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Hier
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You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] + On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote: YO talismania : wtf So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote: any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote: Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] + On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote: I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. + Show Spoiler [And here] + On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote: Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. + Show Spoiler [Finally here] + On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote: EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all. Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The day was busy and everyone was furiously making phone calls and trying to figure out the details of the day. Management was still in agreement that someone had to be fired and before they could make that decision an employee helped them. Ken Cosgrove marched into the Partners meeting room and threw down his letter of resignation. "I don't have time for this game" he said and turned on his heels and left the firm, gazing at the glass windows of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce as the elevator doors closed. Zorkmid as Ken Cosgrove Has Quit + Show Spoiler + Ken Cosgrove: You are a man of many names. Ken, Ben, Dave. Each name for different lives. You have your day to day name for your job and your marriage, your first name used in writing and then your second when “forced” to give the hobby up. You have contacts all over the advertising industry and are the reason SCDP knew lucky strike was leaving to begin with. You are a hard worker and everyone thinks they know where you stand. They in reality do not. You made a pact to leave with Peggy should she ever leave. You wont be walked over again, not like you were at Sterling Cooper. Did town lose a player just like that? Didn't we have 2 replacements? | ||
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1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts. 2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active. Then he gets drunk and goes MIA. Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy. WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr. | ||
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Sheep town. | ||
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On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Ok so 1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. Silly talismania, directing medics at night? Town aligned players aren't supposed to play like very inexperienced mafia players. Fix your wording quickly before anybody sees. | ||
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Solid reasoning. I'm sold. | ||
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So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania: Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] + On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote: Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (again) also, what do you think of toad and VE? + Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] + On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote: yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote: yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote: ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] + On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote: zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote: Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes? Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote: strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote: uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Ok so 1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. | ||
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On August 06 2012 05:07 strongandbig wrote: Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that". It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible. My reason for not voting for prplhz was that there was little to no case against him. Far from terrible. | ||
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On August 06 2012 05:13 JingleHell wrote: But hey, somehow it turns into a scumread on anyone who was on Erandorr. Even me, when I was interested in him at the beginning of D1. I guess I've got an awesome crystal ball, right? What? | ||
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On August 06 2012 05:27 slOosh wrote: I've skimmed the thread, will drop some thoughts and flesh them out later tonight when I have more time. I want to lynch Hier for this post. He prefaces his case by saying he doesn't know talis' alignment, so what's the point of it? He points out 5 different things that he finds scummy / weird and nothing at all that indicates he should think talis is town. He ends by reiterating his hesitation, twice, and then gives talis advice that he should do a better job being town. Exudes uncertainty ("not completely confident") and confidence ("you need to sell your town play better") in the same line. Classic contradiction I'd vig / lynch into. SnB, I think I was pretty transparent that my ultimate preference is that we consolidate a lynch on either prplhz or talismania over WBG. Both looked scummy, and I was fine lynching both. I didn't find talis vastly or concretely more scummy than prplhz, if that is what you are interpreting from my post. On that note: Detectives Don't Check Masons I'm sure you guys are competent enough, but just in case it slips your mind, don't check masons unless you think they are lying about being masons (i.e. 2 scum faking mason interaction). I will also be rereading talis for spewing out more anti-town advice. Thread direction is very important to note and I'd encourage everyone to keep it in mind as they reread thread. I posted that in response to Talis. He asked me a question; it would be suspicious for me to ignore completely. I don't have a set answer on who is town and who is mafia, but those are the points I would strongly consider in the future. At the moment I'm convinced that WBG is town and Erandorr is mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2012 10:32 talismania wrote: Also, I was roleblocked. Do you get notified even without a role? | ||
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Why would mafia roleblock you? The first thing you suggest is them wanting to disable your medic abilities. Yet why would the mafia roleblock you, thinking that you are a medic, if you called out for medic protection on Sloosh yourself? You are also confident it was a double stack on Sloosh. Nobody claimed VG yet. There may have been no VG shots last night. Also, On August 06 2012 16:24 talismania wrote: 2) That by having the scum roleblocker roleblocking within the scum team I could claim RB'd without fear of couterclaim I don't get this point. The mafia roleblocks one of their own... because they knew you would claim roleblock? | ||
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On August 07 2012 06:43 talismania wrote: Ok I can confirm I was masoned by VE. I was also masoned by someone who is not out in the open yet as a mason. Assuming he can't convince me otherwise I'll probably out him at the end of the cycle (and post our logs and the logs he had with his D1 person Wait, how are you going to post the logs from Day 1 between those two unknown players? Did he just give you those logs to you in private? An awful lot of trust going on there between the three of you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/008rx.png) Blue star indicates us having the log. Erandorr - WBG Log VE - WBG Log Toad - Erandorr Log Toad - Hassy Log I would safely assume that a mafia player isn't going to mason a mafia player. We still did not get a VG hit claim from last night. We also do not have the Grush mason log, assuming of course that he even masoned somebody. So whoever he masoned is sure to be scum; Grush might have been silenced because of that log. I will also assume that no mason is going to not mason anybody within any Day. Grush might be the only exception to that because that guy was just weird. So people like Hassy, Erandorr, and Toad: we will eagerly await your logs somewhere towards the middle of day 2 of Day 2. | ||
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In conjunction with my previous post about Talis, I am also not entirely convinced by his medic-roleblock-Sloosh story. Out of all the players Sloosh thought to be mafia, Talis took up by far the biggest space in his accusatory posts. The only reason Sloosh switched his vote is because prplhz was someone he originally suspected anyway; Talis was simply nowhere close to leading the vote tally. With all that considered, Talis calls out for protection on Sloosh, citing him a very perceptive and involved player, all while referencing the fact that Sloosh was out to get Talis. So why call protection on a player that has devoted a lot of his efforts to running after a townie? Even more so, why would the mafia double stack (according to Talis, who is convinced of this) on Sloosh, who has spent so much effort running after a townie? Even with all that considered, why would mafia roleblock Talis thinking he is a medic (according to Talis, again)? If he was a medic it would make far more sense to protect Sloosh and keep quiet about it; there was no reason mafia would roleblock him thinking he is a medic. | ||
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On August 08 2012 01:28 talismania wrote: But if mafia was convinced that I was an easy lynch (which I kind of think they were given that I think one of them is VE) then removing sloosh helps their cause, precisely because someone like you could say what you just said (or synystyr, for that matter). You may have missed my point, I do not think you are mafia because Sloosh thought you were mafia. | ||
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On August 08 2012 06:16 Toadesstern wrote: Could we get a votecount? Here. + Show Spoiler [As of this post] + VE 5 Eran 4 Tali 2 WBG 2 CD 1 Xserbt 1 MrZ 1 | ||
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