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Okay, I have read through the thread and I will give my thoughts so far.
Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen. Palmar's defenses and responses to other people are pretty interesting and lacking to say the least.
Here are a couple recent ones that I pulled from his filter. When Marv confronted Palmar and asked his to share this is how Palmar replied
On July 16 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote:
I don't want to talk to you anymore marvellosity
Then a couple of pages later comes back with this
On July 17 2012 00:00 Palmar wrote:
I hate you guys.
I thought it was interesting and wanted to bring attention to him.
Palmar as isn't playing like his "Usual" self this game. He hasn't started up his play of calling people idiots and chewing them out for disagreeing with him. Instead he has been trying to keep his mouth shut in case he gets a few people a little too angry and the votes start shifting towards him.
As for BH, I'm not too sure about him yet. I'm going to wait to see more until I make a decision on him.
Kurumi: I'm leaning suspicious on. I have been in enough games with him where he's been Mafia to have a good idea of how he plays. So far he hasn't been as obnoxious and confusing as he has been previously in other games but there is still enough to make me be weary. Until I see more I'm going to keep an eye on him.
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Almost forgot
##Vote Palmar
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On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG
You're wrong
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On July 17 2012 02:12 HiroPro wrote:
Katina, could you point me to something that you feel is Palmar's "usual" town play?
It's hard to find games when he smurfs all the time. It's even harder to find a game where he is town. I had a few posts but the tags got messed up. Go look at Mafia LIV, It's not much but again it's hard to find a lot on him but it's Palmar. Everyone knows how he plays. He's aggressive and opinionated. He will let you know if you are stupid or if he's mad at you. He usually keeps a low profile and avoids stepping on toes if he is Mafia. Once I recover from the annoyance that are tags I will go and find the posts again.
Note to self: Don't close tabs before making sure everything is good.
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Mattchew, I have no idea where that "case against me came from. I made one post and voted on who I thought was the most suspicious and you immediately jump all over me and assume I'm Mafia. WBG has that corner covered. I didn't know that giving my opinion on what's been going on is scummy. It's D1 a majority of the cases are going to be bad (Ex: Your case on me) Don't read into things that aren't there. I'm town. Move onto someone else that is actually scummy.
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@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
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On July 17 2012 03:21 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
You literally haven't answered any of my points in my case against you and you still fail to even quote what I have wrote. I can't tell if you haven't read it or if you just don't know how to respond to the truth
Really Mattchew? Are you really picking at the fact that I haven't been quoting what you have wrote? I have answered the points against me in your case (there wasn't much to respond to) I have read the thread. What you're saying isnt the truth. I have defended myself already.
On July 17 2012 03:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
Why do you "know" that you are an easy target to be "mislynched"? Has this been a common occurrence? Why do you keep mentioning WBG and comparing mattchew's play to his, it's not relevant at all. I agree with mattchew in the sense that some parts of your palmar "case" were weak and perhaps suspiciously so, but at the same time Palmar is clearly 100% trolling so far so he could very well be mafia. I think the only thing about his play that could point towards him being town is the fact he outed sinani's smurf, which isn't very smart to do in this setup if you are mafia as the person whose smurf you are outing may also be mafia. What do you think about meapak's play so far?
I have been mislynched several times by people like Mattchew thinking I'm scummy. Then they lynch me and I flip town. It's a fairly common occurence. I'm comparing the two because I have played in a few games with the both of them. WBG pushes me severly when he thinks I'm Mafia in a similar way that Mattchew is trying to but only WBG actually has points and does it poperly. WBG has gotten me lynch for it, I think Mattchew is Mafia and trying to do what WBG does to get me lynched this game. As for my case on Palmar, It's D1 the cases aren't going to be 100% percent solid. Mattchew's case on me was weaker than the one I made on Palmar.
I don't think Meapak is Mafia at the moment. Then again I haven't been looking at him closely. I have been looking at people who I'm familiar with their play style so I can get an idea of their alignment and start narrowing people down.
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On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote:
Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List:
Mattchew
Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism
Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate?
It seems that you are throwing around doubt and trying to side track people in your first post. You post one sentence about people who are scummy such as Kurumi (which you seem to have scummy feelings towards) and Palmar. You basically posted close to nothing just a sentence maybe two on a few people. I know you all too well, those are the things you taught me to do. I know you are Mafia love cake <3
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The last few pages have been very interesting.
I'm moving my vote
##Unvote Palmar
##Vote Kurumi
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I would like to bring attention back to Foolishness' post against syllogism. Kurumi's fate looks sealed. I like the points that were brought up and the evidence that was presented. I was a bit suspicios of syllogism (even though I didn't like the idea of lynching him today)
And to save some posts just because I like Foolishness' case doesn't mean that I think he's in the clear.
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On July 17 2012 07:30 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 07:29 Katina wrote:
I would like to bring attention back to Foolishness' post against syllogism. Kurumi's fate looks sealed. I like the points that were brought up and the evidence that was presented. I was a bit suspicios of syllogism (even though I didn't like the idea of lynching him today)
And to save some posts just because I like Foolishness' case doesn't mean that I think he's in the clear. Really, which point specifically do you like and what "evidence"? Did you forget about palmar already?
No I didn't forget about Palmar. I'm more focused on Kurumi and what's going on in the thread right now. I liked how Foolishness took the time to go through past games and used your posts to link together Mafia behavoir in other games.
Take it easy, my vote is on Kurumi.
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On July 17 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't)
The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny.
Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab.
Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now.
Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew.
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Why did you all get nukes?!? That's no fair!
I think that we should lynch syllogism, or Palmar.
Hiro, I will go find Palmar's meta for you since my internet is not being so slow right now.
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Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will.
I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself.
To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him.
I will get back to you on Foolishness.
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On July 17 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote:
Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will.
I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself.
To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him.
I will get back to you on Foolishness. Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable! I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you
I really like how you convinently appear whenever I do. You haven't post reads on others nearly to the extent that you have on me. I would hardly call what you have been doing as generating dicussion. I think people have even forgotten that you were in the game. No one every says anything to you or about you.
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Geez, the thread is all over the place and so are the votes. Instead of focusing on one person to lynch there are several people being pushed for today's lynch.
There is no way there will be a Foolishness or a Sandroba lynch today. Syllogism, or Blazinghand is most likely at this point maybe Austin (depends on everyone else) Since WBG is pushing him pretty hard right now. Kurumi is getting nuked so that's a done deal. I feel like lots of people are trying to throw doubt around last minute here. Once night hits these people should be looked at (EX: austin, marv)
Right now both Syllogism and Blazinghand is near the top of my suspicion list and these two are the main candidates for lynch today. Blazinghand hasn't been around in for a bit while Syllogism has been here trying to defend himself and push his suspicions of Foolishness (Who is also scummy to me) I would like to give Syllo another day and see what happens. So I will be voting for Blazhinghand today. I'm sure enough about austin yet to consider him a lynch candidate today I will wait and see what happens later on.
##Unvote Kurumi
##Vote Blazinghand
Depending on his flip and who dies during the night hopefully we will have a more organized D2.
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Gah! Blazinghand! It's like you know!
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On July 18 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
Katina, you've never mentioned anything about BH before. Why lynch him?
I mention him briefly in one of my posts early on. I said I wanted to see more from him until I make decision. I was watching him closely because people were always talking about him. At the time I thought the cases on Palmar and Foolishness were stronger. When Syllo popped up I thought he was more suspicious as well. So I was merely attacking them until I was more confident in Blazinghand's alignment.I have never been against his lynch if I was I would have said something early on. Especially when he started getting votes.
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If it's your idea of town logic BH then I'm not too worried about it.
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bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:
supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw
Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying.
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