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On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read I know mkfuba replaced into LVII. | ||
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The "please no unnecessary bullshit" into "name my band + giant picture" gets major points for degree of difficulty. Not so many points for consistency. I was just amused at you going from one straight into the other. mkfuba replacing into LVII is more or less the only thing I know about the guy. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote: I think this is a bad idea. I think this is especially a bad idea when the game is this fresh.I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity. Your guys thoughts? You want to lynch him specifically because...afraid of his scum play? Or did he miss band practice. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote: I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity. Your guys thoughts? On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? He doesn't suggest that we lynch someone at random, and that the person is you. He "randomly suggests" lynching you. Like...we don't know what's going on. Maybe he's got a wheel of all the things he could do on any given day, and he spins it to see what actions he'll take. Today, one of the spins happened to land on "suggest a lynch of Marvellosity." Neither of the "lies" so far are really lies, or if they are...they aren't the sort that make me want to vote someone. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: <3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia.If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red. On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. | ||
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Elaboration on the first half - + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2012 00:43 austinmcc wrote: Here's something to consider as well, but I don't know that it matters much. Matt posts that he's going to sheep marv. Matt never sheeps marv. Okay, that's just dumb but not really scummy. But... Nobody else seemed concerned about this. I'm guessing nobody knows why I asked this? Take a look at marv's last 5 town games: MTG unthemed mini (both played) - D1 marv votes Mouldy Jeb (town), D2 pushes zealos (scum) bang bang (mattchew didn't play) - D1 marv suspects RoL (town), shoots Gonzaw (cop) movie star (both played) - D1 marv votes Zentor (town), D2 marv votes mattchew (scum), and N2 shoots VE (town) LVI (both played) - D1 marv votes foxtrotter (town), N1 shoots drwiggl3s (town) NMMII (mattchew didn't play)- D1 marv votes drwiggl3s (town), N1 shoots MsZontar (town) Recent games, Marv is 0/5 on D1. 0/3 on vigi shots. 2/4 on D2 reads. Mattchew PLAYED in three of those games, so he's seen this. No offense marv, you know I agreed on a chunk of those reads and pushed some of those players, but your D1 reads, empirically, aren't good for sheeping. I didn't post that summary yesterday because matt didn't look like a lynch candidate and I thought that, if it did anything, it would just derail thread, because nobody was talking about matt really. Plus, it's not quite ... scummy? It shows he's not paying full attention, not really having solid reasoning, but it's not outright scummy to be wrong about marv's D1 reads being better than gonzaw. However, it gave me pause. Something to think about. Elaboration on the second half - Pudding is soft. Munching feels like it requires chewing, crunching. Can't do that with pudding. As to the obvious bit, obvious is the wrong word. I like...neat observations like that. It says something, unsure what, about you that you could pull out the starts to prplhz's game just like POOF. Like, I key in on the initial question more than the actual scummy stuff, because there's a chance that prplhz doesn't realize he's started scum games like that. But ... he has to, right? I gotta leave work, but the thought process is convoluted here. | ||
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On September 18 2012 07:21 Blazinghand wrote: The "it's way too scummy, he must be town" argument is dumb on its head. What are you even saying On September 18 2012 07:23 marvellosity wrote: It's not that it's too scummy to be town. Because the part of your post that I key in on is that prplhz, in two other scum games, and in none of the games he's played as town (out of what you reference), opens in a similar manner.austin, you're not playing with grush. speak plainly or die like a little bitch. I think you are stretching when you say that the questions are scummy. Yes he can go look the guy up. Yes, he might ought to at least remember that the guy played in a game he hosted. But it's not like...asking a question about who someone is is scummy on its face. There's no scumhunting heuristic for "opens games asking questions about a particular player." It MAY be scummy as applied to prplhz, but it's not like every player who opens like that is probably scum. So then . . . working off that. If it's not scummy on its face, but might be scummy to prplhz, why? There's no objective pushed there, it's not like starting off a game with that post helps a mafia objective. If prplhz is scum and happens to start all his scum games this way, it's just something he does without knowing it. There's no objective pushed. Then finally, if starting games that way as scum is just something prplhz does without knowing it, not to push an objective, then . . . it's almost null? Not getting there in the same way "small sample size" gets there. The train of thought is... (1) This is a thing that prplhz has done in scum games (2) This is a thing that does not further mafia objectives, or actively DO anything really (3) Therefore, it's likely he's just doing it subconsciously (4) If he's doing it subconsciously, then it's not really a tell. Could argue that he only does it subconsciously as scum, but then you get the sample size discussion and there's no real proof either way. So obvious was really the wrong word choice, when I fully go through this. On September 18 2012 07:30 Hapahauli wrote: To the bolded - What read? If you think I jumped on some bandwagon, or really tried to push some case, okeedoke. Show where that happened. However, I'm guilty as charged at wanting to talk about the pudding comment. I think in part you're misinterpreting my comments, and in part my comments are not reflective of my thought process, assuming we're going off the "too obvious" comment.But enough of that, austinmcc is more content to talk about pudding than his actual rationale for his read. "Neat observations..." like WTF does that even mean? The whole post reads like him running in circles around the question rather than answering it. ##Vote austinmcc To the italicized - Think of all the D1 cases that you've seen. Most of them hinge on a single post, or a couple posts, but I have never seen one like this. It combines some general meta stuff, which I've seen in cases, with this really, really odd observation. That prplhz has started 2 scum games in almost the same way, but no recent town games. Either BH has some crazy memory and remembers prplhz's first posts from a couple/all prplhz's recent games, or something else is afoot. I'm willing to believe that the former is the case, but if prplhz flips and he flips scum this game, I'm going to be looking at BH. When he keys in on something SO weird and SO tiny, I'm not discounting the possibility that it's actually prplhz who knows how he's started recent games, tells a scumbuddy he's going to do the same thing, and voila! Town cred for BH. I'm not immediately going to try and lynch BH because of that, but it's going to be a thought in my mind. The way that BH started his case gives us SOME insight into BH. I don't quite know what yet, but it's such an odd find from prplhz's filter over multiple games that it's useful for reading BH, the finder, as much or more than it's useful for reading prplhz. So...it's neat that way? It's not the normal way someone makes a D1 case. It's not the normal way someone makes a meta case even, "x always uses this phrase as scum." It's peculiar, and so interesting in general. This is not one of those cases, but I also tend to make 1-2 townreads per game based on just weird phrasing or arguments people use. So far, those reads haven't been wrong. But part of how I play seems to be that I'm looking for weird statements and basing entire reads off of those. Too lazy to get links now, but see hyaach in LV, Suki in... newbie XVI or something, either BC or DrH in LVII, and...I think there was one in PTP3? There's one more out there, but I forget what it is. | ||
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On September 18 2012 08:03 austinmcc wrote: This part of that post should come off...less hostile? I just think you're seeing something that wasn't there, as was another person or two. I didn't vote anyone. I didn't go BEST CASE EVER BH HIGH FIVE! I noted that I found some of it neat, and then brain farted out what's basically a typo with the "obvious" bit.To the bolded - What read? If you think I jumped on some bandwagon, or really tried to push some case, okeedoke. Show where that happened. However, I'm guilty as charged at wanting to talk about the pudding comment. I think in part you're misinterpreting my comments, and in part my comments are not reflective of my thought process, assuming we're going off the "too obvious" comment. For instance, you say that I'm more content to talk about pudding than my rationale for my read. But you also say On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote: Do you not find it a little odd that you both think I am more interested in discussing the term "pudding-munchers" than my read AND am someone you think was the "most willing to be jumping on BH's case"? Those two thoughts don't feel like they harmonize. Each presents sort of a different version of my post - pushing a read and jumping on a case vs. being more content to chat and not scumhunt right at that moment. In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss | ||
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On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: BH you're high-fiving Hapa. You okay with the speed at which he swapped off me?##Unvote @ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. marv, I'd like your thoughts here as well. Do you feel the same way hapa does about my explanation? | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:32 Hapahauli wrote: I got no problem with everyone being on me, that phase actually happens in a decent number of my games.My D1 voting spreads like an STD. In all seriousness, your explanation was good - everyone was on you for a bit because you weren't clear about your rationale. Explaining rationale ----> vote removed. As for marv, I believe he's putting the finishing touches on the newbie game he's hosting, so he probably won't be around for a bit. But I have no ability to judge the clarity of my explanation. I need other thoughts on how clear you seemed to find it. It also helps me see the thought processes behind their own reads, except BH. When you question him, he appears to become Drazerk. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:39 mkfuba07 wrote: So what are we actually supposed to gain from this random voting? o.O The normal explanation is that the whole thing is an exercise at drumming up discussion and getting posts to look at. PROPOSING a random lynch, saying we should RNG a lynch on someone, maybe setting up a method to do so --> everyone responds to that and you sift through their posts. However, once you say that, people immediately know you aren't serious, and it's no longer useful. Palmar's got a post on it...maybe in iGrok's Good Clean Old-Fashioned Mafia? It was referenced in Bureaucracy as well, because he proposed it again. I assume there are some other things you could do with it, but that's generally what you're supposed to get from it - if you don't propose a particular target right off the bat, but random lynch itself, then you generate discussion IF people are willing to discuss it. Mostly they aren't, especially after Palmar's explanation. Stating exactly who you want to vote and calling it "random" is different, but in some ways seems like an evolution of pure RNG lynch - change things up so it's not the same stale option, generate discussion. | ||
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First pudding, then waffles and a goatse knockoff. I'm watching you. | ||
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Basically, I know that sometimes I write my thoughts out in a jumbled manner, don't edit much, and just post it. It can look scummy. Remember...D1 of that last mini we were in? I posted my explanation trying to give my thought process, which makes sense in my own head and shows the rationale behind what I was getting at. But I can't have an idea of how others feel about that rationale. For hapa, it apparently convinced him 100%. It's not that he voted --> unvoted. It's his post where he changes his read on me. In all seriousness, your explanation was good - everyone was on you for a bit because you weren't clear about your rationale. Explaining rationale ----> vote removed. All I know is that my explanation was "good" and apparently helped everyone be "clear" about my rationale. That post troubled me somewhat, because there are no specifics, and because I'm not even sure that my thought process was clear in my explanation. I don't exactly know why it convinced hapa to change his read. If there was no scumread and it was purely a "pressure vote" then that's ... a little better. Then it's not a change in read, but just getting what you were looking for. That sits better with me I suppose.But I asked you and BH how you felt about my explanation, in order to see if it meshed up with hapa finding it good/clear, in order to doublecheck that his change of mind was sensible. You never answered as far as I remember. BH answer included this: On September 18 2012 09:30 Blazinghand wrote: Questioning BH --> BH posting rhymes = BH turning into Drazerk.Iamperfection seems perfectly happy contributing literally nothing and I will not stand for it. I will would not, could not, in the rain, or in the dark, or on a train, or in a car or a tree. I won't stand for it austinmcc. Not in the town, not in the thread, not in the world and not in my head. He won't be quiet without getting my vote, so it shall be done as it's what I wrote. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 20:55 Bluelightz wrote: Talks about someone while inserting a subtle finger onto austinmcc (Hey I think X is scum, but why not lynch Y instead?) ... Direct's more pressure on Hapa, So, now with this last quote I leave you with this question, Who is your main scum target memen? You voted prplhz, inserted subtle fingers on austinmcc, and is pressuring Hapa, who do you think is scum actually? ... | ||
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##Vote: prplhz I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen. | ||
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On September 19 2012 22:50 marvellosity wrote: This apathy only serves to firm my read on austin. I don't doubt that. Can respond to it later, the time I've got is better served looking through filters right now. | ||
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On September 19 2012 23:29 Hapahauli wrote: Voting prplhz is a bad idea, and I'm going to switch into hard-defending mode. Have you seen some of the reasoning that people are voting him? Austin sheeped him apathetically. Bluelights sheeped him a looooing time ago. Blazhinghand thinks he's the scummiest player, but has voted for marv and mkfuba in the interim for questionable reasons. MMtoss voted him on Day 1, has discussed several other cases and has barely mentioned prplhz at all since. Ange is the only person who has something resembling reasonable suspicion on prplhz, and even then I highly disagree with it. I'll get to this more after class, but we should really be looking at some of the people on the prplhz wagon. Especially MMtoss. Ninja. I've got 2/3 of a post on mementoss right now and would so much rather push him than prplhz. Gimme 10-15 | ||
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The start of BH's first prplhz case I've discussed. How the way in which prplhz opens 2 scum games with the same kind of question feels like it can't be a scumtell because it doesn't do anything scummy on its own so it's got to be a thing that prplhz in general might do. This part of one of HiroPro's comments, which has already been discussed, had the same effect...it was just a neat little comment that got me thinking:+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:11 HiroPro wrote: Look at the voting in the thread. We have like 6 or 7 candidates each with one vote. That's a recipe for town disaster. And then look at what Palmar comes in and does - he throws three completely new candidates into the mix and doesn't give any real reason for them being scum. He's not trying to actually lead town onto a successful lynch, he's just trying to cause chaos. Just gave me pause. Initially, I really like it. There's logic behind that comment. We've got spread out voting. Palmar comes in and gives new candidates without much reason. On first read, I completely agreed with that point. Looking back, Palmar's entrance does nothing for me. Palmar didn't create the spread-out voting. And according to Palmar's entrance into thread, where he says he's only read the first 5 pages or so, he may not have even known how the votes were falling. It's unlikely that Palmar, who had no cred at the time, would open up trying to create confusion, especially if he didn't know everything that happened. Moreover, it's not like Palmar's post actively created confusion. Giving reads and NOT backing them up at all doesn't create confusion given the state we're in. We had actual cases on people, a lot of other balls in the air. Nobody should be dropping reads they're pursuing for REASONS and pursuing some read that Palmar throws in thread with little justification. There was no confusion created off of his scumreads at the time. It doesn't make Palmar town. It doesn't make HiroPro scum. But that was just a comment that hooked its way into my brain, and I wanted to give my thought process on it. Just one of the more interesting parts of a post that I'd seen. But now onto the post that REALLY caught my eye. It's this! On September 18 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote: TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=14#261 Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro. Look at all the reactions to this post I made. Palmar thinks I'm scum just from the too obvious comment. Marv found it scummy. Hapa found it scummy. I think another one or two people did as well. But Mementoss's reaction to my comment felt different. He didn't just go "austinmcc you scummy." He's got this long-winded response. It can't be TOO obvious. I'm waffling. I'm all over the place. Rather than call me out for saying something scummy, like Palmar/marv/others?, VOTING me like hapa and marv did, Mementoss just calls me out for being wishy-washy. And he doesn't even really call me out, at least as I read that, he just kind of...posts this thought and then drops it. I do not like this. Does this reaction feel different to others? Does it feel strong? Does it feel like he's actually accusing me? This has me concerned about Mementoss. Wanted to give him a closer look. His mentions of me:+ Show Spoiler + His next post: On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote: Bluelightz brought this up, as him "inserting a subtle finger onto me." But this also caught my eye somewhat. This is a statement that concerns me. I'm not sure that I'm usually articulate in my posts. Especially as things go on, I post a lot of musings. I post some conspiracy theories. In the last mini I played I had some pressure on me D1 because I was INSANELY inarticulate. I had a correct scumread but couldn't push it because I was just blabbering all over the place and not making sense.I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. So...I'm wondering where Mementoss got this from. Maybe it's true. Maybe I'm usually articulate. But I don't see it that way, and it feels odd for someone to just throw that statement out there. He mentions me later, after Bluelightz questions him a little: On September 18 2012 23:14 Mementoss wrote: If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it. I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa? I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness. I guess...I didn't feel pressured by his post. He doesn't call me scum. He doesn't call my scummy. He doesn't REALLY say anything about me above. This isn't a super-strong point, as indecisiveness usually ~ scumminess, but my problem with his initial reaction was that it wasn't strong, didn't call me out, didn't end in a vote, nothing. So I find his characterization of that post as being the only pressure he's put on a person other than prplhz this game to be off. It's not outright, flashing lights, scummy. But when it's a response to pressure and you're sort of...almost misrepresenting an earlier post, misrepresenting your play, it comes off scummy. It comes off like you don't have a good handle on the actions you've taken and are slightly scrambling to explain yourself to pressure. A lot of the rest of his filter is these little...observations and questions that don't DO anything. They're filler: + Show Spoiler + The early bit with prplhz asking about mkfuba On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote: well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874 You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Who cares if prplhz lies or misrepresents what he knows about mkfuba? It's not scummy or townie or ANYTHING to do so. But mementoss latches onto something that's entirely null, in my mind. In fact, he latches onto it so strongly that it's almost his REASON for voting prplhz On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote: I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhz Blazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? BH I like yo case. BH you know prplhz so well. BH I'ma vote prplhz too because he lied/didn't realize/whatever about not knowing mkfuba. I hate that as a reason to vote someone. Even if prplhz is straight up lying, how is it a scummy lie? It serves no purpose, pushes no objective. prplhz isn't twisting his moustache saying, "Mwahahaha, I'm mafia, and now those fools will be spending all of D1 trying to explain to me who mkfuba is! Mwahahaha!" He also, in that post, points out the contradiction between prplhz wanting to keep bs out of thread and then posting his video about a band name. Again, yes it's contradictory. I noticed that too. But it's not SCUMMY. It's a contradiction that does nothing for nobody nohow. + Show Spoiler + His interaction with Marv about mkfuba: On September 19 2012 00:00 Mementoss wrote: Wouldn't by the same logic you would have MKFuba in there? Why did you purposely leave Palmar's name out when you clearly quoted him "defending" iamperfection in the same fashion I did in your own post before? Seen below: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote: @Palmar: Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points. On September 19 2012 00:04 Mementoss wrote: I am reading your posts, basically it says, MKFuba is doing the exact same thing as Hiro but I know him IRL so I'll focus on HiroPro, is this not correct? On September 19 2012 00:26 Mementoss wrote: Rawr rawr. Marv didn't mention mkfuba. Rawr. Marv so biased towards Fuba. Read the thread I answered your questions. And please take off scum shaded glasses everytime you talk to me, I'm not deflecting pressure onto mkfuba, I'm getting verification from Marv, why he is biased towards one lurker over the other. Well what really caught my eye was Fuba's first post. A shit load has already happened in the thread, and this is the ONLY thing he thinks is worth commenting on? Looks pretty fishy to me. I understand hes at school now and will expect more from him tonight. Fuba was in teh thread last night and decided to not say anything except the above. I agree with you that HiroPro hasn't said anything towards finding scum, or anything that helps at all really. But sadly this seems like typical HiroPro meta. Even though it's 'typical' HiroPro it's not to be excused, and I definitely would ask him to step it up. It just seems weird that you would bias one over the other. But what is mementoss DOING here. Does he find marv scummy? Does this mean ANYTHING to mementoss? He says it "seems weird" that Marv would bias one over the other. Great. Great and helpful. Ask questions, go through a dialogue, conclude that the first thing that happened was weird, and give ZERO thoughts about how your dialogue affected that thought process. As in, here's mementoss's brain: (1) why is marv leaving mkfuba out? that's weird. Better ask. (2) couple posts back and forth with marv, doop dee doo (3) alright, time to draw a conclusion from this back and forth! I conclude...that it's weird that marv left mkfuba out initially. + Show Spoiler + mementoss on mkfuba himself The bit above, talking with marv and saying he disliked mkfuba's first post. Then: On September 19 2012 06:29 Mementoss wrote: Am I the only one that find MKFubas first post extremely scummy? On September 19 2012 07:20 Mementoss wrote: A good place to start would be who do YOU want to lynch and explain why. On September 19 2012 07:21 Mementoss wrote: No I don't particularly care, now that your here your future posts will give me more insight to your alignment. There's no pressure! There's no updated read! There's no ANYTHING. Same as his bit with me. He disliked mkfuba's first post. He found my TOO obvious post wishy-washy. But he doesn't DO anything with either of those. He just sort of niggles at that, mentioning it, but drawing no updated conclusions. mkfuba's final post in that exchange, as others have pointed out, was ridiculous, "I have a reason, but it won't convince you, but I have it, if you want it I would tell you the reason, but I'm not going to yet, but I have it." WHAT IS THAT?! BUT. BUT. What is mementoss's reaction to that weird nothingpost? He doesn't care. Future posts will give mementoss insight into mkfuba. MKFUBA JUST POSTED A RIDICULOUS NOTHINGPOST AND MEMENTOSS, WHO IS EITHER FULLY OR HALFWAY CONCERNED ABOUT MKFUBA BEING SCUM, DOESN'T CARE. He doesn't notice. He doesn't poke at it. It just slides away. That is NOT the reaction of someone who thinks mkfuba is scummy. That is NOT the reaction of someone who's scumhunting, even. So here's the thing. I don't get the feeling like mementoss is scumhunting. Not in the way that people should be getting that feeling about me, or others that have lurked. I get the feeling like he's been trying to show that he's scumhunting, but that his reactions are entirely wrong for someone who is doing so.
I know that it's shitty to be gone, throw out someone new, vote them, try to switch votes, blah blah. But mementoss is the most scummy person to me. I'd rather vote someone scummy than sheep, although prplhz isn't a pure sheep, he doesn't look great and I was really worried about something Zephirdd mentioned, that mini where he got pinned on D1, claimed cop, and then just sat back all game. Still...mementoss scummier. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mementoss Hapa, you had previous concerns over mementoss. They seem to still be around. How do you feel about his reactions to my TOO obvious post and mkfuba's weird post? marv and palmar, you guys both found me SCUMMY based on that TOO obvious post. How do you feel about mementoss's reaction? Was he just calmer about it, or does it actually feel like he responded in an entirely different way than a town mindset player would? Other folks. Has mementoss done a thing you're happy with? Contributed something you're happy with? | ||
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austinmcc
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On September 19 2012 23:48 Palmar wrote: What about marv austinmcc? Why do you not want to lynch him? I think this is the best thing you've written on marv On September 19 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote: This is important: When I joined the game marv had made exactly one post worth reading. It was a long-winded post but it had very little substance to it, at least for someone I would consider a good player. He basically rehashed the reasons why a case against hapahauli was bad (duh) and then proceeded to vote for a lurker. The point is marv was really, really not doing jack shit in the game until I actually came in and called him out on it. He seems to have really changed things up. He even changed his entire attitude to be more badass. If you don't believe me, read his filter before, and after this post: It's absolutely true. But this isn't lynchable for me. The shitty reasoning there is "I can't very well get on someone's case for not being active D1 until they were called out, at least not this game." The better reasoning is that I don't see that as a scum-only action from marv. Whether he's town or scum, he should be putting in some effort, making some good posts. Yes, it may be beneficial to lurk as scum, more so than lurking as town, but it's not more beneficial to get active after being called out as scum than it is as town? Both factions would prefer to be active, visible, making quality posts. So the response is something I read as possible from either faction. You really dislike how marv liked Hiro's point about you entering the thread with 3 fresh scumreads. I actually was right with marv, really found Hiro's point interesting at first. See my mementoss post, there's a spoiler with my thought process there. I disagree now that your entrance was scummy, but I had the same initial thought as Hiro, and so it was good to see someone else sharing that. Regardless of my feelings on your alignment, I found that post interesting, so I don't find it scummy that marv did as well. Aside from discussin your reasoning, things that are specific to what marv has posted: On September 18 2012 22:19 marvellosity wrote: Shame goodkarma is replacing out. His first post was scummy as hell. Not the general wishywashyness/not voting, but the fact that he was willing to talk about policy/trolling. I'm going to be keeping a close eye on his replacement. Look at this: The thread has already generated a scumread for GK, but for some reason he's derailing into policy discussion. Look at what he says - policy discussion is far more productive than the direction this game has gone. But look at how this game has gone. This might be the most productive Day 1 I've ever seen. Why is he complaining about it? I agreed with this. For that exact reason. BH had just posted his prplhz case. GK responded to BH about the prplhz case, bringing up BH's claimed dislike of meta. Things were just about to take off. GK's comments about policy discussion felt odd at that point, like we had just had the jumping off post of the thread for activity (BH's case led into responses, those responses led into more posts - me trying to explain myself, hapa and mementoss sniping at eachother, etc.). GK wants to talk about policy in order to be more productive, when the thread is about to see the height of producivity for our D1. So I liked marv's thoughts there. Those would be my reasons specific to you and marv. I'm not finding him scummy this game atm. Apart from your comment on his change in activity, I'm not in agreement with some of the things you find scummy about him. I don't LIKE that he didn't continue mulling over hiropro's comment, I don't LIKE that he kept bringing up your entrance as scummy, but oh well. Anything else is ... minor ticky-tacky stuff. If I'm pretty inactive D1, marv likes to hop on my case. I haven't played with him in a game where he was scum when it's happened, so it's not a town-tell or anything, and it happened a little later than he got accusatory in bureaucracy and can't believe it's not themed, but still not scummy. But the biggest reason is the simplest. I think mementoss is scum. I think mementoss has had scummy reactions. I want to lynch mementoss. marv is not mementoss. So why would I lynch marv? | ||
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