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Mattchew
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I want MrZentor dead. On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote: you may quiz me and i will answer your questions. Marv, if you were to pick out the differences in your scum play and your town play, what would you point to? | ||
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On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. I dislike this answer greatly. The entire reason I asked was because of how strong your scum play has been recently, and that seemingly no-one (especially in this game) could finger you as scum. I was looking for an answer that would leave me with things to hold you accountable for. Instead, you dodge the question completely. On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum. I don't like your grasping at straws to use "im smarter than doing something so scummy" as a defense. If you knew it would look scummy, why would you do it? It serves no town purpose to act willfully scummy. On June 22 2012 10:57 MrZentor wrote: Anything I can do?  Off to another game making me not want to play with you again. Seriously you /outted which is why I stayed in this game ugh. On June 22 2012 11:09 MrZentor wrote: I don't see how you can find somebody so suspicious so early in the game. -.- I'll find scum when I have more content. Is this your first game? Cause only noobs who know nothing about hunting scum say shit like this. People find day 1 scum all the time. We have no counter-claim to his medic claim. I don't think we can lynch him yet because of this. I have seen recent posts about prpl.. i will read his filter and context now and post about that in a little bit | ||
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On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: Also, I'm still waiting for Mattchew to come back and explain this: I figured that of all people he would have more insight as to his differences and tells in his scum/town play, he would have the most information. It was extremely early in the game and was what I thought a good time to go into a self meta analysis that if he were town, he would gladly bestow upon us the things that he would use to set himself apart from scum. Instead, he sidesteps the question completely, not leaving us with anything to hold him accountable or help us get a read on him. Then he says that he knew this answer would be viewed as scummy, which if something is scummy, it is anti-town. I don't see why he would post like that knowing it would not help town. On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote: Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly. That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? (big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting) On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote: When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him. This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before ##Vote: rastaban | ||
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Mattchew
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Ve Marv and prob i would like your thoughts on rasta.. | ||
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On June 22 2012 12:01 MrZentor wrote: I don't think Prphlz as mafia would suggest something as idiotic as lynching me. + Show Spoiler + Is this not for this game.. Cause If not fuck me let's lynch mrz | ||
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##vote mrzentor Thought he claimed doc so I woulda done this way earlier otherwise | ||
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##vote mrzentor | ||
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On June 24 2012 04:54 prplhz wrote: Okay I wanted to write a case on Zephirdd last night but then I really had to sleep and I've been busy today but here we go. This is the post in question. People have already said that this is a bad plan and I agree with that. My problem isn't that he's suggesting a bad plan. it's that I think it comes from a scum perspective. Scum are much more likely to suggest plans that they think are bad for them. For scum, it doesn't really matter if millers claim or not but what Zephirdd focuses on is how it will make them confirmed green and not blue. Zephirdd thinks that that will narrow down the pool of potential blues that scum can shoot which will be a plus for scum. Townies would never focus on this because they don't really care about blues, they care about analysis and avoiding chaos and that's what miller claims will help them avoid. This is really the crux of my case but I'm going to write some more that might convince other people too. First Zephirdd is pretty suspicious about rastaban. Worst case ever into doesn't feel like your other games. He never does anything. Next he has an epiphany that VisceraEyes and marvellosity are scum and again he doesn't do anything about it. No vote, no push, no anything. He looks pretty convinced from what he is saying but he's not acting on it. In the end he jumps on the zentor wagon as the 9th voter, an ultra safe vote based off of two lines of analysis that has already been made several times by other people. What you guys think about this? what exactly are you trying to do with this? save your scum teammate zentor with a no-lynch? | ||
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Mattchew
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On June 25 2012 12:00 wherebugsgo wrote: What the fuck Truth On June 25 2012 14:40 Probulous wrote: Mattchew You started the whole Marvel thing and given his incredibly vague response why is this all you have to say about him From my reading it sounds like you think he is scum. You are certainly not happy with his reply. Which begs the question, if you are unhappy with his response but don't bother writing up a case, why ask the question? In fact you have nothing else to say about marvel at all. Then when you do push a case it is this terrible excuse for a vote on rastaban Wishy washy and bad cases do not a scum make. Rastaban may be scum but if all he has done is be wishy-washy and push a bad case, he may be bad town as well. Of course you then jumped back onto your policy lynch of Zentor. What really confuses me is this When prpl was the guy who started the whole thing. Your play is substandard mattchew. The only case you have pushed has been Rastaban which is not revealing at all. What happened the crazy bastard who fake claimed a hit in LV? Can I say "the weekend happened" (work into happy hour into NYC debauchery friday, graduation BBQ party saturday, NY Red Bulls game sunday)? Also, I fail to see how my thoughts on Rastaban are bad? Those reasons help push a scum agenda while showing a fear of posting in the thread. Prplhz's post on zeph came at a really suspicious time. He may as well have asked for a no-lynch because if his case had actually gained traction, thats what would of occurred considering the time and players available. I answered Snarfs question because it was asked of me. The discussion I believe had shifted away from Marv and he was no longer a lynch candidate. I don't believe that posting anything further about Marv would have helped town at that time. I will however be posting more on him in the next 24 hours while we discuss lynch candidates. I am attempting to post more concisely and be less annoying this game then usual due to complaints in past games. When I wake up tomorrow I want to do a big post explaining my scum reads. You may all hold me accountable for doing so and the reads that I present. For now I am going to sleep after a long weekend. | ||
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On June 25 2012 18:00 risk.nuke wrote: Mattchew can you link me games where you've been scum? I was scum in Area LIII, The Caller game (Roman), Werewolves 2, and the 80 person game I believe. There may be 1 more I am forgetting. On June 26 2012 10:07 marvellosity wrote: It's evening time in the US of A. I guess Mattchew hasn't woken up yet... My apologies. I thought I would have my laptop in the hospital with me and I'd rather not elaborate on why I was there. But I am home now. | ||
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Those three (in order of how I would like them lynched/killed) are Rastaban, Prplhz and marvellosity My First Suspect is Rastaban. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote: (big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting) This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before ##Vote: rastaban On June 26 2012 03:43 rastaban wrote: @Snarfs But notice how even after he says to remove both of them he follows up with "marv seems a bit scummy. Partly because how his inabillity to see how Vicera is town." which leaves it open for a future vote and still throws suspicion on marv. As for removing VE from the lynch pool, marvs recent vote on VE was the first this whole game. Despite the back and forth it was only ever 1 way, VE was not in any danger of being lyched at any point so all he really states is: don't vote marv yet, but he is a bit scummy. Also a lot of people had come out in defense of marv by that point saying we need to hold off on lynching him. If this had been the one to help get the votes off marv I would be more inclined to think it town aligned but as it is, it just seems regurgitated to me. He thinks marv is scummy but did not want to vote for him day 1? That's perfectly reasonable play. On June 26 2012 10:21 rastaban wrote: Hey I am not sure what you want from me, since day one I have had a town read on both you and VE. I think Risk is scum (you admit hasn't contributed). I agree a lot of people are very absent and need to get posting so we can see what side they are on. I find this tone (throughout the game) when in conversation with Marv to be strange. He has not ever given a reason for thinking Marv or VE is town, yet constantly lumps them together as townies arguing. All in all, I find the tone of Rastaban's posts to be hesitant and a little off. I find that his lumping of townreads on players suspicious, and he has never really responded to a single case brought up. Instead he has just safely tunneled his forced case on Risk. I want scum Rastaban dead. He barely even defends himself even though he was extremely close to being lynched which shows me he's more scum than bad town (for you prob... <3) ##vote Rastaban Next up we have Prplhz I have already posted my thoughts on his timing of his Zeph case. While I was wrong about MrZ being his scum teammate, that hasn't dropped my suspicions. He posted a case, when it had no chance of actually impacting anything. I can't see a reason a townie would do this. It is obviously not going to get the attention he should want it to receive and all it provides him with is the ability to later on say I've been making cases all game. He hasn't posted about Zeph since that day ended. I think enough time has been given to say WTF? and then he goes and posts this... On June 26 2012 09:56 prplhz wrote: VisceraEyes marvellosity How do you feel about risk.nuke? Like is Risk now your #1 target too now? Where did his suspicions of Zeph go? Why isn't he trying to push his case on him that he wanted to lynch me for calling him out on the weird timing? Why can't I equate almost anything he has done with a Town Agenda? Finally we have Marv. I actually should maybe color Marv black, because I think his play just feels very off. I think I lean him being the SK more than I do him being scum. Either way he eventually needs a noose. His filter is long and fluffy. A ton of arguing with VE but even more deflecting of actual answers... instead he resorts to inane arguments full of WIFOM and fallacys, like in all these filter enhancing posts. Can someone pick me out anything pro-town from these? + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. On June 22 2012 07:30 marvellosity wrote: incorrect answer On June 22 2012 07:32 marvellosity wrote: lol, ok dear. If people could look for themselves, then maybe just one person in the whole of LV and the obsQT might have had a tingling suspicion, no? No. On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote: here's a clue count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat compare to current situation profit On June 22 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote: lol, ok. On June 22 2012 09:39 marvellosity wrote: VE, you're so tedious sometimes. On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum. On June 22 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Don't be an idiot. Why would I let myself in for this (fairly predictable, even if how long and hard it has continued was not) when I didn't have to? Use your noggin. On June 22 2012 09:56 marvellosity wrote: a) because i'm unafraid b) because i get information from who and how i'm pushed On June 22 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote: wrong way of looking at it Prob if I were scum I'd have thought more before answering matt's question. even if this conversation has been quite interesting On June 22 2012 10:13 marvellosity wrote: it means you're a very special boy <3 On June 22 2012 10:20 marvellosity wrote: who knew being the centre of attention was so tiring?! gosh On June 22 2012 10:39 marvellosity wrote: we could dance? On June 22 2012 10:43 marvellosity wrote: haha me too ^^ On June 22 2012 18:31 marvellosity wrote: What an exceptionally stupid thing to say, well done. On June 22 2012 23:05 marvellosity wrote: I didn't make a conscious decision to go 'lol gonna appear scummy now'. I read Matt's post and made a reply to it without giving it that much thought. The point being I give every post I make as scum due thought. On June 23 2012 07:15 marvellosity wrote: 'fabricated some fantasy' your posts are just littered with insidious phrases like this. On June 23 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote: If you're trying to figure shit out, you're doing a fucking awful job of it. On June 24 2012 03:29 marvellosity wrote: No, I'm just arrogant and sarcastic. But it's not the case. stopping cause the point is made and this is getting tedious. This alongside his flip-flopping on VE, which I think is less likely then the usual confident (he called himself arrogant) town Marv. | ||
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On June 26 2012 12:50 rastaban wrote: @ Mattchew "He thinks marv is scummy but did not want to vote for him day 1? That's perfectly reasonable play." Guess what Zentor was much scummier than Marv day one, which you yourself must have thought or you wouldn't have voted him as well. At the time I posted that statement we were early in day one and people were starting to bandwagon marv before we could evaluate everyone. SO yeah it was reasonable, jumping on the wagon is what wouldn't have been reasonable. Isn't it obvious why VE is town, we have the only person voting for VE claiming he was was the most likely mafia shot and others saying he is the towniest of the town. I don't know about marv yet, I felt he seemed town yesterday as he spent the whole time fending so I never got a chance to see much from him. His actions today don't feel mafia to me, His sudden switch on VE would obviously put him under scrutiny but he still did it, that is something a town player would be more willing to do than a mafia. Risk is my Number one read and I am looking through the filters of some of the other players to find possible scum. I will look through prplhz again That said why are you posting 3 different people with miniature cases? I would much prefer an actual full case on someone rather than cherry picking an item or two on three different players. Everyone makes small decisions that isolated can make them look scummy, it is finding a trail of them to show it wasn't just a single bad play that helps us make an informed decision. @Probulous, didn't get to review your case as well as I wanted to, and I need to get off for a bit but I will look back over it in case I am reading marv wrong in the morning and give you my thoughts. I like that you called them mini-cases. Since when did length have anything to do with content and finding scum | ||
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Anyway im here now My vote is on rasta because I believed and still believe we were/are in the deciding of lynch candidates and he's my strongest read... If it comes down to Marv vs. Not-rasta/prp or no-lynch I have/had plenty of time to put my vote on Marv... Marv's vig claim makes me want to hold off on him even more... I say we give him a chance to shoot scum | ||
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Also, I'm an idiot and forgot zeph died so my thoughts on prp are completely invalid... Rasta and Marv for scum it is ##unvote ##vote marvellosity | ||
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On June 26 2012 21:46 risk.nuke wrote: Well it's pretty much ironclad that marv isn't mafia. Maybe a SK but honestly his playstyle doesn't fit the SK profile. I think he's innocent and there are to many eggs in the marv basket. If he's the SK he's under our control anyway. As such I suggest we lynch xsksc instead. Care to elaborate on any of these points | ||
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