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Hyaach
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Singapore1737 Posts
June 10 2012 17:08 GMT
#14
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Hyaach
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June 11 2012 11:47 GMT
#27
/in again?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
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June 16 2012 18:46 GMT
#131
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 16 2012 19:18 GMT
#150
On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:
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On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment


[image loading]

Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.

    1. Claim your role name
    2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
    3. Claim your win condition


All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time.

Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately.

All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu?


House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).

If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?



In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).


Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party.

Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives?
If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information.

If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.


Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia?

Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum.


How do we know that you are not scum?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 03:45 GMT
#269
Is house chezinu recruitment only on night 0 or throughout the game?

Can house chezinu and its allies communicate through PMs?

On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote:
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On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.

@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).

You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.

Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?


We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released.


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On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro

What is your win condition?

Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?

If so, how?

If not, then why are you asking people to join?

My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not?


My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal.

Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial.



We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this.

I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes.


Reads to me like he needs to keep someone alive to win the game.
Somehow it fits well with DropBear's condition.

What is House Chezinu's stance regarding the Monarch activist and the King
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 06:18 GMT
#283
On June 17 2012 15:01 EchelonTee wrote:
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On June 17 2012 14:37 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 14:13 EchelonTee wrote:
Well I am leaning they are not Anti-Town. Which means Town people need not be concerned with them. People discrediting them look bad to me atm.

It's bad to doubt a group that's withholding information about its purpose, members, and capabilities?

Yeah. Remember in TL LV when people wanted to discredit Toad?


Don't remind me.

We should try to find out as much about House Chezinu on N0 just like Toad in LV but only difference is there is no confirming the alignment of said House.

And about my earlier question. HiroPro?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 15:05 GMT
#318
I cannot see the reason 201 and KB are so eager to ally a faction whose alignment is unknown but until we know more about House Chezinu. Anyone dismissing or allying house Chezinu is suspicious. Town win on information. So making informed decision is the way to win.

Waiting on Hiropro's response.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 15:19 GMT
#321
On June 18 2012 00:17 EchelonTee wrote:
this game was a lot more fun about 8 pages ago, sad I missed out


Or you could get another marvellosity.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 15:20 GMT
#322
Unless its mod-confirm town-town mason circle. You WILL be influenced.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 15:21 GMT
#323
EBWOP You WILL GET influenced by people inside the QT when things starts to gel with your view.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 18:44 GMT
#374
I am of the thinking that scums - SK and Mafia are holding KP to make it seem like there will only be one KP at night so town will only suspect there being one faction.

But who knew, what a good night.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#377
As much as you would like that quote to be what you are twisting it to be. Its not.

It was written during a time where everyone seem to be spamming. I was just adding flavor to my spam.

BTW, 201's post date
On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote:
Wait, it's not day yet.

I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT.

So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound?


My post date.

On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.


Tell me again how you are twisting facts? KharadBanar

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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 07:23 GMT
#470
@KharadBanar.
Your case against me is forced at best.
On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.



On June 17 2012 03:18 FourFace wrote:
House Chezinu drinking game => you drink every time someone mentions House Chezinu


This was the quote i was replying to in my quote

Why have you completely skipped my question?

Why are you twisting the time factor of both you and 201's post and my post.
You and 201 talking about allying with House Chezinu came before my joke post.


@talismania

What you are doing is pro-town. But where is your case? I would like a case from you as well and soon.


Nisani201.

People find it wierd to ally so fast with a house without any information from it?

On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206

Why did you ally with HiroPro?

Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies.


Only people that wants friends are scum/third parties. Towns can credit themselves cred by scum hunting. Scum/third parties are lazy and lack this advantage.

On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game.


Why discredit the existence of a 3rd party be it a group or 1 single individual?

On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju



On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific?



Why are you so interested in the King and the specific set up?
Do they have anything to do with your win-con?

On June 17 2012 10:09 Nisani201 wrote:
What information is revealed upon death?


With 0 KP last night and KB who is buddy-buddying you is in the spotlight.
Are you afraid his death will reveal existence of your 3rd party set up?


I believe 201 is 3rd party with an anti-town win con.

##Vote: Nisani201
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 08:12 GMT
#471
EBWOP

Just to get the time right:

On June 18 2012 04:18 KharadBanar wrote:
SO. I'm back.
-sniped-

Basically, at first he immediately wants to join (this is even before Nisani201's alliance proposal), but then is very unsure about Nisani201 and me are allying to them because "the alignment of the faction is unknown."
If you are concerned about the faction being of unkown alignment, why did you try to join in the first place?


Lie in question.

On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote:
Wait, it's not day yet.

I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT.

So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound?

On June 17 2012 03:18 FourFace wrote:
House Chezinu drinking game => you drink every time someone mentions House Chezinu



On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote:
I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201.

If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future.



On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.



Why the deliberate lie and choice of ignoring the question?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 18:39 GMT
#527
On June 19 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote:
There are some people who are saying that we should be focusing on lynching third parties. This is flat-out wrong and blatantly anti-town. This is what scum want - they want us to lynch third parties during the day and then they can night-kill townies.

Third parties would be neutral in this setup; it doesn't matter how many of them are alive as long as we kill everyone who is anti-town.

Anti-town will have a clear motivation (to focus the lynch on townies or third parties). Third parties will only care about whatever their objective is and their own life.


I think KB and Nisani201 are linked survivors of some kind (if you look at Bastard 1, the survivor roles could win by not only surviving themselves but also having someone else live). This would explain why they are so close together (KB decided to form an alliance with House Chezinu right after Nisani201, while Nisani201 has defended KB in a nonsensical manner) and why the cases they have put forth have been short and never followed up on (they simply don't care who gets lynched). And ultimately I don't see a reason why as scum they would be so open to forming an alliance with House Chezinu.

If someone wants to shoot them, go right ahead. They're clearly not helping town. But I think we should be focusing on other targets for our lynch.


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On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Reflections regarding EchelonTee;

1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE.

He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either.
He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle.
Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo
A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it.


2)
On June 17 2012 22:55 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not feeling KB quite yet, I'd say 201 is a better lynch. Thoughts?


That's pathetic

3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute

On June 17 2012 22:58 EchelonTee wrote:
well, I'm not sending my alignment to anyone as an application or whatever the hell, so if that's the actual way to join, then I'm not joining. If it's a mason circle, I want to be part of it. Simple as that. Call me scum for that if you want, I want more info on this whole she-bang.


ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion.

TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind.

4) projected morale

On June 18 2012 00:17 EchelonTee wrote:
this game was a lot more fun about 8 pages ago, sad I missed out


I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness.

5)
there is no mafia faction lolololo
- which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree.

Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending.

On June 18 2012 03:10 EchelonTee wrote:
if no one claims save, then I guess no mafia faction lolololol

totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p

Maju looks scummy, yah; he looked a lot like that in TL LV. I needa see if he has any older games where he's town.
-His first newbie scum game when he was town, he was more forthright and called people scum and stuff, unlike this game. Not a bad lynch, looks scummy.



6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise.

On June 18 2012 11:29 EchelonTee wrote:
I support either a KB lynch or a Maju lynch. I read one of KB's newbie town game and he actually sounded townie and stuff.

Do people not think Maju is scummy?


Gay, and lazy and careless imo.

##Vote: EchelonTee



This is a good case against ET. ET obviously cares about the lynch as he is comfortable throwing out a list of people he finds weird. But he doesn't pressure these people, he doesn't make any substantiated reads on any of them, he doesn't make cases.

In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think.

He talks about fulfilling his town meta by being accused. He's trying to defend himself without actually saying anything or without going after FourFace.

This is not town play at all, especially for ET. Look at his filter in Magic:The Gathering Mini Mafia. ET is very aggressive early on, extremely keen on pressuring people, and actually provides reasoning when he calls people suspicious. That is not how he has played this game.

##Vote: EchelonTee



ET what says you about Hiro's case.

I agree with his case in that you have thrown out a bunch of names, (kinda of like Drazerk) without providing any solid reasoning behind them.
I mean, you can only conclude so much from a meta read and both of your targets are from meta read. You are not convincing in scum hunting right now.



KH.

Twice you didn't answer why would you deliberately lie about the timing of our post.

I think 201 and KH is third party.

And to anyone who says keeping third party alive is good. Its all relative, their win condition could be with town or against town. Until we find out when one flip, we'll never know.

Right now keeping my vote on 201 until ET responds.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 18:53 GMT
#535
Should have refreshed.

I played TL LV too.
If you read Maju's filter there, its almost the same as what he did here and he turned out scum in that game.

The downside I see to Maju's question this game is his lack of stance on House Chezinu. He asked some legitimate questions but lack on a firm stance.
That and he needs to get in and post soon or did he get pressured into lurking which ET could strongly claim fits Maju's scum meta in LV too.

But ET, meta could only get you so far, while i agree with you on Maju, I have no idea on the metas of the other players here and am lazy to read their previous game.

Bottomline, start finding solid case from post in here.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 18:55 GMT
#539
EBWOP.

I really dislike playing a game with Kenpachi style.
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Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 19:11 GMT
#558
I think Maju really needs to get his ass in here.
Too much similarity to TL LV.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 19:23 GMT
#577
no all i got from his post was "because of his tendency towards disruptive trollishness" and this i agree. I really dislike playing with Kenpachi style.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 19 2012 07:52 GMT
#897
Regarding Dec's power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor ( i learn that in LV)
no more tin foiled hat, although not town town, they are town.

I still think 201 is 3rd party from the way he fish for information in this thread. He also shows no interests in scum hunting in his play and is playing really defensive.
He does not want to be in the spotlight and only pop up to ask questions without making a stance.

On June 19 2012 05:39 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you keep asking me these questions?


Why not you? You were asking about the set up, so from what you can speculate, what do you think the set up should be?

He then replies to talis question in fear of being shot but his reply is also lackluster.


On June 19 2012 06:15 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:11 talismania wrote:
Nisani what do you make of strongandbig?

Just read through his filter. Most of his N0 posts looks like easy-to-make ones, his tunnelling of Drazerk later on looks very forced and I don't like it.


What does I don't like it mean? You suspect him enough but don't want to do anything about it?

He then post here and there without posting anything.
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