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On August 28 2012 12:19 goodkarma wrote: When you put it that way, I can't resist  /in <3 | ||
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On August 31 2012 15:59 BlackMamba24 wrote: just do what i say i hate it when people don't let me have 100% control over everything Dear Lord... | ||
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On September 04 2012 08:51 Hapahauli wrote: Hey DP! Surely there's something you can comment on in the ~2 pages of the thread so far Yeah I am sure there is. I am just getting breakfast and then I will read through the thread properly. | ||
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Am I missing something here or is this vote just ridiculous? I completely understand claiming nosy neighbour or miller day one, and encourage people with those roles to claim in order to stave off potential mislynches in the future. But immediatly voting someone who questions you seems overly defensive IMO. Talking about retarded voting On September 04 2012 08:09 DoYouHas wrote: Well, as per usual I like lynching lurkers day 1 if a scummier option doesn't present itself. Blues should do as they see fit. Discussion in that area only gives scum more points of reference for blue hunting. In the past L has assured me that this is always the correct course of action, sooo ##Vote: Bill Murray This as your first post? I thought this was a joke and dismissed it whilst I was skimming through everything. except you then defend your vote so I need to take it seriously now. Which makes me sad. On September 04 2012 08:22 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, my vote is neither stupid nor a throwaway. I have a friend who I consider a better player than me who has told me that getting BM out of the game quickly is always a good thing. It is meta as hell but it isn't stupid. Yeah the vote was throw away and stupid regardless of what you maintain. If Bill Murray has some sort of meta in which he trolls and plays retarded that sucks for us, but a policy lynch day one also sucks for us. By throwing a policy vote on Bill Murray immediately and then getting into a protracted defense of this vote you essentially move into a situation in which you take no real position and push a potential mislynch which you would suffer zero consequences from. Seems like an ideal Position for scum to take. | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:26 Hapahauli wrote: As for an early-game scumread, I'm suspicious of DarthPunk. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=15#285 In his only substantial post, he's very critical of the early-game play of two players. He calls mattchew's vote "retarded" but doesn't attempt to say if it's scummy or not. He doesn't ask questions about their motives - he's just critical, and that seems scummy to me. ##Vote DarthPunk On September 04 2012 09:51 DarthPunk wrote: By throwing a policy vote on Bill Murray immediately and then getting into a protracted defense of this vote you essentially move into a situation in which you take no real position and push a potential mislynch which you would suffer zero consequences from. Seems like an ideal Position for scum to take. Motive. It amazes me that you seem to find enough to vote for me on the basis of one post. And that the reasoning behind it was a stretch. I suppose you want me not to be critical? should I just congratulate everyone on how wonderful a job they are doing instead? | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:43 Hapahauli wrote: Was more talking about the first half - walking into a thread and calling mattchew's vote "retarded" doesn't strike me as very townie, especially if you say nothing else about it. OK would you like to explain to me why a vote on someone with no explanation aside from a quote of a seemingly innocuous question is not silly? | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:50 Mattchew wrote: what are you harping on about? the vote was to make him realize he was being thick OK. I don't see the point of it. Obviously not everyone is going to see it like that and some (like myself) will think you actually mean it when you vote for someone. Maybe instead of retarded I should have said vague, confusing and anti-town. On September 04 2012 10:51 Hapahauli wrote: Okay this is getting nowhere fast. Howbout this - other than being "retarded", does it make you lean one way or another toward Mattchew's alignment? As to Mattchews alignment. He claimed Nosy neighbour. As far as I am concerned if he is not a nosy neighbour it will become apparent over time if he was lying. So I would like to take a wait and see approach. I don't feel like his posts are pro town. Perhaps I am missing things and it is going over my head. But clarity and Transparency are preferable to what has been going on during the last few pages. | ||
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On September 04 2012 11:12 Z-BosoN wrote: @Darthpunk Unjustified accusations won't get us anywhere. If you are going to say it was retarded, say why. I thought it was obvious that Insta-voting someone who simply asked a question would be retarded. It was certainly anti-town. Trying to shut people down who are trying to bring to the thread a diverse set of information and opinion is Anti-town. It was later explained that Matt was doing this to tell hapa he was being stupid. Whatever. I think this has been done to death and is becoming a distraction at this point. | ||
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On September 04 2012 11:53 Hapahauli wrote: Let's do this the easy way: Is the "Nosy Neighbor" self-aware? Does he receive his exact title in the role PM? Can't ask questions in the thread buddy. It is in the OP. | ||
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On September 04 2012 11:57 BlackMamba24 wrote: Roles and game specific rules go ahead point it out BC clearly stated that he is making an assumption based on his experience with previous games. This discussion is pointless until someone hears from a mod. | ||
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Well Then, Provide evidence that is not based on assuming this game operates in the same manner that previous games have. @BlackMamba I think that BC is wrong to misrepresent something as factual when it clearly is not. But that is not alignment indicative necessarily. He seems more like a townie than anything. If this is scum BC trying to get a Mislynch day one it has backfired spectacularly and would even more so when Mattchew flipped. It would be an extremely short sighted play. | ||
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On September 04 2012 12:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ BC Regarding the "Nosy Neighbor" claim, I just can't see mafia doing that. If the role isn't self-aware as you suggest, aren't you just shooting yourself in the foot from a mafia perspective? Because if no one else claims, you get auto-lynched. Conversely what would a townie gain from lying about Being a Nosy Neighbour? This argument works both ways and thus has little value. If NN are not self aware it looks pretty bad for Mattchew. | ||
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On September 04 2012 12:50 BlackMamba24 wrote: and vice-versa. Town is actually in a great spot now because there has been a major split and the fact that no one is backing BC up by now has made me feel suspicious. If we can confirm this objectively in a matter of time, I think quite a few scum will be getting the noose. Vice versa somewhat. I think it looks worse for Mattchew to be caught lying than for BC to have pushed for a lynch he obviously 100% believes in. | ||
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On September 04 2012 16:21 Z-BosoN wrote: All right, regarding the BC/Mattchew situation: First of all, this post is wrong: IIRC, he asked for people with the same role - noisy neighbor - to claim, not blues. BC is making this main assumption: To put it simply, this is the main argument going on: how can he know he is a noisy neighbor if they are unaware?. Am I correct? You have made it clear that you are 100% sure that this game does not include self-aware millers. As a normal person, one could not make this assumption, as it would be statistical. Say 90% of games don't include self-aware millers. I have read the OP, and nowhere does it say that millers aren't self-aware, so you must have other reasons to know this, because no matter what, you say it is not an assumption. The fact that you keep insisting would be ridiculous if you weren't indeed 100% certain, because, like sloosh said, you would most likely be lynched if he showed up town, making it a double town loss. Did I get anything wrong here? If not, ##Vote Mattchew So you rail against all the reasoning behind the mattchew vote, say that there is zero evidence that he is lying and that it is based purely on conjecture, and then vote for him without adding anything to the case against him? Then you vote for him, completely contradicting the fact that you clearly state it is based on an assumption? o_0 | ||
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