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Sinensis
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Sinensis
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We all role claim; sequentially; one at a time. If someone duplicate claims, we can post mod PMs for verification (since we can this game). The only chance scum have is if they gamble on a role that isn't in the game and odds are in our favor at least one of them will mess up. Cons would be scum know who's who. But they still wouldn't be able to learn our power levels without putting themselves in serious danger by duplicate claiming. What does everyone think of my plan? | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 24 2012 22:28 ghost_403 wrote: Looks like someone didn't read the OP. Scum team was all given fake claims. Although I am curious as to if their fake claims match their power levels. I would assume they do, but that is something to keep in mind throughout the rest of the game. Will you point out where in the OP it says the scum team knows which Ginyu Squad roles aren't in the game? I still don't see it and thought I read everything... | ||
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Sinensis
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Thanks. In my defense, that wasn't actually in the OP. It makes sense to now that I think about it though especially to keep a plan like mine from working. | ||
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Sinensis
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However, I have spotted scum, they are ghost_403. Reason: His initial post is criticizing my plan for reasons that aren't actually true. He says "someone didn't read the OP," when in reality there was nothing in the OP that said my plan couldn't work. The reason my plan will not work is not answered until iGrok posts this later in the thread: On July 12 2012 00:43 iGrok wrote: Yes. That is for them and anyone who has minor wincons relating to them to know. He is mimicking HiroPro's criticism that I didn't read the OP, when in fact I did and thoroughly. Nothing in the OP says that blue roles have access to fake claims. Especially not the DBZ rules, which are what we are using. The truth is ghost_403 was afraid of my plan, because he is a defender of Earth. So I'm voting for him. ##vote: ghost_403 | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 25 2012 04:45 heist wrote: You seem quite sure that the missing roles are from the Ginyu Force. Why? There's no way to know for sure except for scum. And this is quite a naked play for power level if I've ever seen one. Scum would not be afraid of your plan because they know they have a fake claim. I was looking at the Dragon Ball wiki because I've never watched it (thought this was going to be a Samurai Champloo game) and it said enemies of Earth I.E. TOWN this game are called the Ginyu Force. Also... what? Scum don't know anyone's role except defenders of Earth. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 25 2012 04:52 michaelthe wrote: I honestly think the town is terrible at scum reads on day 1. I advocate for one of two things: 1) a vote that will give information, or 2) a random vote. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 25 2012 05:05 heist wrote: Oh so it was an issue of not knowing the "lore". Only Captain Ginyu Jeice Burter Recoome Guldo are in the Ginyu Force. Scum know their own fake claims and thus each others. Okay so if I want to call the people who want to kill the Defenders of Earth something what should I call them? What do you call the group of characters with red names if not the Ginyu Force? | ||
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On July 25 2012 05:28 heist wrote:+ Show Spoiler + For all intents and purposes, the Defender of Earth are SCUM and the red name characters are TOWN, some of whom are in the Ginyu Force. Btw, your vote is just as bad. On July 25 2012 04:52 michaelthe wrote: Ignoring a games unique mechanic- power levels- is a little bit silly to me. While it may be difficult to see valuable data in a hidden stat at this point of the game, it will be very valuable in later stages to look at early votes and estimate power levels, or perhaps compare claims. A system that attempts to never obtain data from power levels is restricting potential information, therefore bad. On the other hand, I don't think open PL claims are ideal immediately. @Sinensis 1) Acknowledge plan is rubbish due to rules. 2) Claim you have a scum read because someone pointed #1 out to you. The misstated that the rule was in a clarification rather than OP. That's not even close to a scum read. That's just stupid. I honestly think the town is terrible at scum reads on day 1. I advocate for one of two things: 1) a vote that will give information, or 2) a random vote. #1 is ideal, but only an option in some situations. If there is a clear schism between two groups, certain voting blocks emerging, people defending hard, etc. then this can be used. But just someone making a crap case based on crap day 1 analysis (no hard data yet) I think is useless. #2 is more likely to be the case on day 1. I have two reasons for support a random vote: 1. Town is bad at day 1 reads. I did analysis of this once based off TL data. And 2. Scum will be actively- though subtly- pushing their agenda, whereas the town cannot effectively do this. This increases the chance of a townie kill if we go off crap day 1 reads. We will still gain data based off who voted when, who pushed for who, who supported the kill- regardless of if we hit a townie or scum. That said, I will be hoping that #1 is the case today, and will be examining everyone’s play/claims/attacks/support to see if there is any vote that will gather significant data for day 2. Otherwise, I will be rolling a random number now, and voting on that person due to how the mechanics work, it's best to do this early. ##Vote: Sinensis I'm gonna focus more your reasonings than your vote itself. Honestly it's a bad vote based solely off a bad vote. When is a random vote EVER BETTER than a case even if its based off of flimsy day 1 data? There's no accountability. The success of day 1, I would argue, does not rest upon a successful lynch. You're right; we are more likely to mislynch than actually manage to kill scum. If you go into day 1 thinking that the end result of the lynch is the most important thing to day 1 you'll go nowhere. Planning to vote randomly because of it, day 1, will get you nowhere. Information is inevitable but only if you try to pursue scum (even if it may be flawed). Information lynches don't just magically happen to occur. It's there because of analysis and discussion about the lynch target, not everyone deciding to randomly vote because it's the same odds. @Ghost: Do you still disagree with the plan? I like to think about it this way; at least michaelthe is giving us a choice between the two best scenarios possible for scum. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 25 2012 09:03 michaelthe wrote: As far as I know there was a role PM but not an actual start PM? I don't care who dies, I care what people think about the person I picked to die. Also, can we use town and scum rather than reverse colors? Plus, I'm hoping to get my power level OVER 900!!! This isn't an acceptable defense of any of your actions, this is struggling like some pathetic Earth creature. The game started 2 minutes after the role PMs went out. Why does grush need a game start PM too? The rest of us figured it out. (Time role PM was sent) Zephirdd DBZ Mini Mafia 7/24 09:51 Save / Delete / U (Time of Day 1 post) On July 24 2012 09:53 iGrok wrote: All your post accomplishes is dodging real questions with nonsense. You just put yourself and your suspicious friend grush57 on my radar. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 25 2012 12:11 HiroPro wrote: Im talking about his first post btw. Sinensis I have no idea what youre trying to do with pm times but you should stop... Did you not read his other post? I'm not going to "stop" who are you? Michaelthe is defending grush57, the worst player I've ever personally played with, based on this: On July 25 2012 09:03 michaelthe wrote: As far as I know there was a role PM but not an actual start PM? So I posted the role PM time and the game start time and pointed out that they are only two minutes apart. Michaelthe is defending himself, AND grush57 with nothing but hot air. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 25 2012 12:24 HiroPro wrote: You should stop because doing stuff with role PM times is generally banned and doesnt say anything... How exatly does michaelthe defending grush lead you to think that grush is suspicious? In my play book, grush57 starts every game with something to prove. Well, we're 24 hours into a mini where the sooner you vote the more votes you get, he's missing in action, and someone is trying to defend him nonsense. | ||
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Sinensis
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Plus I support killing grush57 at any stage of any game as it is ALWAYS the right decision. Leaving my vote on him while I'm at work. ##vote: grush57 | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 26 2012 06:13 heist wrote: It's 3 hours till lynch and there are honestly no other good alternatives in my mind. The case is weak, but it's day 1 and the case on anyone is going to be weak. I'm just going with my biggest suspicions. In regards to TheMichael, the issue isn't the fact that he placed a random vote on someone. In fact, I would argue that his vote is NOT random at all. He specifically targeted Sinensis right after Sinensis makes a hasty vote on Ghost. I feel like he's jumping on the easy townie. Of course, I could be misreading it, but who is the better alternative here in that case? I thought deadline was 10pm EDT? We still have 5 hours. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 26 2012 10:04 Kenpachi wrote: also i have a pretty funny plan. By pure speculations, id say Goku has the highest powerlevel out of everyone i bet, even over Vegeta. what if we assign every player to vote one another and use 1 person as a scape goat to find Goku? Earlier the better since he will be a bitch to deal with later on.. This might backfire if Vegeta is his equal :/ This plan does not account for special abilities, it would be impossible to get everyone to post at the exact same time to mitigate the power level increase over time, and it relies on every player in the game being honest. For those three reasons, I think your plan will not work. Instead I think we should be focusing on what a terrible vote MajuGarzett was Day 1 and why the people who voted him should be in the spotlight. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 26 2012 10:12 Kenpachi wrote: lol thats not right. mafia could have jumped on any of the wagons and killed a player of their choice since we were so spread apart. I want to look at the other candidates That's exactly what mafia did. They jumped on a player of their choosing, MajuGarzett, who otherwise was playing fine. They succeeded since we were so spread out. Which is why we should focus on the people who voted him. What other candidates? | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 26 2012 23:13 Mattchew wrote: For the post game, whoever was Maju's ally and knew of their towniness and didn't speak up.... fuck that. You single-handily could have saved a townie from a lynch and you didn't say anything. No matter what is said, that IS terrible play. Sinensis for someone who claims "what a terrible vote MajuGarzett was Day 1" you had your vote left on me, someone who replaced into the game. Does that show that you cared about the lynch at all? I find it pretty weird that you couldnt be arsed to change your vote or ask others to change with you or even post in the thread about who the current lynch target was, but somehow you are back in the thread willing to yell at everyone about the lynch under an hour after the post is made There wasn't even a case on Maju. Someone pointed out that he voted michaelthe because michaelthe wanted to either random lynch or lynch for into. Somehow that makes him suspicious? Three of the votes were in the last two hours of voting. | ||
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