Rockband Mini Mafia

On September 18 2012 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll be around for about a half hour before crashing.

Note: I swear to god Bluelightz if you try to lurk through a game that I'm playing in I will bring down the wrath of Athena upon you. The fact that your utter and total silence isn't a scumtell due to your crappy town meta should be an impetus to change, not an excuse to never post.

On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:


well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874

You hosted a game he was in.

More MKFUBA games if you want
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On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote:
I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be

On September 18 2012 06:34 Mementoss wrote:


Thanks for the grammar lesson.

Yes, I think if you hosted a game with the player was in it you would have an idea who he was. You asked about him clearly stating `there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is` in reference to MKfuba.

Well, you sure made it seem like you were too lazy to find anything about him since you asked the thread about him. The only game I played with him was deathnote, he was active enough, but just seemed to sheep and not lead his own cases. Mostly a commentator.

On September 18 2012 06:36 Mementoss wrote:


Well you have no basis right now to think he``s scum, so how does this idea make any sense. Town wins by killing all the scum.

On September 18 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:


These are the kinda thoughts you keep in your head.
Mafia purposely keeps marv alive, for a totally WIFOM, end game cause of what you said.

Explain why you think iamperfection is mafia because of that post. No random lynches.

On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:


I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv.

##vote: prplhz

Blazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence?

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Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz:

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On September 18 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote:


TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&currentpage=14#261

Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro.

On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote:


I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them.

On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote:


1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy?
2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day.
3) Nothing to do with one another.
4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy.

I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol.

On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote:


Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah.

On September 18 2012 09:39 Mementoss wrote:


oh I thought your meant you told marv you would be voting for him specifically in the next game.

On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote:


Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself.

On September 18 2012 22:01 Ange777 wrote:
@prplhz:



What makes you think my play is terrible? And why does thinking the Kenpachi/Zephirdd Rule is bullshit entitle you to just ignore cases? Just because someone posts bullshit does not mean that it can't help you uncover scum. Again I don't see any kind of scum hunting from you. Scum?

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@Bluelightz:

What makes you think that Mementoss is more scummy than prplhz? Your biggest concern seems to be that he has many different scum reads but that does not mean that he is not contributing. In contrary it is better than prplhz's filter who has not backed up his suspicions with an explanation at all.

On September 18 2012 22:40 Mementoss wrote:
@Bluelightz case
I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says.

Can't say much more now since I'm at work.

On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis!

prplhz
Blazinghand
Palmar
iamperfection
Hapahauli
Mementoss

Gonna go read more filters.

On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:

Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down.

I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy.

As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in.

Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.

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austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now.

Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him.

marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game.

We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.

On September 19 2012 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Okay I wanted to lynch Ange777 because I thought it was weird that she felt so strongly about me being scum, especially over marvellosity even though that might have been later. marvellosity didn't really do much this game compared to his last game where he was town and me on the other hand has played markedly different I should think. As in, I actually provided reads on people this time aronud. This whole "town reads are useless" is dumb especially when I give you three town reads. And now I gave you six town reads and you are still calling it useless but it isn't. Scum reads are cool but that doesn't mean that town reads are useless.

On September 19 2012 02:26 prplhz wrote:
hapa too good

##Vote marvellosity

On September 18 2012 23:14 Mementoss wrote:


If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it.

I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa?

I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness.

On September 21 2012 01:32 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll retract on Mementoss for now, and I think Bluelightz is worth taking a look at.

Bluelightz has two substantial posts in his filter:
Case on Mementoss ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=9#179
He states that Mementoss isn't contributing, then proceeds to quote like 10 of his posts. More importantly, this was all on day 1, where mementoss's activity levels were acceptable by any standard.

Case on Prplzh ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=25#484
This is a really interesting case, because nowhere in the case does he say that Prplzh is "scummy" or is scum. He repeatedly mentions how certain aspects of prplzh's play upsets him ("ticks him off", yadda yadda), but it's not clear if he's even voting prplzh because he's scummy.

It also seems somewhat of an "overkill" case. At that point in the game, prplzh was the clear leading vote candidate with plenty of cases out there against him. Making some gigantic summary post wanting to lynch prplzh is completely unnecessary and reads like an attempt to fake a contribution.

In addition, he has zero interaction with his #1 scum read.

On September 21 2012 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Well actually, you had that quote in Normal Mini III about Bluelightz meta - he's obsessed with town when he's town, and scum when he's scum. Now I know you were scum that game, but I'm curious if you think that read is accurate?

Worth noting that Buelightz has no town reads this game.

On September 21 2012 01:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, like I"m comparing his mentality here to his mentality in some of his other town games. His Normal Mini III play should speak for itself (townie reads on everrrryone), but take one of his posts in GSL Mini for example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925&currentpage=15#295
He doesn't really tunnel 1 scumread. Gives a townie, null, and slightly scummy read all in one post. There are several posts like that throughout his filter - he rarely takes a hardline "tunnel-y" opinion on someone in that game.

Or his first post in GSL:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925&currentpage=7#128
He establishes Risen as town when the whole town wants to lynch him.

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The most recent scumgame I found in his filter was Normal Mini II
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=235418

He does play a fairly different meta than this game (few very long posts, etc), but I think he's displaying a similar mentality. He's very critical of people's play in his scumgame (as he was with prplzh). He's much more sure of his reads, similar to this game.

This could be a trip down meta-confirmationbais lane and I'll have to look more into it, but the mentality IMO is striking. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts.

On September 21 2012 01:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Eh? I just read that and that's not what happened at all:

1st post:


2nd post:


He then posts 1 or two more things on Obvious then gets caught up in defending himself, jumping around votes and suspicions. He finally votes obvious on the lastminute bandwagon, but follows it up with this:



Just a remarkably different mentality - much less sure of himself, and much more open with his reads.

On September 22 2012 00:39 austinmcc wrote:
Bluelightz, what is your current read on mementoss? What was your read at the time you unvoted?

On September 22 2012 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Bluelightz



Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him.



This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads?

Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better.

On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote:
ok I've caught up.

Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.


I will deny!
iamperfection
Hapahauli
blazinghand
Palmar

Junglers
Zephirdd
Mementoss
bluelightz
prplhz
Ange777
mkfuba07

5 carries on your team
Marvellosity
HiroPro
austinmcc

On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.

ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.

hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.

It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.

don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time.

On September 22 2012 23:39 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Anyone



Now normally I view these things as mafia-mentality. I don't know why a townie would be scared of making reads because people would point fingers or be suspicious of them. I see these defensive impulses as mafia traits.

However, as many of you have stated, this is Bluelightz. Is he capable of this as town? I honestly don't think so, since he's normally pretty reckless/carefree as town.

On September 24 2012 12:24 HiroPro wrote:
Mementoss you wanted new analysis on why marv is SK right? This is new analysis! COMMENT!

WHERE ARE BLUELIGHTZ AND ANGE?????