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On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote: I voted for shady because he called me a troll. There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me. Also I'm not a fan of his content. Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand. + Show Spoiler + I think we should lynch BM24... On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote: game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way | ||
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On October 01 2012 11:39 kingjames01 wrote: So what we're shifting towards is whether Shady's 'plan' to preempt trolling was legitimate or a cover-up? That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete. Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why. There's nothing in the OP about spy roles. There's nothing in the opening flavor about spy roles. There's nothing about spies ANYWHERE. Spies a neutral faction and KJ part of it? | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:47 kingjames01 wrote: BUNCHA STUFF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIES | ||
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All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads." ##Vote: kingjames01 | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:01 kingjames01 wrote: What? Spies? Where do you think I've been for the past while? I've been playing The Resistance. You can see it documented at boardgamegeek if you want. There we play Spies vs Resistance. Me saying spies in a mafia game doesn't mean that I made a slip just as me saying Town doesn't mean I'm a spy in a Resistance game. Why don't you guys actually do some real analysis. Take a look at Mementoss. What's he been up to and why doesn't he care about our win condition? I have no idea who you are. I have no idea where you've been at any point except in this game. Nor do I have magic powers and know that you play resistance, nor do I know the terms from that game. This works as an explanation for your comment, however. ##Unvote | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:39 kingjames01 wrote: By my count, the vote tally looks like this: kingjames01 - 7 votes kushm4sta - 3 votes Shady Sands - 3 votes VisceraEyes - 1 vote Unfortunately, I'm not convinced at all about kushm4sta nor Shady Sands. My vote is going on Mementoss until he starts putting some effort into the game. Do you find that Shady has put effort into the game? Do you find that kushm4sta's effort is doing anything positive for the game? | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:10 talismania wrote: Got half an hour til back to my expt and caught up to this post. What is this? I understand the first post bringing it up but this vote is extremely lazy and sets off all sorts of alarms given that kj already has this wagon going. That vote is extremely lazy. I also unvote him later because he gave an explanation for spies. | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:19 talismania wrote: Lol Marv said this was his normal meta? He should know better than that. This is VE after all. I'm more curious what VE himself says. "Interesting" is not what I expected. Austin so why'd you make it then? Do you see how it looks like you were basically looking for an excuse to hop on a wagon? I made it because he wrote the word SPIES. That word doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this game. Same as...q-bertz or whoever writing the word "mole" in bureaucracy. If you know something about a role that nobody knows EXISTS yet, then you're not town. Spies doesn't exist, he mentions spy reads, therefore he's not town. Turns out spies exist in some similar game, as a normal thing that people know about. | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:14 austinmcc wrote: Working on catching up. Did I absolutely miss this being discussed besides someone calling it a spy slip? People have QUOTED this post and not seemed to be concerned by this: There's nothing in the OP about spy roles. There's nothing in the opening flavor about spy roles. There's nothing about spies ANYWHERE. Spies a neutral faction and KJ part of it? On October 02 2012 02:01 austinmcc wrote: I'm voting KJ. Spies aren't mentioned anywhere. Could be third party, could be the scum team, we don't know. All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads." ##Vote: kingjames01 I'm not suggesting there's a role that is "spy." I specifically note that spy isn't a role in the OP. Nor would it make sense to ask for "spy reads" if spy were a role, I've never seen anyone ask another person for "DT reads" or "medic reads." On October 02 2012 05:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The bit about the mole was meant as an analogy to bureaucracy, because that's the only other time I've seen this done. YES, I said spy = role in that explanation post. However, that explanation post comes way after a vote where I note that spies aren't a role in the OP, which is why I note that it may be the scum faction or a third party faction. Calling it a role in the explanation was just crappy word choice.-_- if you read the OP you would clearly see above the roles that all in the game are included but details of them are not known. If their was a role with the name of spy everyone would know about it just not what it does. You jumping on him for something that is obviously not a role and wanting to lynch screams to me "i found a powerrole, lets lynch it" You have a horrible reason for jumping on KJ and it screams desperate for a reason to lynch him. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin That one's not intended to make me not useless. That one's intended to show that no, I didn't think "spy" was a role. Aperture's lynch was earlier. I needed to put time into that first. Now I can put time into this. | ||
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Trolling into...nothing. He returned at one point to post this: On October 01 2012 13:17 Shady Sands wrote: where he's reading through filters.In response to trolling: I think people are drastically overblowing the following post: How is that a lie, Marv? I explicitly said I was trolling even though on the very first page DrH told GRush to eff off for presumed trolliness. I knew this was going to get me a high chance of being modkilled. But given that there are people who are possibly smurfing for others here, there's still a risk that trolls are here, so I wanted to play that way to make sure no one dared to troll... or at least I could abuse tolerance for trolls to the same extent as others. Now reading through filters Within the next hour he's got 2 posts, so he was in thread. But no reads, no info, no anything about what he got from reading filters. ##Vote: ShadySands Interested in BC's feelings on shady. He mentions shady once, super early on, noting that he wants to see more: On October 01 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC how do you feel about shady's lack of content? He hasn't added anything, but he wasn't on your list of people to lynch: Shady Sands seems to be similar in popularity to the Mattchew lynch from last game (mafia LVII) However I see a major difference like no major scumslip. Also given that near everyone seems content on him being a choice (although no real major voting), I am not inclined to lynch him until he posts more to get a better read. I would however like to see more from (surprise) Mattchew at this moment. Given his ballsy play last game, and the fact that my experience with him is that he is slightly more confident a player, I am not very impressed with his current play this game. It feels too underwhelming from my experience with him. If I am wrong I do apologize on this, but he has only really justified the behaviour of Shady, and asked people for their opinions. Not a lot to go on, and very non commital. I would like to see more posting from both these players, as well as seeing a more from sloosh and marvel so I can solidify a read on them. On October 02 2012 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Looking through the thread the only people who stand out as people I would want to lynch today are austin, risk, and mattchew. On October 02 2012 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:And you don't seem to want to discuss him at all: Does the lack of follow-up so far not do anything for your read on him?As for what I want to accomplish? Ideally a dead mafia, realistically I would like to salvage some of day 1 by giving it some content that isn't rehashed "i want to off KJ, Kush or Shady" | ||
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On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. I'm interested in BC's thoughts on Shady. I think Node's thoughts, already given, make Node look scummy. | ||
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Node Node is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasis On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Node responds Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. To be fair, this was before he disappeared from the thread again. I don't like at all how he left completely once he wasn't in the lead for the lynch. Now that he's back in front don't be surprised to see him spring out of nowhere. However, I'd still rather see kush dead, overall. My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence).mkfuba On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm trying to put my finger on what I dislike so much about this post. I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. First clump is... I may have to reconsider KJ. Okay. He might reconsider. He finds KJ scummy for an interaction with kei which COULD be an accusation and distancing or COULD be a "statement of facts." Here's his earlier post: On October 01 2012 12:17 mkfuba07 wrote: it seems like there's more to it than just the kj/kei interaction. Overall, that first paragraph makes me think mkfuba is trying to slip off a kj lynch, or slip a read that he sees as becoming unpopular, but in a very wishy washy mannerAll that's really stuck out to me was the Kei + KJ interaction, as well as Shady's trolling explanation. I thought I found some inconsistencies with how Shady had played in the past, but it turned out that I was confusing him with another player in my first game. Since he posted his intent to "troll" before the game started, I'm not ready to use it as a reason to vote for him. His votes and reads seem a bit off to me as well, but I know from my experience with him that I almost always disagree with his early D1 reads. I kind of have a personal "no vote for shady until D2" policy (unless he still seems scummy to me and it will avoid a no-lynch). That leaves me with KJ. So far he's talked a lot without saying very much. He's pointed a few fingers and then quickly pulled them away. I believe it's understood that any D1 scumreads are going to be pretty weak (except in specific cases) but he seems to be placing more emphasis on the fact that he's not calling someone out than the fact that someone or something is scummy/suspicious. So my vote's going to fall on him. ##Vote kingjames01 Second clump! I don't know about voting for kush or shady. Shady is strange with his absence, kush's policy lynch is bad. Kush, at this point in the game, has voted roughly 3 billion people. Kush has posted that he wants to lynch about 800 townies. Kush has done all manner of weird-ass not-easily-explained things and mkfuba isn't sure about voting kush because of kush's policy lynch on shady at the start of the game. This shows me that mkfuba hasn't been reading thread at all, hasn't been reading kush's posts OR the posts about kush. shortly thereafter On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... boom. mkfuba grabs my first post. I get TRAPPED in spy-slip land when I could have read the OP, when again, I went to spy-slip land in part because there are no spies in the OP --> not reading me closely. mkfuba finishes up his vote with "not sure if scummy or just busy+confused" he votes me. he doesn't know if I'm scummy. he just refused to vote kush or shady because he didn't "necessarily get scum from them." he just entirely skipped over everything kush had done. HOW IS THIS LOGICAL? How do you vote someone you don't know is scum, not vote two people you don't know are scum, blah blah blah. | ||
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Z-BosoN You know who's been talking about Node in thread? ALMOST NOBODY! You know who makes a random mention of node and his thoughts? Z-Boson! On October 01 2012 23:09 Z-BosoN wrote: This was one of the weirdest things in the thread. Node makes a single post, which I find super duper scummy but which, at the very least, didn't feel like it was incredibly memorable (nobody seems to remember him). Z-Boson, FIVE AND A HALF HOURS later, casually says that node disagrees with something. You know the only person who remembers what node posted that long ago in a single post....NODE'S TEAMMATE. If Z-Boson made this remark and isn't node's teammate, then ... I dunno. That's not going to happen.Dude, you referred to a specific part that I mentioned. Do you want me to quote it for you? My main concern is how he took the tone of putting him above other posters, and then went ahead to give a confusing case on KJ and stating he wants him to be lynched, but doesn't take a stance and just keeps it at a "I'd go with his lynch". I also don't like how he criticized KJ for for not commenting on the main aspects of the game when he himself had just bothered dealing with Ss case, after a long time tunneling annul for a petty reason (imo). Node seems to disagree with you, on the bolded part. @marv Yea his not making a single case yet with no followup for his vote on me is definitely suspicious. In XXIV he was all over the place. I don't like how most of the votes on him are based solely on the trolliness, which is an entirely different saspect. Kush is another player that is heavily scummy, and he has a very hard time making cases when he's scum, so I'd rather wait a bit before taking a stance on him. I don't like, however, how sharrant dealt with why ss isn't scummy, especially his explanation on how it could be town/scum motivated. My view is just that he has some issues and thought it would be funny, and in his embarassment he posted a ridiculous "according to plan" follow up that increased his ridiculousness, and tthats iT, nothing more. What happens after is an entirely different matter, but not why ppl are wanting to lynch him for. God, typing on my cellphone takes forever Risen: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 01:26 Risen wrote: That's not the case against kj at all! That was my concern with kj. Everyone else is voting based on wishy washy, or how something is contrived but only seems contrived, or because he's not scumhunting. Risen completely disregards all that and misrepresents the case. Oddddddddddddddd. Risen also puts bad tags in his post somewhere or something to annoy meI don't think it's a scum slip, I think it's a tiny thing that adds up to him being the most likely scum candidate up for lynch right now. He's completely fine with lynching a towny, just because... it's not like the person he's ok with flipping green is playing horribly. The main reason I'm voting for him was outlined in my initial vote post in here. The case against kj seems to revolve around him saying spy read. I'd like to see how he responds to that "slip". If he doesn't respond adequately (or at all since he seems to have fallen off the planet once someone pointed out the slip, maybe he's hoping it would just go away?) I'm all for moving my vote to him. Another problem I have with Shady is a connection between him and ShiaoPi. I can't help but think if Shady flips red it makes Shiao look so much worse b/c Same with Z-Boson. The post that makes me vote FOR Shady Sands is the one that convinces you he's not worth your vote? I mean cmon, this feels like the most fake posting I've ever seen. To sum: I want to see how Shady flips because... 1) He's my top scum read (we'll see how kj responds, and a red Shady doesn't make him green at all) 2) It will tell me more about Z-Boson and ShiaoPi. mementoss: + Show Spoiler + Returned to the thread after a big absence in a way that felt very off On October 02 2012 03:59 Mementoss wrote: The spy thing has already been covered. Nobody is caring about the spy thing.I don't think the spy thing is a slip at all either. Especially since there is no mention of spies anywhere in OP role list. @kingjames, your completely right that my filter and effort so far is pretty shit. But I don't see why you would chose me over the 10 other people who has like 3-5 posts with minimal substance. Can you give us a scum read with a better more fleshed out explanation that can be discussed and cause some sort of additional discussion? As per marvs / others point on Kushs meta im going to ##Unvote As it seems he doesn't make any sense regardless of alignment and has shown similar thoughts and logic loops in other games. When is the deadline? 7.5 hours? I won't be making any lynch deadlines if thats the case. I will have to re look through for a good lynch target. mementoss's response to kj is "Yeah, my filter is bad. So are a bunch of other filters. Can you do more substantial scumhunting?" I don't know what to make of it but just...that little response gets stuck in my head. iamperfection: + Show Spoiler + This On October 01 2012 05:45 iamperfection wrote: struck me as very similar to thisim in favor of lynching this guy. All in favor? On October 01 2012 05:43 iamperfection wrote: which was recently posted in a scumiamperfection gameWe are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet. ## Vote ghost_403 And a final thought, because they caught me eye. I lean town on both VE and annul. Annul's post on clues in the daypost and post on not over-prioritizing clues v. scumhunting felt townie. VE's original bit on annul feels townie, knocking clue speculation because a mod had pointed out no clues in the daypost AFTER annul posts his bit is ... not good grounds for building a case as scum? I'd think scum would try and pick something more substantive to build off of | ||
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marv, shady looked the worst out of the legit lynch options when I came back. I'd be much happier lynching either node or mkfuba, but neither of them had votes and hadn't combed back through the entire thread in detail. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:02 BroodKingEXE wrote: Check his filter for posts, there aren't too many. Spoilered is why I found him scummy.That never happens. Can someone give me a quick node reason, AFAIK hes a lurker + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 10:40 austinmcc wrote: Alrighty. Got a bunch of disorganized thoughts that I'm going to put down. First off, two people that are REALLY REALLY SCUMMY. Node Node is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasisNode responds My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence). | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Omfg austin really loves me. I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more. You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. A few people mention offhand that they want to see more from Node. You are the ONLY person to reference something he said and use it maybe in an argument. He's got a single post five+ hours before you mention him, and yet you just make this offhand remark about what he said. I don't find YOU overtly scummy this game. But that remark was one of the top 2 strangest things in the thread. | ||
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