy about that post of mine you quoted? I mean, its one thing to say something is scummy, but you didn't give any reasoning.


At the time, within the context of the game, it just seemed contrived. I read it as a mafia who was trying to sound Town. I'm not saying that you're mafia, just that the post sounded that way.


Contrived? I have a shared history with Shady, and I wanted him to man up and play like I know that he's capable of, rather than like an ass.


There's no need to be defensive. I said that the post seemed contrived, not that it was.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 16:33 GMT
#164
On October 01 2012 01:22 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 01:17 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:15 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:12 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
@KJ:

Can you tell me what is scummy about that post of mine you quoted? I mean, its one thing to say something is scummy, but you didn't give any reasoning.


At the time, within the context of the game, it just seemed contrived. I read it as a mafia who was trying to sound Town. I'm not saying that you're mafia, just that the post sounded that way.


Contrived? I have a shared history with Shady, and I wanted him to man up and play like I know that he's capable of, rather than like an ass.


There's no need to be defensive. I said that the post seemed contrived, not that it was.

Them why did you say it was contrived what was the point?


What? I didn't say that it was contrived. I said it seemed contrived. The point was that it seemed contrived.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 16:36 GMT
#165
On October 01 2012 01:29 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 01:17 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:15 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:12 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 01 2012 01:06 Keirathi wrote:
@KJ:

Can you tell me what is scummy about that post of mine you quoted? I mean, its one thing to say something is scummy, but you didn't give any reasoning.


At the time, within the context of the game, it just seemed contrived. I read it as a mafia who was trying to sound Town. I'm not saying that you're mafia, just that the post sounded that way.


Contrived? I have a shared history with Shady, and I wanted him to man up and play like I know that he's capable of, rather than like an ass.


There's no need to be defensive. I said that the post seemed contrived, not that it was.

Not sure what part if what Keirathi posted was defensive. He questioned your scum-read, thats all. If anything you're sounding defensive. He asked you to back up your claim and you're the one kinda backing off making excuses it just "sounded" mafia-like but wasnt (and "seemed contrived" but not necessarily was).


I'm not backing off at all. I quoted it so that I wouldn't lose it later. He asked why and I explained.

Just because a post gives off a scum-tell doesn't mean that the post was made by a mafia. Town players sound scummy all the time without realizing it because we don't care how we sound.

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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
September 30 2012 18:17 GMT
#170
If we want lurkers to post more, then we all have to contribute meaningfully. This will force scum to come out of hiding in order to fit in. They're going to try to post from the perspective that they're Town but it's pretty hard to do so.

At that point we can work on who actually cares about scum hunting and who is just pretending.

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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 02:39 GMT
#222
So what we're shifting towards is whether Shady's 'plan' to preempt trolling was legitimate or a cover-up?

That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete.


Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why.

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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 16:47 GMT
#324
On October 01 2012 13:59 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 13:36 Keirathi wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Yeah shady's arrogance that he thinks he can save us from the trolls (myself included) makes me want to lynch him really badly the more I think about it.
Not for good reasons...I don't need a lecture about it.

If you're not even going to try to play the game, why the fuck did you sign up?


Chill bro lay off them f bombs.
I'm playing the game.
Lynching who I want to lynch.


Why is this in haiku? Everyone, keep an eye on this in case it's related to his role.


On October 01 2012 17:47 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Shady:
Mind doing stuff? Do you still want to lynch Z-boson? If so why? What makes you think that there are smurfs? Anything you want to share from reading the filters?

In regards to KJ:
Reading his filter it just looks messy and kind of contradictory as many already pointed out. I am not so sure if he is scum though, for all this talk of "fake"-contributions, he has done more than many other players (me included) until now. If you look at his thoughtprocess from his point of view it kind of makes sense.....Conclusively said I would point him as nullish now, need more from him to read him better.
@KJ:
Who do you want to lynch and why?


Mementoss.

Why? Because if you look through his 4 posts, it seems pretty clear that he doesn't particularly care if the Town wins.

Mementoss' filter
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 17:01 GMT
#330
What? Spies? Where do you think I've been for the past while? I've been playing The Resistance.

You can see it documented at boardgamegeek if you want.

There we play Spies vs Resistance.

Me saying spies in a mafia game doesn't mean that I made a slip just as me saying Town doesn't mean I'm a spy in a Resistance game.

Why don't you guys actually do some real analysis. Take a look at Mementoss. What's he been up to and why doesn't he care about our win condition?
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 17:10 GMT
#335
On October 02 2012 02:01 austinmcc wrote:
I'm voting KJ. Spies aren't mentioned anywhere. Could be third party, could be the scum team, we don't know.

All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads."

##Vote: kingjames01


Maybe you can actually try a little bit and put together a real reason to waste your vote. This is just silly.

This is your filter this game and so far you haven't done anything worthwhile:

austinmcc's filter
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 17:39 GMT
#338
By my count, the vote tally looks like this:

kingjames01 - 7 votes
kushm4sta - 3 votes
Shady Sands - 3 votes
VisceraEyes - 1 vote

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced at all about kushm4sta nor Shady Sands.

My vote is going on Mementoss until he starts putting some effort into the game.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#340
On October 02 2012 02:42 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 02:39 kingjames01 wrote:
By my count, the vote tally looks like this:

kingjames01 - 7 votes
kushm4sta - 3 votes
Shady Sands - 3 votes
VisceraEyes - 1 vote

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced at all about kushm4sta nor Shady Sands.

My vote is going on Mementoss until he starts putting some effort into the game.

Do you find that Shady has put effort into the game? Do you find that kushm4sta's effort is doing anything positive for the game?


Town players do scummy things all the time. They're getting enough pressure from the rest of the players. Until I see something tangible that I want to act on from them, I'm going to continue highlighting other players who I think are flying under the radar.

I'll move my vote onto one of them if the situation is either they die or I die or if something else changes.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 18:58 GMT
#346
On October 02 2012 03:47 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 02:01 kingjames01 wrote:
What? Spies? Where do you think I've been for the past while? I've been playing The Resistance.

You can see it documented at boardgamegeek if you want.

There we play Spies vs Resistance.

Me saying spies in a mafia game doesn't mean that I made a slip just as me saying Town doesn't mean I'm a spy in a Resistance game.

Why don't you guys actually do some real analysis. Take a look at Mementoss. What's he been up to and why doesn't he care about our win condition?


Can you point to somewhere you reference this time spent playing The Resistance?

Even without that this makes sense to me, and I don't see a reason to vote KJ over Shady simply b/c of something that IS NOT A SLIP AT ALL.


The Resistance PBF Forum

I played in 22, 27, 29 and hosted 31. Contrast that with the last time I played in a mafia game which was in January.

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 23:28 GMT
#422
On October 02 2012 02:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 02:01 austinmcc wrote:
I'm voting KJ. Spies aren't mentioned anywhere. Could be third party, could be the scum team, we don't know.

All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads."

##Vote: kingjames01


Maybe you can actually try a little bit and put together a real reason to waste your vote. This is just silly.

This is your filter this game and so far you haven't done anything worthwhile:

austinmcc's filter


We should keep up the pressure on austinmcc. I was the one of the first to point it out so I don't mind repeating it. His game was very lackluster and his reason for lynching me was just an excuse to waste a vote.

Keep an eye on this guy.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 23:34 GMT
#431
austinmcc: Don't let people pull you into a drawn-out fight. What are your reads so far? You haven't posted an analysis on anyone after you unvoted me.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 23:42 GMT
#436
On October 02 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
Trudging through a couple filters :/ BC (or anyone who played with him), what do you make of annul? Looking at his filter I get blablabla pointlessness and his final post being:

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here...


He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green.


holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision.

##vote kushm4sta


before abandoning the thread. It's a weak as shit vote and pays no heed to anything said about kush before or after that point. Otherwise known as a scummy copout.


This is a good point. With annul it's kind of hard to tell usually. Sometimes mafia annul gets through the early days by flying under the radar and showing up every now and then to vote.

If it continues, then I would be very wary of trusting anything he says because he is really good at amplifying flaws in logical arguments.

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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 01 2012 23:52 GMT
#442
We'll leave that alone for now. He is possibly going to get mod-killed for not voting or inactivity.

I'd rather kill a mafia who has actually posted instead.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
October 02 2012 00:26 GMT
#458
On October 02 2012 09:19 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 08:42 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 02 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
Trudging through a couple filters :/ BC (or anyone who played with him), what do you make of annul? Looking at his filter I get blablabla pointlessness and his final post being:

On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something significant here...


He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green.


holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision.

##vote kushm4sta


before abandoning the thread. It's a weak as shit vote and pays no heed to anything said about kush before or after that point. Otherwise known as a scummy copout.


This is a good point. With annul it's kind of hard to tell usually. Sometimes mafia annul gets through the early days by flying under the radar and showing up every now and then to vote.

If it continues, then I would be very wary of trusting anything he says because he is really good at amplifying flaws in logical arguments.



lol wat

explain to me how the premise where "annul shows up to vote and generally plays a passive game" goes to the conclusion of "therefore, be very wary of trusting anything he says?"

as for my passivity, read my last like 6 game where i go hardcore aggressive as all three colors and get lynched or killed by day 2 pretty consistently. i am trying to change it up as to not have that happen to me. this is not a red tell. this is not a tell for any color.


No, no. I'm not saying that you generally play a passive game. I said that when you are mafia, you sometimes play passively. It fits how you're playing so far this game but it doesn't mean you're scum. It could also mean you're Town. I don't know but we'll see what you do as the game continues forward.

The next part is a warning because if you are mafia, then as the game progresses and the initial slough starts to fall away you tend to find ways to exploit unwary Town players.

marvellosity asked about you and I gave him my answer.
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