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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 05 2012 04:03 GMT
#4
/in

I will not be banned in the first game Bluelightz is hosting.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 06 2012 13:06 GMT
#69
Dat smurf
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 06 2012 14:11 GMT
#75
On August 06 2012 22:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2012 22:06 KharadBanar wrote:
Oh I don't know, been outside TL Mafia for a bit, also I had a week in Croatia and so forth.
As for joining a game right now, it's very hard for me to follow more than one game at a time, and I want to follow this one because Dwarf Fortress (and blzinghand's flavor texts )


I take it that it was just a moment of negligence that you forgot to mention you wanted to follow your dear VI buddies HiroPro and marvellosity.


You missed our reunion in Bastard 2
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 06 2012 18:57 GMT
#82
Nah, he's actually just a huge lurker. If he makes more than 1 post this game, we lynch him.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 01:24 GMT
#95
lol, we all know what happened.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 19:28 GMT
#135
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.

Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 19:30 GMT
#136
On August 08 2012 04:26 Mordanis wrote:
CVSTO LVNA PRO SVVS ABVTOR GENITIVI PROVOCO ET AVT NOMEN SVVS MVTAVERIT AVT DABO SENSVS MEVS EI

+ Show Spoiler [Translation] +
For his abuse of the genitive I am calling out Custo Luna, and he must either change his name or I will vote for him.+ Show Spoiler +
Not really, this was just a fun may to make my 4 years of latin worthwhile, and for anyone who's taken latin: Come on, Luna is a first declension noun. Easiest one to learn, and CL has it wrong in his name (Unless his name is just supposed to be two unrelated nouns, like JingleHell, VisceraEyes, and if you allow one word to be an adjective, BlazingHand, BloodyCobbler, etc, etc, etc.). This is therefore a joke.


Funnily enough, the first person I'd like to ask a question is Mr. CL himself. In a way, Sciberbia's post telling people not to claim VT doesn't make any sense, especially when he comes out and says that he's a dwarf. On the other hand though, I don't see why you called out that illogical passage. Are you implying that bad logic is scummy? Or are you just poking fun at him?


Why does it not make sense? Saying that he's a dwarf has nothing to do with claiming VT.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 19:39 GMT
#139
On August 08 2012 04:35 Mordanis wrote:
He is still implying that he's VT though, or else just asking for scum to kill him. When someone claims town, they are trying to make other people perceive them as VT. Why else would you claim town?


-_- I think you need to reconsider your own logic.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 20:00 GMT
#141
On August 08 2012 04:43 Mordanis wrote:
I'm more than willing to, but I don't see any reason to claim town unless you're trying to come off as VT. If you give me a reason, I'll gladly reconsider if it makes sense. There's no reason to get grumpy ^^


lol, I'm not grumpy, just perplexed. Unless they're claiming something, everyone wants to be perceived as VT lol. Not to mention the fact that saying "i'm town" is pretty much a fluff statement - it doesn't mean anything.


What do you think of Forumite witholding his reason for thinking Shiao is scum?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 20:26 GMT
#144
On August 08 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:
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On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote:
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.

Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present.

Why would you want to guarantee one of our only 2 blue roles' death? Tracker might be "fairly useless", but its certainly more useful alive than dead.



I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 20:47 GMT
#148
On August 08 2012 05:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
@HiroPro:
Seeing as you seem to want a tracker to claim at some point, how do you plan to confirm him (like an innocent child would be)? I don't think we would get mod-confirmation for a tracker and therefore scum could fakeclaim just as well. Kind of defeats the entire purpose you had when you try to confirm a townie via claiming.


Sure, they can fakeclaim. But it's better odds to lynch between the 2 claims than in general.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 21:15 GMT
#154
On August 08 2012 06:03 Forumite wrote:
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On August 08 2012 04:28 HiroPro wrote:
Eh I'd only ever consider double lynching in sciberbia's 3/1 scenario (or a 2/1 if it ever comes up). Anywhere else I don't see the benefit.

Thoughts on using Tracker as an innocent child style role instead (if we have one)? It's fairly worthless in this setup since it can only track medic/RB and mafia will know whether or not a tracker is present.

You mean claim, and if counterclaimed (by scum or the real tracker) we kill them both?

I don´t think it´s a good plan. A Tracker is not as good as a DT, but he´s not useless. An innocent child will just get killed if he claims D1. The Tracker can track the one doing the nightkill and the roleblocker, and know if his target is a Doc (no roleblock claim and survives), so basically a DT that misses the one scum that does nothing.

Can scum send the roleblocker to perform the nightkill AND roleblock even when there are other goblins alive, thereby reducing the number of people at risk of being Tracked?
(Only usefull in a Tracker+Doc setup, but still)


Tracker doesn't track night kills. And if it's a setup with a tracker, there's a good chance scum would hold their RBs.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 07 2012 21:49 GMT
#169
watcher tracks night kills - look at sciberbia's question right after that.

Forumite, what do you make of the fact that Shiao has been willing to discuss the setup right after that?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 08 2012 15:37 GMT
#218
On August 08 2012 15:52 sciberbia wrote:
HiroPro
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
(directed at Mordanis)
What do you think of Forumite witholding his reason for thinking Shiao is scum?

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 06:49 HiroPro wrote:
Forumite, what do you make of the fact that Shiao has been willing to discuss the setup right after that?

In the first quote, HiroPro casts some doubt on Forumite's behavior, but doesn't address shiaopi at all. In the second quote, unless I'm mistaken, HiroPro is actually supporting the idea that shiaopi is scum, by showing how shiaopi has contradicted his own distaste for discussing setup/policy. HiroPro certainly doesn't "disagree" with the case in any way.


mm, you're misunderstanding me. I wasn't agreeing with the case - there's no contradiction there (setup and policy aren't the same thing). What I was more interested in was that two of Forumite's main points were that ShiaoPi wasn't sharing his own thoughts and was trying to "shut down discussion". However, right after Forumite made his inital accusation, Shiao was willing to discuss the setup, which doesn't really fit with his points. I wanted to know whether that changed his read.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 08 2012 15:59 GMT
#221
marv, what game are you referring to when you say that you've seen prplhz play this way before? I've never seen town prplhz be so abrasive and disinterested.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 08 2012 20:32 GMT
#259
Let's kill prplhz. As town he may act overwhelmed at times but he certainly doesn't display the attitude or lack of interest that he does here.

This is much more like his scum games (Normal Mini II and Movie Star) where he acts annoyed and angry for no reason and does nothing.


As for Forumite, I'll wait and see. The contradiction that sciberbia and slOosh talk about (wanting to pressure Shiao but at the same time withholding reasoning because ) is certainly present but he's brought a lot more attention onto himself actively than I would expect from a scum player and definitely looks interested in town affairs. We shouldn't lynch him today.

##Vote prplhz
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 08 2012 20:33 GMT
#260
EBWOP: because he wants to see what he does without pressure
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 08 2012 20:45 GMT
#266
On August 08 2012 05:23 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Or it could be something completely different, or even some amazing, irrefutable meta-read that paints Shiao as scum already. I don't see how that could be possible, but without further information, it's sort of a null read on Forumite for now. I think Forumite does deserve some extra attention, as I'm always kind of wary of people who are scheming.



He starts the game off with a really bad post. + Show Spoiler + As the first post of any kind, you have to think about its purpose. Regardless of how a game progresses, it always starts with policy-talking. There is simply nothing to talk about before this. Really, what do people talk about at the beginning of a game if there is no policy talk? I see this as anti-discussion, which obviously helps scum. Furthermore, by posting zero content while coming out against policy, Shiao is trying to grab town cred. Trying to gain town's trust seems more scum motivated than town-motivated. Town wants scum found, doesn't really care if one VT dies in the process. The life of any scum is much more valued though, so survival is much more important. This makes town trust much more valuable to scum than to town. Overall, this is pretty suspicious.


Explain.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 09 2012 04:01 GMT
#287
On August 09 2012 12:39 slOosh wrote:
I find it very alarming that general consensus of town seems to be lynch prplhz, not because he looks particularly townish but because the same group of people have not even talked about scib's case against Forumite, nor are pushing an alternative such as Shiaopi or Mordanis in earnest.


Why are you so unwilling to name names and call out people?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
August 09 2012 11:23 GMT
#311

1) I grow weary of pointing out Forumite's blatant self-contradictions, but originally, after prplhz's first two posts, Forumite lists prplhz as a nulltell. Then suddenly, without any new posts from prplhz, Forumite wants to lynch prplhz or mord. And later, Forumite clarifies that prplhz actually did seem scummy from the first two posts alone. Blatant contradiction.


Hm this is a good point.
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