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On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. So you suggest that we identify a group of players and then hold them to a lower standard than we would for a typical player? Are you aware of how low those standards are already? In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town Can you give specific examples? | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:13 BroodKingEXE wrote: You still think I'm a newbie  @Kurumi I know spam is bad, but we should put as many posts as we need to prove our point. You dont need to go shooting down conversation, by suggesting a minimal post policy. Just bringing up the idea starts off on a "maybe I should post until I have more stuff" attitude. @Mr "i am not a newbie because i have played like a dick by ninja voting with scum as town" i asked you questions | ||
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BroodKingEXE: On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. He talks about newbies as if he were not one. He clearly wants to look for the intent behind posts. He is worried about lynching based off of poor evidence. He says that newbies tend to make up information from nothing. read this post: On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote: Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned. I am sure that you have seen many such posts in the past. It is a typical opening post. Promising future content can be scummy depending upon how it is followed up. But BroodKing writes: On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with. As far as i am aware risk nuke has reminded us that he has been town in the post in many of his games and in all of them he was town. Saying that he has been town in the past really isn't very relevant. Believe it or not some people are busy on Friday nights and giving a reason for inactivity is not scummy. It seems that BroodKingEXE is making something out of nothing. He isn't looking at the intent behind posts but he is instead making the mistakes that he said newbies would. Kurumi: On June 30 2012 09:59 Kurumi wrote: I agree with my fellow co-worker. It is a pity that plants need our help or otherwise they would die. Since there is a lot of us working together here, we must absolutely refrain from saying too much. I shall observe you carefully. Have a nice day. This is a little open to interpretation. He wants us to consolidate our posts. Presumably this is to make the thread easier to read and understand. He then proceeds to post a large number of unclear short posts that are of no use to anybody. He acts like he has a self imposed posting restriction. We should not tolerate such play. Let's kill Kurumi. | ||
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On June 30 2012 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono, Kurumi lives today. He's trying to help town, if you take the time to try and understand what he's saying. Would you mind if i decided to communicate exclusively through stickmen draw in paint? What if everyone did that? If we took our time then i am sure we could understand the conversation. | ||
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2 of the self imposed restrictions were mafia (the bard and drazerk) and 1 was SK (p-body). Then caller changed it so that drazerks became part of his role. It's more about the principle of deliberately being unclear and uncooperative. He is prioritising posting how he likes over trying to help town win the game. | ||
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On June 30 2012 23:18 Hyaach wrote: I'm against lynching Kurumi. Don't know about policy lynch but detective pinkie pie from bastard mafia came to mind here. This is a normal game. Bastard mafia was a bastard game. Bastard games contain ridiculous roles and unsually contain unfair, unbalanced or seriuos game changing mechanics. There was a big discussion hereabout what normal games should be. The short of it is that normal games don't have that crap and that role is not relevant to this game. | ||
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Hyaach need to stop sitting on his ass waiting for someone else to make a case and do something. I don't get this: On June 30 2012 15:31 Hyaach wrote: hi town my second big mafia. Please don't shit it up with spam. i can't handle that. On June 30 2012 23:18 Hyaach wrote: I'm against lynching Kurumi. Don't know about policy lynch but detective pinkie pie from bastard mafia came to mind here. I cannot give a judgement worth anything about him at this time. | ||
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On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote: I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. Could you maybe share some of your decision making process? You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes. | ||
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On July 01 2012 06:27 Vivax wrote: Guys, look at the voting thread. Casualman just voted for himself. That's his phase 2. He can't have done that. That would be retarded. | ||
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On July 01 2012 07:27 BroodKingEXE wrote: Do you know why I have been defending my experience? Because if solstice and I have played an equal amount of games I have not created a case on a newb. Isn't that the bulk of the accusation against me? No. It isn't. Try again. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + (Top: most recent Bottom: least recent) VisceraEyes ##Vote: BillMurray austinmcc ##Vote mKmKmK Vivax ##Vote mKmKmK Kurumi ##vote mKmKmK EchelonTee ##vote mKmKmK Hyaach ##vote mKmKmK s0Lstice ##Vote: Katina Adam4167 ##Vote: Mandalor Mandalor ##vote: BroodKingEXE MajuGarzett ##Vote: NoSmurfHere Twelve ##vote: BroodKingEXE Bill Murray ##vote: BroodKingeXxe casualman ##Vote: casualman drwiggl3s ##Vote: BroodKingEXE ShiaoPi ##vote: BroodKingEXE rastaban ##vote mKmKmK BroodKingEXE ##Vote: casualman Acrofales ##vote BillMurray Mattchew ##vote casualman Katina ##Vote BroodKingEXE NoSmurfHere ##vote mKmKmK votecount: mKmKmK (7) austinmcc Vivax Kurumi EchelonTee Hyaach NoSmurfHere rastaban BroodkingEXE (6) Katina ShiaoPi drwiggl3s Bill Murray Twelve mandalor Casualman (3) Casualman BrodkingEXE Mattchew BillMurray (2) VisceraEyes Acrofales Mandalor (1) Adam4167 NoSmurfHere (1) MajuGarzett Katina (1) s0Lstice As a member of our great (circus) town it is very important that you put effort and time into your vote. It increases your chance of winning. It is expected of town. It is not very difficult for town. It is benfiacial for town. It is risky for mafia. The more opinions mafia give and the more stances mafia have to take, the more likely they are to give themselves away. Avoiding putting in time and effort in voting is beneficial to mafia. With that in mind, why on earth are VisceraEyes and Acrofales throwing away their votes. Both players are known for domineering and leading threads for better or worse and it is surprising that they are happy to cast votes that will be of little consequence. These players: + Show Spoiler + Katina NoSmurfHere Mattchew Acrofales Voted very early on and have not changed their votws. I am concerned that so many players are content to leave their votes like this when you consider the huge difference in the information available when they voted to the information available now. Casualman voted for himself. Either he is a townie that is playing to screw with us or he is mafia plaing to screw with us. We should kill Casualman. If we allow players to do that then we will be dealing with nonsense all game and once all of the active players are killed off our lurking brethren will see a bunch of rubbish get confused and lose. I still think we should kill Kurumi but he is at least half playing the game. ##Vote Casualman | ||
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Ignore him or kill him. Don't pretend he is acting scummy. | ||
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This whole post of yours is giving me a bad feeling. You call me out for wasting my vote, yet throw your own on a trollread, who is probably not getting lynched. You afraid that our votes will gain traction and your scumbuddy gets lynched? This comment is a mixture of invalidity and childishness.Do you think i am scum? If you do then you should articulate why and push a lynch not try to insinuate that i am mafia so that it looks like you are doing something or so that others will put less trust in me. If you don't then then you shouldn't try to insinuate that i am mafia so that it looks like you are doing something or so that others will put less trust in me. If casualman cannot be lynched then i am switching to Broodking. But casualman has a chance of being lynched. Unlike BM. | ||
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On May 10 2012 17:37 Acrofales wrote: @Zellblade and Carolus: I agree with your sentiment that there are too few people taking this game seriously in any way shape or form. If I am emperor I will use my lynch like a vig shot: if I am completely certain someone is scum, I will lynch (shoot) him/her. Otherwise I will lynch a lurker or someone actively disrupting the game. So far we have quite a few in that second category, so separate call-out to them to start taking this game seriously, regardless of whether I am voted or not: @P-Body: so you have an incredibly irritating posting restriction. Does that REALLY mean you have to write a wall of hexadecimal crap that translates to a continuation of the rolling stones? Or one of many of your other nonsense messages. A posting restriction seems like a major pain in the backside, but the reason it worked for Foolishness, is because he DIDN'T SPAM the thread with useless crap: he posted only when he had something to say (however cryptic he actually had to say it in his limerick form). @Sinani/dog: you're almost as bad as P-Body. Except that your nonsense is actually legible. @TheBard: see Sinani. @Mattchew: cats are cute, we get it. Now start playing the game, instead of criticizing those that are trying. I actually find CompanionCube and Drazerk marginally tolerable compared to the above four. As for my stance on whom to make chancellor, I want a question answered first: must the emperor/empress make a chancellor/archbishop immediately? Or in D1? If it's in D1, I see no rush in saying who I think will make a good chancellor. If it's immediately, I'll make a statement before the voting deadline. Which reminds me: am I correct in assuming voting deadline is 10 PM CET tonight? Well, this suggests that Acrofales has a history of wanting to kill players that troll even in a game for trolling. Which makes one wonder why he is attaking me for wanting to kill trolling players in a game that isn't designed for trolling. On May 10 2012 21:01 Acrofales wrote: This is what I mean with you being completely confusing as both town and scum. You make quite a decent point and then draw completely wrong conclusions from it. 1. Your wall post is decent because it reveals a lot of information about you (not necessarily about the people you are posting about). It's quite a townie thing to do. However, you continuously obfuscate townie moves by posting random stuff. This makes you exceptionally bad as an emperor/empress, as I don't want to be second-guessing you all the time. 2. Changing opinion often is something I am FAR more likely to do as town than scum. Mainly because as scum I already KNOW who is scum and don't need to second-guess myself. I can pick some random townies and start building up bogus cases on them. I don't need to change opinion unless someone "convinces" me. However, as town, I don't know who is scum and who is town and will be far more inclined to try to look at things from both sides and find reasons for actions in either a scum, or a town motivation, without being biased either way. As scum, I can be completely free to nail someone to the cross with a case painting out all the little slips they made during the game. As town, I must always be aware that someone playing scummy might still be a delusional town. 3. Posting all over the place doesn't make you transparent if you do it regardless of alignment. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that by posting a LOT, you give a LOT to analyze. However, the longer a game goes on, the less I enjoy going through giant filters. This suggests that Acrofales is aware of how confusing BM's play is and that he himself finds it confusing. So it beg's the question: How is Acrofales so sure of himself now? Also lol at the undelined bit. His play this game matches his ideal scum play.(But back to that tomorrow) | ||
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If your are town then i am ashamed of you. | ||
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On July 02 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote: Anyway, I'm leaving my vote on him in the hope that the rest of town sees the light. Going to watch the football now and probably won't be back for the deadline. VIVA ESPAÑA!!! throwaway vote | ||
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On July 02 2012 03:24 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and you're selectively quoting from Holy Roman. I stated quite a few times that I had a town read on BM and you know it. + Show Spoiler [town reads on BM from Holy Roman] + On May 10 2012 20:43 Acrofales wrote: Huh? He claimed Carolus, hydra with Sandro... seemed pretty damned obvious to me. @BM: your wall made some sense, but claiming your meta is transparent is not true. You make a bad emperor/empress candidate because your playstyle is haphazard. No offense, but your reads, posts, and actions, are ALL over the place as town, allowing a scum BM to get away easily. My play is highly structured and logical, meaning that unless you think I am another Ace, my play should be an open book. This makes me prone to get shot rather early as town, but that risk is present regardless of whether I am emperor or not (see SSM if you want an example of a completely unimportant Acro to get shot in the face). That said, I kinda like your wall with reads. On May 10 2012 22:32 Acrofales wrote: The reason I want to hold off on Bluelightz is that he (and BM too) always are easy targets for mafia to push a mislynch on. In this game he actually looks less scummy than DFM2 and another game I read (can't remember which), in which he was town. His all-over-the-map voting for emperor/empress seems more like an indecisive townie than scum, which is kinda what I expect from Bluelightz. I will also go for my own reads, rather than Syllo's "feelings". If Syllo has anything more conclusive I'd love to hear it, but as it is I think Bluelightz gets the benefit of the doubt. Also, posting some reads is a good idea. I personally am not confident in any scum reads (also not Jitsu). So will refrain from posting any. The "lynch a random inactive smurf" call is kinda obvious. On May 12 2012 04:49 Acrofales wrote: Part of it is the "it's too fucking stupid to be scum" feeling that is going off in my mind. I can't think of a proper scum motivation for the chat exchange. Granted, I can't think of a proper town motivation for the chat exchange either, but scum tends to be a LOT more careful than town in that sorta thing. A roleclaim is planned and thought through. This does NOT look planned, it looks like a giant DERP. Secondly, BM came to the thread yelling about P-Body bluefishing. After the exchange P-Body posted there can be no doubt that if there was ANYBODY bluefishing in that exchange, it was BM. Why would BM bring that to the thread, if he was SCUM? That is my main reason for thinking BM is town in this. I will believe he has a PR. It may, however, be village idiot. The cop claim seems dodgy, but that is the only dodgy thing in this entire exchange and once again, scum would take one look at the role list and see there are already 2 cops. Why would they plan another cop claim when it is unlikely to be believed. It doesn't look planned, it looks panicked. Truthful or not, it still looks townie. And there's a few more where that came from. The point was that you find his play confusing as both alignments and that your are therefore not a good judge of him. Additionally town reads are right a good 80% of the time through pure chance. So stating 1 correct town read on BM is worth next to nothing when assessing your ability read him. | ||
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##Vote BroodkingEXE It saddens that some of you think that casualman's behaviour is acceptable. | ||
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He keeps jumping into argument's and telling us not to kill him rather than telling us what he thinks about other players. He put more effort into telling us he isn't a noob than he put into his vote. | ||
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